6 Of The Worst Hotels We’ve Ever Stayed At

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We’ve invented a new game on this road trip, having exhausted our previous car-ride favorite of Airport Code Jumble, and while I don’t have a catchy name quite yet, the theme is “Name Hotels That Were Literally The Worst.”

I’m not quite admitting to the…let’s say eclectic nature…of our Romanian lodging selections as inspiring this retrospective, but will confirm that more than once twice this week one or the other of us has said “C’mon, it’s not the worst place we’ve stayed together.”

Of course, we recognize that we have great lives, and the beauty of miles and points is that we’re able to stay at a generally higher caliber of hotel the majority of the time, so our “worst” hotels have still been mostly clean and safe and otherwise acceptableish.

We’ve still stayed at some pretty poor hotels over the years

Obviously if you’re going to play a game you have to have some basic rules. The parameters?

  • We have to have stayed there together — so while we both had the pleasure of staying at the pre-renovation Concourse LAX, we did so separately, so that doesn’t count
  • The hotel stay itself has to be poor overall — things like the flooding bathrooms at the otherwise lovely Hotel Metropol in Belgrade, or the shuttle situation at the Sheraton Gateway LAX aren’t enough to earn a property a spot in our worst-ever list

So which properties do make the cut? In no particular order:

The Sheraton JFK

It seems fitting to kick off the list with a hotel that is now a homeless shelter. Which is ironic, as some of the club lounge behaviors we observed over the years would absolutely not be tolerated in a shelter environment.

Not to mention the consistently unhelpful staff (other than the shuttle bus drivers, they were great), who once threatened to cancel a reservation a few hours before arrival unless they received a call-back — a tricky ask for guests of an airport hotel who are ostensibly flying in.

The Sheraton Heathrow (Mortuary Edition)

This hotel has since been renovated, but from 2014 to 2015 I think we stayed here a few dozen times (ah, the days of mileage running!), with the property deteriorating further each time.

We’re not masochists; it was at least appropriately priced (usually 42 GBP or less), and at a certain point I guess the comedic value of the funeral-home vibes provided an additional rebate.

The “D” Las Vegas

We were here for a conference, so didn’t do a review, but this is hands-down the worst hotel we’ve ever stayed at, individually or collectively.

The one redeeming feature was a cut-out in the shower glass so you could adjust the water temperature before you got in, but that hardly made up for the atrociously slow elevator, insane amounts of noise from Freemont Street, clouds of smoke permeating the building, or the inability to get morning coffee anywhere other than McDonald’s.

So bad.

The St. Regis Beijing

This gets into the challenges of managing guest expectations, but for an ostensibly luxury hotel in a major city, this hotel was quite disappointing.

The property was generally dirty and poorly maintained, the food was tasteless, and the furniture was so old the springs were poking through the mattresses.

The Sheraton Prague

Where to begin? The dorm-like feel of the place, the elevator that only went down, the charmless location, the tripe in the Club Lounge…

The Hilton Singapore

The highlight of this hotel stay, without question, was that Ben somehow bumped the power switch on his shaver while it was still in his bag, which led to said bag (and the floor, and the art on the walls, and the door connecting our rooms) vibrating intermittently throughout the night in an extremely haunted way.

Which was extra fun given we’d just heard a bunch of ghost stories about the property.

But otherwise the hotel was just big and bland and tired.

Overall

Hopefully it goes without saying that none of this is intended to further name-and-shame these hotels. Many of them have had major upgrades since we were there last, or have gone out of business entirely.

Rather, we thought it would be fun to share a lighthearted look-back at some of the less-aspirational places we’ve stayed, especially as it puts some of our more recent adventures in perspective.

And yes, we’re having a great time in Romanian rush-hour traffic today, why would you ask? 😉

What are some of the worst hotels you’ve “enjoyed”?

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Comments
  1. The now torn down Paris Orly Hilton.

    I checked in at 10 early. The lady behind the counter just looked at me and said, ‘come back at 2’.

    My balcony was full of rubble. It was parts of the concrete from the balcony above that fell down. Plus some trash. It clearly had never been cleaned.

    Service wasn’t bad. Breakfast was nice in the AM. People were nice. But what a dump.

    Second place: Athens Airport Sofitel. The absolute worst mattress and night’s sleep I have ever had.

    This doesn’t count all those horrible little fleabags I stayed at when I was a poor college student or in my early 20’s when I would stay at sketchy places and didn’t care.

  2. Would love a wider series on this as well: we hear a lot about the best hotels, planes, seats etc. but would be interesting to see a ranking of worst flights, hotels etc. of the past year or all time for both of you or just Ben overall

  3. Curious about the ghost stories of Hilton Singapore…although truthfully I was wondering how did this hotel end up on your list?

  4. The absolute worse hotel I’ve ever stayed in was the Sheraton on Cable Beach in Nassau, Bahamas. I was there for a wedding, so I wouldn’t have selected this hotel. It was rundown to an inch of it’s life. Mildew smell throughout the hotel, mold, stained furniture, half ass paint job in the bathroom, depressed casino. The only redeeming factor was the beach, view from the room and the Daiquiri Shack across the street. Otherwise, horrendous and the customer service (this is the Bahama in general) lackluster. I believe the hotel has now changed to a Melia resort.

  5. “the tripe in the Club Lounge…”

    Hope you got to try the tripe soup in Romania!

    Three Sheratons on the list… it seems it’s regional with them? I hear they’re great in APAC, and I had a couple lovely stays in Canada, but I’ve stayed away from them in other places because they always had poorer reviews than similar properties nearby.

