Does An Aircraft Swap Qualify As A Schedule Change?

While this question is generally applicable, let me frame it in the context of a specific situation many people are facing. In early January I wrote about American making a bunch of award & upgrade space available to Shanghai, which presented a great opportunity, given that some of American’s routes to Shanghai are operated by 787s with fully flat beds.

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American’s 787 business class

The fare was low enough to encourage me to book such a ticket, so for $715 I booked a ticket between Los Angeles and Shanghai, which I upgraded to business class. That’s a tough value to beat, especially since I’m flying in April, before American switches to a revenue based frequent flyer program.

Quite a few people took advantage of this deal & availability, though not everyone was as lucky. A few days ago, American announced that they’re changing the aircraft flying between Los Angeles and Shanghai as of June 2, 2016. The flight will be operated by a 777-200ER, featuring American’s old angled business class product.

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American’s old 777 business class

So now people who booked a flat bed to Shanghai are stuck with angled seats instead, which is especially frustrating since American flies 787s to Shanghai from Dallas and Chicago.

Gaurav asked today whether American ever allows changes to an award because of equipment changes? It’s a question I’ve received several times over the past few days.

As many of you may know, when there’s a schedule change on your itinerary you can typically make changes or cancel your ticket for free.

Does a plane change qualify as a schedule change? Not really, unfortunately. Unless they swap out the type of plane to the point that your class of service changes (like you booked first class and the plane no longer has a first class cabin), then it doesn’t really qualify as a schedule change.

Furthermore, American doesn’t guarantee seat types, so even though you’re getting a different product, they don’t owe you anything, unfortunately, since they don’t price the products differently.

Those are technically the rules. That being said, in practice I think you might have more luck than that. If you get a good phone agent and explain the situation (“I specifically booked this flight because it had a flat bed”), I suspect you might have luck.

At a minimum they’ll probably let you rebook on another routing with award availability, be it on American or another oneworld airline. But if you get a good agent and they forward the issue to a supervisor/revenue management, I wouldn’t be surprised if they also opened up business class award space on a routing through Dallas or Chicago, which would be operated by a 787.

Again, I wouldn’t count on it, and if you get an agent who refuses, I’d politely thank them for their time and hang up. But with a bit of persistence and explaining the situation, I don’t think it’s an unrealistic request at all.

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American 777-200ER

Bottom line

When you really look at airlines’ contracts of carriage, they don’t guarantee very much, including punctuality, the product you’ll get, etc. A plane change will work a bit differently than a schedule change, but with a sympathetic agent you may very well have luck getting rebooked on a routing on a better plane, in the event of such a change.

Have you had luck getting your routing changed after the product was changed on you?

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Jack W Guest

@chancer - call #1 was truly a "help me" request with no help. Call #2 I figure out what would work and respectfully ask for it (willing to use more miles) - and I am told "yes we could do that but we won't". Call #3 doesn't go anywhere because I have an untrained rep who can't read history (and my exasperation is shown). Call #4 I go straight to a supervisor who has to think about it for a bit (what's transpired, what's right, and what's loyalty mean to a consumer). She actually goes beyond the norm and makes a concession LARGER than what I requested. She's a winner. Did I show attitude? I think when needed.

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Jermyn New Member

Short version: I changed planes yesterday and my new ticket displayed INVOL EQUIP CHANGE. This is something coded for, in AAs systems. Long version: We had our 77W switched to a 772 yesterday. I said to the airport ticket desk agent that we'd happily switch to a later flight on BA. I was told no problem. I figured this sort of thing was best done in person. I could also see the flight was oversold so knew I would be helping them out. I took my generic ticket to the BA desk and paid to upgrade it to F. The clincher was that there were no window seats in J but two available in F :) I started the day with a middle seat in a 7 across row of recliners and ended up with an 8 course tasting menu on an A380.

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Justin Horowitz Gold

I think Guarav should stay with the business class seat despite the change of equipment from 787 to 777-200 . It will still be way better than the main cabin. Not the end of the world. Would you rather fly business class on the 787 or first class on the 777-200 ? Anyone?

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chancer Guest

@ jack w - By "that's the way to do it" do you mean having reps hang up on you multiple times? You got what you wanted after four calls, but if you weren't so quick to demand a supervisor (and reined in some of the attitude) then one of the reps from one of your earlier calls might have been more inclined to help you.

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jack w Guest

OK I used miles for PVG-LAX in biz last week (thanks Lucky!) and discovered this change today from your post. I'm a 1.8MM lifetime member (lifetime Gold meh) so I hoped for a little help as the Mrs. #1 can't stay at an angle for 11 hours and #2 can't fly to Dallas and then be in domestic first class for 3 hours back to Cali. Bad back - surgeries etc it just doesn't work. Call #1 - ask about my alternatives - told "you don't have any - sorry". I ask for supervisor who does offer the PVG-DFW-LAX option in Biz which I say won't work and she again says sorry and hangs up on me. Call #2 - I ask when the change took place and no one can figure it out as the flight number hasn't changed - so the basic answer is "nothing has changed". I say that can't be so - get supervisor. I remember that the old 777s have flagship suites - and say "what about moving to first class? I don't mind the extra miles to keep Mrs. W happy." Answer is sold out my day. I ask about contacting inventory to override it and I am told that isn't allowed. I say I know it's allowed and the answer is yes but "I'm not doing that for you" and she hangs up. Call #3 - I ask first when this took place and agent says she can't tell. I say "you've got to be kidding" and she hangs up on me. Call #4 - ask to go to supervisor immediately. I ask "as a lifetime gold member what can be done - what are my options.?" I am told that she'll waive the reinstatement fees. I say that's basically required by the contract of carriage and after checking for a bit she agrees this would constitute a major change in type of equipment and that I'd be entitled to that anyway. Again I ask is there anything she can do and she says "what do you want?" I say I just want to travel in F on the same day and she says "why didn't you say so?" aargh if you'd read the historical remarks you'd see what I wanted!!! (but I didn't say that). She proceeded to sell me into A class (usually for F class upgrades) and waive the additional miles "AUTH DUE TO PAX IS LIFETIME GOLD AND DUE TO THE SCHEDULE CHANGE. PAX WIFE HAS ISSUES WITH HER BACK AND NEEDS THE LIE FLAT SEATS." That's the way to do it........

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