    The only property I’ve been disappointed with since my budget travel days ended was a Cat. 1 Marriott property I booked as a pit stop on a road trip last year. The rooms smelled worse than any place I’ve stayed my entire life; but it was so late at night that I couldn’t be bothered to go somewhere else, so I sucked it up, provided some scathing feedback, and took the compensation. I was even nice enough to not leave a review (or give the name here).

  6. Love this. With all the rating inflation on sites like Tripadvisor, its nice to read some properly negative critical reviews of hotels!

  7. Nothing at all wrong with the Hilton Singapore. Clean with comfy beds. Not anything special but not advertised as such. A perfect place to sleep after exploring if you want to be on Orchard Road.

  8. UA put us up in the Days Inn Elk Grove Village after a misconnect at ORD. The place was so gross, run down and creepy (oh, and the front desk was behind plexiglass like at a bank) that I spent part of my night hanging out at a 24 hour White Castle before walking into the La Quinta down the street and spending $60 of my own money. I’d never been so grateful to be in a La Quinta.

  9. The old JFK Sheraton was pretty lousy. I was living in North Jersey at the time and had an early morning flight out of JFK to Hawaii (that I scored on a Delta price glitch on 12/26/13) two round-trip First Class tickets to HNL for $239 total. Anyway, the parking at the hotel was abysmal. The lot had controlled access but the lot was too small to maneuver in. The room was mediocre. The bathroom had weird small double doors rather than one regular sized door. The elevator was the slowest moving one I had been on in many years. Luckily the rate wasn’t too bad.

  10. @Chris – totally agree! We didn’t think it was bad at all. Very helpful staff, walkable to the main sights, great value for points over NYE (7k points for $300 rooms). We’d definitely stay again for the right price!

  11. The Hilton at Oakland Airport (Alaska kindly put us up there…). Don’t think it had been renovated, ever.

  12. I have another Sheraton. The one in Abuja, Nigeria is an absolute dump. Expensive, but completely run down. For a third of their room rate you can check into much better boutique hotels in this city.

  13. I liked The D Las Vegas. They now have an extra coffee bar at the bottom of the elevators, yes, you need to ask for a high room away from fremont St in order to avoid the noise but you’re on Fremont St – what do you expect!

    They have a non smoking tower – you need to request a room in it.

    The rooms are generally good, inexpensive on non conference or event days with good beds and great showers. Excellent staff.

    Don’t forget it’s Vegas – lots of shenanigans everywhere, smoke unfortunately in most places.

    I highly prefer The D to most hotels on the new strip.

  14. Oh the D has free parking for residents too — more than I can say for most hotels on the ‘new’ Strip.

  15. With so many amazing non US branded hotels in Singapore why stay at the Hilton? You definitely got what you paid for.

  16. Great writeup, to say the least!!

    I don’t want to come across one of these landmines!

    Thank you!

  17. I forgot to add one more to my FB comment. Novotel in Canberra Australia. I was commuting their weekly from Melbourne. Lets ignore the fact that the hotel did not remember me or any of colleagues (there were about 20 of us who commuted weekly). One week I arrived at 10pm at night – used condom on the floor. Parliament was sitting so no spare rooms or ant any other hotel (that is really a thing in Australia’s capital). Cleaning staff had gone home so DM came and cleaned it himself. I let it go as the DM took appropriate action. Following week I arrive around 4pm on the Sunday. I am literally in the middle of getting changed when a stranger walks into my room (I forgot the safety lock). Turns out she had been checked into my room and I was checked out. Reception laughed and the DM (a different one) blamed the trainee. I complained to the head of procurement (my company) who complained to the head of Accor Australia. Turns out we were their 2nd biggest corporate client. Fun times.

  18. Having spent significant time in the former Soviet Union over the past 27 years, I find this article amusing. Some of the old soviet hotels would have made most of these look quite fine.
    We stayed in a hotel in Ufa once that had had some bathroom modifications done. As a result, they had raised the bathroom floor about 6 inches. It was a step up at the door. However, they did not raise the toilet, so it was extremely short. If you sat down, it was almost impossible to get up without “rolling” on to hands and knees on the floor.

  19. Hilton Singapore, while a little “dated” but much less so after a recent partial facelift, does not belong on this list at.all. When again did you say you stayed there? Oh, I see, you didn’t say…

  20. OMG I forgot about Russian hotels! And then there is the “widow makers” In South America. So many wonderful choices!

  21. I have to defend my friends the The D. They have done a lot to improve the issues you pointed out. They have largely fixed the elevator issue by cutting through floors and attaching to the side of the tower an additional elevator and adding computerized controls. They also now have a pop up coffee bar on the casino level near the elevators. As for the noise and smoke, it is downtown Vegas on Fremont Street, it comes with the territory. You can request a high floor and non smoking room. All in all, The D is at least better than average for Downtown Las Vegas.

  22. None of your worst experiences come close to some I had many years ago while on active duty in the Army. The absolute worst was a hotel (the name escapes me) outside of the front gate of the Army Post Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. I woke up at 2 in the morning feeling something crawling on my face, switched on the light to see hundreds of roaches scurrying all over the bed and floor. I ran into the bathroom, stripped off my Jamies and they, too, were full of roaches. I then left them on the bathroom floor, deciding to abandon them forever, showered, dressed and packed and went to the front desk (and thankfully hadn’t yet paid) and checked out. I drove to the nearest interstate and checked into a Motel 6 and it felt like the Ritz. I ended up taking all my clothing to a laundry service, getting them washed in hot water, dropping my suitcase into the nearest dumpster and buying a new one at a mall before returning home. It took weeks for me to sleep soundly, even at home, after that nightmare.

    It’s just hard to imagine the level of filth that would produce such an infestation. Today, even if that dump has since been razed in the years that have passed, I’m not sure the roaches wouldn’t still be there.

  23. Similar to your stay at the St Regis Beijing, my stay at the St Regis Hong Kong was the most disappointing stay I have ever had. The staff treated us extremely rude and were not qualified to work at an econolodge then a five star hotel. Had issues with breakfast at the restaurant and staff did not believe that I worked at the company with my corporate rate after giving them my business card since I am young and arrived is sweatpants after I just got off of a 15 hour flight from the US. They even creeped on me via LinkedIn.

  24. I guess you did not intentionally do this (more likely a Google Adsense trick), but I had a good laugh when I saw a McCafe ad under your coffee complaint about D Las Vegas.

  25. The LaQuinta in Merrillville, Indiana. This is not your typical LaQuinta.. it’s an old short motel style hotel. Wallpaper falling off the walls, a bed with cigarette holes, and smelled so bad. I’ll never forget it. It’s the kind of hotel you’d swear snuff films came from.

    Lake Charles Holiday Inn in Louisiana just off I-10. This is one of the last external entry door Holiday Inn’s I’ve seen. This hotel was insane. The alarm clock had rust on the speaker grill from the mildew in the room (I have pictures!). The curtain had duct tape holding it together because the rings were torn. There was hair in the bathroom floor with a used bar of soap in the shower – yet the new bar was there, so you know the maid didn’t want to touch that nasty thing. This hotel is not here anymore.

    The Extended Stay in South center, WA near the airport. Another horribly dirty hotel. A Ziploc baggie was still taped around the smoke detector because the last person had smoked in. The pillows were yellow from sweat that had not been washed off prior.

    Man, I could keep going and this was one of the most enjoyable blog entries in a while. There should be a group map where people can post bad hotels so we can keep lookout for these!!!

  26. Many a Nepalese teahouse on treks all tie for last, but then again at some you have a view that ranks among the best in the world, so does that balance out?

  27. Sofitel Sydney Wentworth has to be one of the most awful properties I’ve stayed in. The whole place is old and dirty, the club lounge looks like it hasn’t been updated since the 70’s, club lounge food is awful, the breakfast food tastes old. The rooms are very tired and in major need of an overhaul. Unfortunately the service is pretty poor too. Definitely does not deserve to wear the Sofitel name. I’ve had better experiences in Mercures and Novotels which sit quite a bit lower than Sofitel.

  28. It was a hotel called the Bashan Hotel in Xiamen, China. Was there on layover with Xiamen Air. The room had no window, the bathroom was disgusting and the breakfast consisted of corn on the cob and hard boiled eggs.

  29. Wow, you really have been spoiled if the Sheraton Prague made your list! Sure, it was a bit weird being split in two, and the elevators were strange, I agree. But the rooms were fine, the breakfast was nice, and the location (Karlovo Namesti) is very convenient – just ignore the strip club next door! It actually used to be one of my preferred hotels in Prague before it changed to a Radisson! It is certainly WAY better than any Sheraton or Hilton that I’ve stayed at in the US.

  30. I stayed at the D a few years back for a bachelor party. The rooms were cheap and typical for an Old Vegas hotel, and the location is close to all the action. It has a great casino downstairs. This is not the type of place one would visit for a relaxing getaway, but in the right mindset, it makes for a great base for a Vegas trip that all your friends can afford.

  31. I’m not the first one here saying this: but there’s nothing remotely wrong with the Singapore Hilton. Did you really stay a night!?

  32. Ouch.

    The word “Sheraton” appears more on this page than any other brand name.

    I wonder how Arne feels about this feedback? Hopefully, we’re more than just “noise around the edges”

  33. Stayed at a place in Key West where the sheets were too scarily dirty to sleep on and the shower floor too filthy to step on without at least wearing flip flops. That’s what happens when you show up without a reservation, not realizing it’s spring break.

  34. OMG Tiffany – you’ve really opened up a whole can of worms here. Have stayed in some pretty horrendous dives in my time but I never like to dwell on the negative side of life and am not going to chronicle all my bad experiences. For anyone looking to get a basic room in some of the most spectacular areas of UK (as well as the cities – London Earl’s Court in a charming Edwardian mansion is especially nice), then YHA is a must.

  35. Hilton Singapore is in an absolute state, and with other luxury properties popping up or reinventing themselves in the wealthy city-state, you’ve got to wonder about the brand’s commitment to themselves. Even the iconic Raffles had to renovate! They’re has-beens, and people just don’t think of Hilton properties in the first and last words of luxury anymore. Maybe it’s time they’re sold off to a Middle Eastern fund or Chinese property investment company?

  36. Fortunately I can’t remember all the details of the many very ‘interesting’ hotels where I have stayed for a meager price . Altogether they would match the stories already presented and even worse. I’m sure my stories would not top the list though. Life is good! Don’t have to stay at the cheapest place any more.

  37. I look at the tripadvisor ratings, and if it has generally good reviews ,I check what it was that was considered bad. I am fussy about noise, bed firmness and cleanliness…if these are not the issues, then it will probably do me fine if the price is right. But most hotels have bad rooms or bad days though, and the reverse is also true.

  38. I was expecting Motel 6 and some from the Wyndham family.

    This is almost 1st world problem.

    Better title should be top hotels way below expectations.

  39. @JODI The Hilton Oakland Airport was good enough for a billionaire – Al Davis, Raiders owner essentially lived there, and actually passed away there a few years ago.

    Count the Four Points LAX fishbowl rooms with the only windows looking directly into the hallway on the low experience list.

  40. I have had several experiences with bad motels and hotels. The most recent bad experience was with the Days Inn in Canton, Michigan. The hotel was nasty, not clean, smelled bad, and there was bugs. Apparently it has now been rebranded a Econolodge which is very appropriate.

    Another bad experience was with the Spokane House Hotel in Spokane, Washington. This hotel used to be one of the better hotels in Spokane with a restaurant that had great views. However, when we stayed there while travel through town at about 10pm and with 4 grumpy children we decided to stop and stay and boy that was a mistake. Our room had a broken smoke alarm, there was blood on the walls that we didn’t see until the next morning because of the poor lighting, there was homeless staying at the hotel who hung out in the lobby. The bathroom was also very dirty which we didn’t notice to the next day. We were so glad to leave that hotel. Since we stayed there it became a Red Lion in 2016 and is now closed.

  41. The D hotel in Vegas gets 4 star on TripAdvisor. Actually, the rooms and the bathrooms look newly reno’d. Overall it doesn’t look bad at all.

  42. I’m guessing you’ve never stayed at the Motel 6 at SeaTac. Or some of the Swiss climbing huts with outdoor facilities, always fun with gale force winds and blowing snow, especially in the middle of the night.

  43. Motel 6 in transition move to one apartment, to another, town. The floors were sticky and dirty. The pillow and blanket smelled like some person’s dirty a**, the maids were nice, but the bums and druggies hunged out on the property overnight.

  44. Hilton Gatwick.

    Lumpy beds, like the one your grand parents died in.

    Dark, dingy worn out room.

    Bathroom falling to pieces.

    Even my seven year old daughter enquired: “daddy why is this bath so disgusting”.

    Toiletries that gave said daughter a rash!

  45. A couple of years ago I stayed at the Hilton Singapore for a month and I thought it was just fine. Room was nice, housekeeping was great, staff was friendly. Didn’t eat there much (I was in Singapore) but the food I did have was better than most Hiltons.

  46. Sheraton Brooklyn…mattresses that are so well worn that they’re in some cases lopsided and horrible insect bites

  47. Berlor Airport Inn in San Jose, Costa Rica. Only stayed there because it was next door to the car rental and had airport shuttle at 5 am. Tiny size windowless room, fragrance sprayer on bathroom wall, that went off every 10 minutes, black mold in shower cabin, the worst microwaved ‘lasagna’ in their ‘Italian Restaurant, Pizzeria and Bar’, pool was empty. Room was a dump, but staff was very friendly. So next time I will stay in the Barcelo again, 25 bucks more, but a difference like night and day, with a breakfast buffet to die for.

  48. I actually agree with Tiffany @Tiffany on Hilton Singapore. It was very bland and boring, indeed. The executive lounge was absolutely beautiful, but the food was very mediocre. I had a better stay at Conrad Singapore. Conrad Singapore had better food and service than Hilton Singapore. Conrad Singapore staff would try their best to make your stay more inspired while Hilton Singapore would not go the extra mile and they just make you feel like you were wasting their time by bothering them. As a Hilton Diamond member, I would not want to stay at Hilton Singapore again. I would choose Conrad Singapore or another hotel. Also, the Conrad Singapore was not that much pricier than Hilton Singapore.

  49. @Stanley — There is nothing in your comment that puts Hilton Singapore on the same list as the hotels pictured in this piece. Your complaints are nearly all subjective (“food is mediocre”, “service not as good as at Conrad Singapore”).

    Well, I stayed at Conrad Singapore once in early 2012 and never returned there, despite having visited Singapore every year — sometimes more than once a year — since then. I have instead stayed at Hilton Singapore, except for once when I stayed at Grand Hyatt Singapore.

    There was nothing specifically wrong with the Conrad. I simply found the location and the establishment itself to be rather boring, uninspiring. The Hilton, on the other hand, and as someone else mentioned, is on Orchard Road, which even has a Wikipedia entry:

    “Orchard Road is a 2.2 kilometre-long major road in the Central Area of Singapore. Often known colloquially as Orchard, the area is a major shopping belt and tourist attraction.”

    Check it out. If you are still unconvinced, I will post pictures of Hilton Singapore, including those of the Exec Lounge with standard food that you characterized as ‘mediocre’, and those of free breakfast either in the Exec Lounge or in the renovated restaurant, which I found to be a better offering than at the Conrad.

    I will be in Singapore again in December, again staying at the Hilton, and will likely be upgraded to an executive suite, as I was in the past.

    G’day.

  50. BTW, @Stanley, you cannot write “[T]he executive lounge was absolutely beautiful,…” about Hilton Singapore — your only objective comment that pictures would bear out — and still include it on the list of “6 *worst* hotels”!

    Q.E.D.

  51. @John Dornoff: Red Lion, where bad hotels go to die. When Hilton acquired Red Lion, they made them all Doubletrees. Then they must have inspected them because about a dozen reverted to Red Lions over the next few months. I believe that Hilton still owns the brand but you’ll never see any acknowledgement of them anywhere and they don’t participate in the loyalty program.

    One of my most memorable nights (but not the worst hotel) was the night before my interview for my first full time job. I stayed at the Red Lion Riverside in Boise. Then the “best” hotel in Boise. Needless to say, it has been a few years. They put me in a room directly above the nightclub, which was hopping until the wee hours of the morning. Both the chair and ottoman were missing wheels. Today I would ask for another room but I was 22 years old at the time… I didn’t get any sleep, but I did get the job!

    Many worse hotels, including a nasty hotel in Philadelphia (I know that doesn’t narrow things down). I think it was a days inn. The bedspread was disguising as was the shower curtain which kept blowing into the shower due to the air pressure. I finally just let the bathroom get wet. Got walked there by the HGI next door as a DIamond. Turns out it had the same owner and they tried to charge me for me stay.

    Just a couple weeks ago, I spent my first and last night at a staybridge. 18K points… not remotely worth it. Nasty hotel, but as others have noted it was late and a quick overnight. I survived.

    Many years ago I stayed at a Ramada in Binghamton New York that was so dirty and smelly I didn’t want to touch anything. That was another city where that was the best game in town.

    And just recently I stayed a doubletree in downtown Atlanta where “boutique” was used as an euphemism for run down. Peeling wallpaper, rust, dirty. That one got me a free night that I used in Dublin, so it worked out.

  52. @Tiffany,

    Do you know that the St.Regis Beijing is the place where Trump and the Brazilian president stayed? Is old but is still used very often where high level of another country stayed at. Not my first recommendation in Beijing though

  53. @DCS: “Hilton Singapore, while a little “dated” but much less so after a recent partial facelift, does not belong on this list at.all.“

    Because yet again, based on these and other comments on this post, DCS can’t allow anyone to have an opinion that differs from his.

  54. There were some truly bad places in NYC like the old Knickerbocker. There was also a quaint place in Beziers France that would have been ok but it smelled like someone had spilt a dozen pickle jars on the carpet.

    In my one year anniversary we stayed at l’auberge which is supposed to be amazing. Our room wasn’t ready until 5pm and when we got into our suite it smelled like vomit and then a maintenance worker entered the room without knocking while my wife was breastfeeding. We ended up in a downgraded room and haven’t returned as the hotel staff couldn’t have cared less.

  55. I am writing this from the Hilton Singapore and, while they don’t seem to know whether they want to be 5 star (the service is) or 4 star (the rooms and especially the tired bathrooms), I am surprised that it would rank as one of your worst hotel experiences.

  56. I thought the Hilton Singapore was great. Location; staff; lounge; gym; breakfast all fabulous. Only issue was the bathroom could do with an update

  57. What criteria are you using to put hotels on “the worst” list? Like many here, I am surprised to see Hilton Singapore on this list. It isn’t the “end all, be all” of hotels by any means, but it isn’t a bad hotel. No, it isn’t the Mandarin Oriental in Kuala Lumpur, but it isn’t horrible either IMO.

  58. I had an interesting experience at a hotel on Lake Ohrid in Macedonia in the year 2000. The hotel looked impressive from the outside, had a grand balcony with great views of the lake, and generally the feel of a grand hotel forgotten in time. After checking in, I went to my room, only to discover that there were no sheets on the bed. I went back to reception and was told that, if I wanted sheets, I would have to bring my own. They did give me two blankets – one to cover the mattress, and another to function as a duvet. My t-shirt became the pillow cover. There were no towels and none to be had at reception. The real clincher came at 3:00 am, however. There was a knock on my door and my traveling companion, an Army colonel, asked if he could sleep in my room. He had been kicked out of his room by the hotel’s security guard who wanted to use his room to entertain his girlfriend. When the colonel objectd, the security guard explained that he always used that room and reception should not have assigned it to a guest. Breakfast was as expected: a large plastic container with approx 400 slices of white bread, and next to that about 4 large platters with about 500 slices of cheese on them. Coffee was a dark brown powder and the water was actually hot. The colonel and I drove back to Camp Able Sentry, laughing all the way.

  59. My worst was the Hilton Reykjavik, insane expensive and the style of a dorm. Extremely unfriendly staff. They didnot believe I am Diamond and I had to show them. Only then they gave me lounge access. Their system said I am Gold and with Gold they would refuse give me lounge access even most hotels do as a courtesy. Even as a Dimanond no upgrade, no late check out, no welcome letter or gift in room just nothing. In the lounge only an absolute minimum of drinks and not any hot food. Extremely small louge.

  60. I’m very surprised to see the Hilton Singapore get trashed in this review.
    “Big, bland and tired” is how I would probably describe Hilton Midtown NYC, but definitely not the Singapore outpost!
    Did someone’s presumed room upgrade or complimentary breakfast not come through? Hence the bad review?

  61. @Michael F — Thank you for that contemporaneous and smart contribution to this discussion, to which anyone with an opinion is FREE to contribute to their heart’s content without waiting to be ALLOWED to do so by anyone. However, just because one has an opinion does not mean it automatically gets the same weight as hard empirical evidence. Yes, one’s opinion *can be wrong*, just like are those that have claimed that Hilton Singapore belongs on a list of ‘6 *worst* hotels’.

    I promised to support my view with pictures, which, as they say, are worth thousands of words. Please see pictures of Hilton Singapore over the years that I just posted on my blog at this link:

    http://bit.ly/36nRC4S

    G’day!

  62. Holiday Inn, Helsinki Airport is a bit of a shocker. The public areas are okay but the rooms are like tiny prison or monastic cells.
    Sheraton Heathrow was pretty rank, but post renovation it’s quite good ( of course room rates have gone from £42 to £100 in the process)
    In terms of an overrated shock/horror experience: The Great Northern , London. Simply awful.
    Le Meridien Damascus was in very sad, almost terminal decline the last time I was there ( 10 years ago);

  63. @DCS I am a Hilton fanatic, but that does not mean that I have to like every Hilton branded hotels. It is not a perfect Hilton brand. It was a comparison between Hilton Singapore and Conrad Singapore. I split up my stays between those two as a diamond member. I felt that Conrad Singapore provided better food in the lounge and more attentive service. Yet, the price was similar as Ben pointed out in his previous review in 2015. Thus, I would choose Conrad Singapore over Hilton Singapore.

  64. Firstly, for those who are comparing to the Conrad in Singapore – it was renovated last year so you might want to check it out again. As for location there are many businesses in that area so perfect for them. It is also close to the MRT (train – cheap, clean an on time), buses (which are great) and taxis are of course cheap. I lived in Singapore for 5 years and would often go out in that area (close to Suntec City). To be fair though, the posters are stating that they are the worst hotels they have stayed in. A bad experience at a 5 star hotel can lead you to never want to go back – despite others loving it.

  65. @Stanley — Different people are turned on my different things so this has little to do with being a Hilton fan.

    My only objection was with your statement that “I actually agree with Tiffany @Tiffany on Hilton Singapore”, which meant that you considered the property to be among the 6 worst where you stayed. As the pictures I just posted show, Hilton Singapore is *not* in the same league as any the other mediocre hotels listed.

    I stayed at the Conrad and was not impressed at all. I am not sure what kind of “service” you require but I frankly found no difference in service between the two properties, and nor was the lounge food offering at the Conrad particularly remarkable. The Conrad’s location in marina bay simply did not do it for me.

    You are free to select the property that suits you, and I gave my reason for choosing the Hilton. I and many have simply challenged the basis for listing it among the “worst” hotels. There is no basis for it. Check out the pictures.

    G’day.

  66. @DCS To clarify, I would say that I can understand why Tiffany wrote that statement and why Lucky would not be back at this hotel since his first and last stay in 2015. People also receive different treatments all the time in the service and hospitality industries. I am glad you and others had a great experience with them and even liking Hilton Singapore more than the Conrad Singapore.

    Good on the photos, but one’s feelings on how one was treated cannot be simply justified based on photos and the different treatments you experienced versus mine. You probably had a smiling associate welcoming you to the executive lounge while mine barely cracked a smile and felt annoyed that she had to check us in. No recognition as a diamond member unlike the Conrad Singapore. Got better amenities and welcome gifts from Conrad and nothing from Hilton even as a Diamond member, etc.

  67. @Stanley — There was no basis for Hilton Singapore to be listed among the worst hotels anywhere. Period.

    In 2015, @Lucky, like all travel bloggers, was infatuated with SPG and/or Hyatt Gold Passport and considered Hilton the pits. In fact, I was made fun of when I identified myself as a Hilton fan (really). Therefore, their basis for listing Hilton Singapore as one of the worst hotels here reflects that long ago bias, and not an informed opinion.

    I have pictures of Grand Hyatt Singapore, where I was upgraded to a suite as lowly Gold Passport “Platinum” just for asking, and could put them up to show that if Hilton Singapore is among the “worst”, so too should Grand Hyatt be because the two properties are quite similar in most respects, including both being somewhat “dated”.

    Everything else you keep complaining about, like how you are “treated” or you status “recognition”, is subjective or relative and thus not valid a basis for making broad generalizations. Anyone can make such claims, which makes them meaningless. Stick with the objective stuff (like pictured breakfast, pictured cleanliness of the venue, pictured amenities that one got, etc…) and you or @Lucky or @Tiffany will have a point. Otherwise, it is just noise.

    Good bye.

  68. @DCS: “Thank you for that contemporaneous and smart contribution to this discussion, to which anyone with an opinion is FREE to contribute to their heart’s content without waiting to be ALLOWED to do so by anyone. However, just because one has an opinion does not mean it automatically gets the same weight as hard empirical evidence.”

    Since DCS has now taken to rebutting my arguments by addressing other people in a pathetic attempt to not address me anymore, I will only note that DCS calling his opinion “hard empirical evidence” that somehow deserves more weight than other people’s opinions only reinforces what is already evident here – that is, DCS cannot allow other people to have opinions that disagree with his.

  69. @DCS: “There was no basis for Hilton Singapore to be listed among the worst hotels anywhere. Period.”

    Other than the basis that they chose it among the worst hotels they’ve stayed at.

    Invalidating other people’s opinions (you know, your usual MO) only makes you look like an asshole.

  70. I knew that this “Worst Hotel in the World” was a little childish and immature but would inevitably generate a huge response and traffic to the site. HOWEVER, it all seems to be getting a bit out of hand and that is not surprising. I have never stayed at Sheraton Singapore but have many bad memories of being bed bug bitten in flop houses in New York. Nevertheless, the fiercest and most determined biting creatures were at the Hotel San Marco in Lucca.

  71. Years ago I stayed at a hotelnin Manhattan (can’t recall the name). I checked on a Sun. evening, went unto “my” room only to discover a woman already had the room and was in the shower! Not a good situation as a guy. I backed out of the room and went back to the front desk to get another room. Listened at the door before going in though. Same hotel the next week, lustened at the door, didn’t hear anuthing so in I go only to see women’s clothes in the room. Back to the front desk and never stayed there again altough this was in May and I was in Manhattan every week for the rest of that year.

    Absolute worse hotel was a Holiday Inn in Springfiled, Il that I checked into late on a Sunday evening. There were cockroaches that I didn’t see until I went tothe bathroom in the middle on the night. I checked out that morning and when they wanted to charge me for the rest of the week. I let them know I was going to get the corporate travel office involved. They decided not to charge me for that night or for the week.

  72. US hotels are generally not too clean – Sheraton Singapore is much superior to anything in the States

  73. I don’t get this article at all.
    I only read the first review about the Sheraton JFK. Looks like a standard uninspiring hotel. Lucky himself says in the bottom line tht he was pleasantly surprised. If that’s one of his worst ever, I’d say good on him but also yawn.

  74. @ AD. Hilton converted the best of the Red Lion Brand to either Hilton’s or Doubletree’s. They sold off the name years ago to West Coast Hotels which then re-introduced the Red Lion name. RLH also owns America’s Best Value Inn, which is the worst I’ve ever stayed in Elko NV. I don’t even know where to start.

  75. @David H. I believe that you’re incorrect that any RLs were converted to Hiltons. But maybe I missed one. I was living in the northwest at the time and every one I saw became a doubletree. Do you know which ones became Hiltons?

    Also, the Red Lions resufaced within six months. It’s possible that they were immediately sold off along with the hotels/management contracts to west coast who then started using the name. But in that case it was a very fast transaction. For example, the red lion on the river and the red lion portland downtown, as well as the one in Kelso and the downtowner in Boise all were flagged doubletree and reflagged red lion within six months.

    Thanks for the info though that West Coast owns them now. Could be that both of us are right, just with a very fast timeline for the whole thing. And, yeah, that’s a nasty portfolio of hotels that RLH owns.

  76. @DCS I sure get it that everyone has different opinions. So, your opinion is that only photos matter and not feelings. So, you only base your hotel locations based on photos? Is that also the same for restaurants as well? You only base it on photos and not the review of critics or the general public? If someone finds a dirty room or gets food poisoning, it should be find because it was purely based on photos and nothing else matters? Not of the opinions or feelings of others. I for one would not choose something purely based on photos. I would take into my account my feelings as well as reviews of others.

  77. My kids like to play this game. Our most recent “worst” experience was a Wyndham in the Monterey area. We walked into the room and a full 1/3 of the furniture (ostensibly for the 6-person occupancy) was missing. I was told all the rooms with the appropriate furniture were booked. I checked. Best offer was a pile of bedding or a daily charge to add a rollaway. Also, the lobby smelled like curry 24/7. Insult to injury, I was charged after checking out for a points stay.

  78. In my comment “DCS says: November 1, 2019 at 7:47 am”, I provided a link to photos of Hilton Singapore to show that it was not a bad a hotel as was claimed. The originally posted photos were, however, rather smallish and did not show details well. Now larger versions of the same pictures can be viewed by scrolling all the way to the ‘gallery’ at the bottom of the post, clicking any photo to view its larger version, and then scrolling forward or backward to view the rest, like a slideshow. Please be sure to look at the ‘panorama’ photo of the exec lounge at breakfast!

    Again, the link is in comment: “DCS says: November 1, 2019 at 7:47 am” up-thread.

    G’day.

  79. @Stanley — You know what they say about opinions: ….everyone has one [I left out the crude part].

    Photos are not perfect, but they are much more objective than claims based on subjective perceptions about how this or that hotel treated you better when it could simply accidental. In fact, unlike in the West, service and treatment of elites in Asia are nearly uniformly good across hotel chains or programs, so I find dubious the claim of getting “better” service at Conrad than Hilton Singapore. To me, the service was indistinguishable. Therefore, that you found service at the Conrad to be significantly better is why claims based one’s “feelings” are meaningless as a basis for making broad generalizations.

    Check out the larger versions of the Hilton SIN photos — among the worst hotels?! Yeah, right.

    I am done here.

  80. @DCS

    Thanks for the photo link. I agree 100%. I’ve stayed at Singapore Hilton several times for overnight layovers since 2012 . There was nothing drastically wrong even before refurbishment (except dated bathrooms). It has convenient location, reasonable rates, polite and friendly staff, impeccably clean rooms and public areas, good dining options (but it’s Singapore, so why dine in, right?). I truly struggle to think why anyone would categorize it as “worst”. Tourists and business executives will also struggle to find reasons to complain here. But I suppose if you are an uber fussy, nit-picking reviewer or millionaire you will always find something to complain about.

  81. @Stanley: “I would take into my account my feelings as well as reviews of others.”

    Since opinions are, by their nature, subjective, the average rational person would. Keep in mind, though, that you are dealing with someone who is so hellbent on defending Hilton, he will move the goalposts and do whatever it takes to ensure that his opinion is the only one that matters.

  82. A couple of years ago I went on a 4.5 month round the world trip. I spent a month in India. Half the time I questioned my sanity and the other half I fell in love with the chaos. While I was on a business class RTW ticket, I tried to keep my spending in check. I found a hotel in the center of Mysore walking distance the the famed Mysore Palace. It had great reviews in Trip Advisor and was reasonably priced. Well, there were blood stains on the sheets. Not wanting to raise a scene at the front desk, I ended up using my hostel sheet and backup pillow case for the first time that trip. At least there were no bedbugs.

  83. Thank you ,thank you so much for this article .Please continue the good work and have no scruples “naming & shaming” dumps because it s hard for travelers to get reliable reviews nowadays.
    And if you check all the above mentioned places on Booking dot com,you ll read that they all provide ” A fabulous Experience” and that 15 people are looking at the same hotels as you are right now so you should hurry up booking your rooms!

  84. @Mike thanks for that statement. I agree with what you said. It was not like I was saying Hilton Singapore was the worst hotel ever. I was simply comparing it to the Conrad Singapore as I stayed at both hotels in the same week @DCS. Yes, I agree that generally hotels in Asia are really good, but one’s feelings should matter in a review because I am sure if anyone had a bad feeling about it, they would not go back. @Mike he sure loves Hilton, so I will give him the due respect for that.

  85. I am not sure what is more entertaining – England V South Africa in the rugby world cup – or this post. Anyway back to the rugby!

  86. I stay away from Sheratons but company had me stay in a Four Points in TN. They lost my reservation than the room was one of those you didn’t want to touch anything. Ended up with itchy red skin!

  87. @Stanley — You cannot “agree with @Tiffany” and then turn around and claim that you were not saying that Hilton Singapore was the worst hotel ever, precisely because that was @Tiffany’s claim that you “agreed” with!!!

    About photos vs. “feelings” as a basis for inference. This is important.
    Note to add credibility to her blogpost @Tiffany tried used *photos* that clearly showed one or other unflattering aspect of each hotel that she wished to highlight. I think that her use of the photos was rather effective. The only exception? Hilton Singapore! We are supposed to infer from a benign photo of the likeness of a ‘Samurai’ that the hotel behind it is among the worst?!!! Of course not. Hilton Singapore was include solely on the basis of lingering “feelings” and that’s the problem…

  88. For me, worst hotel (and I have stayed at over 100 properties in the 2 years prior and since was the. mercure Beijing Peace. Quality of room was not as expected of a Mercure. Yes, staff spoke English but they did not understand it, and the amount I was charged for breaking a plate (which occurred because of the hotels practice and not reasonable WHS procedure was to me extortionate.

  89. @DCS Yes, we all know that you think Hilton is the best in the world. I like Hilton as well, but everyone else here also knows that Hilton hotels vary in degrees and much to your denial, those are played out by one’s feelings. I understand that is a hard concept for you to ever grasp. I respect your opinion like I respect everyone else’s.

    And to my agreement about Tiffany’s statement. You need to read it again.

    Stanley: “ I actually agree with Tiffany @Tiffany on Hilton Singapore. It was very bland and boring, indeed.”
    I agreed with her about it being bland and boring, indeed. I never made a reference about it being the worst or the six worst hotels or whatever.

    No matter how you put it, feelings are very much part of the experience. Unless you are full, half, or part Vulcan, everyone has feelings. People will and can judge something based on their feelings as it is an inherent part of human nature.

    So, if someone got sick from eating at the wonderful Hilton Singapore spread, their feelings about it does not matter unless they take a photo of their puke and post it online? Would their feelings about it not matter in a review or opinion? People will take into consideration other’s opinions hence why people read reviews of others whether it is from the newspapers, magazines, TripAdvisor, OMATT, and so on. Just saying, you know.

  90. Also, @DCS whether or not, Tiffany or anyone else for that matter use photos or not, I would still digest their comments nonetheless and respect their feelings/comments/opinions/reviews. Even if Tiffany submitted a video to this review, it would only give me more insight to what she had o say, but I would still respect her review with or without it. She is one of the best travel writers ever.

  91. @Stanley sez: “@DCS Yes, we all know that you think Hilton is the best in the world.”

    Please spare. From the get go I made myself clear: “Different people are turned on [by] different things so *this has little to do with being a Hilton fan.*”

    It seems that you have bought this garbage: “… you are dealing with someone who is so hellbent on defending Hilton, he will move the goalposts and do whatever it takes to ensure that his opinion is the only one that matters.”

    Do you realize how ludicrous that is? The discussion we’ve been having was Hilton Singapore vs. Conrad Singapore, which, the last time I checked, were both hotel brands in Hilton Worldwide. A Hilton vs. Hilton discussion somehow becomes about how “we all know that you think Hilton is the best in the world” or how about “he’s hellbent on defending Hilton… to ensure that his opinion is the only one that matters.” I am defending Hilton against Hilton, that is quite something, ain’t it?!

    Your “feelings” are proof of nothing and hold no water. Deal in tangibles (photos) or you will lose every argument. I will just leave you with the following comment, among many posted here, so that you would get it through your head that I am not the only person disagreeing with the unjustified listing of Hilton Singapore among the “worst”. I would have reacted the same way if another hotel, like Grand Hyatt Singapore, I am familiar with had been just as unjustifiably listed:
    _______
    Simon says:
    November 1, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    @DCS

    Thanks for the photo link. I agree 100%. I’ve stayed at Singapore Hilton several times for overnight layovers since 2012 . There was nothing drastically wrong even before refurbishment (except dated bathrooms). It has convenient location, reasonable rates, polite and friendly staff, impeccably clean rooms and public areas, good dining options (but it’s Singapore, so why dine in, right?). I truly struggle to think why anyone would categorize it as “worst”. Tourists and business executives will also struggle to find reasons to complain here. But I suppose if you are an uber fussy, nit-picking reviewer or millionaire you will always find something to complain about.
    _____________

    In short, @Simon sez (no pun intended) “get a grip!” and so do I!

    Goodbye.

  92. @DCS: “Do you realize how ludicrous that is? The discussion we’ve been having was Hilton Singapore vs. Conrad Singapore, which, the last time I checked, were both hotel brands in Hilton Worldwide. A Hilton vs. Hilton discussion somehow becomes about how “we all know that you think Hilton is the best in the world” or how about “he’s hellbent on defending Hilton… to ensure that his opinion is the only one that matters.” I am defending Hilton against Hilton, that is quite something, ain’t it?!”

    See my previous comments about DCS moving the goalposts in order to not be wrong about anything.

  93. @Mike @DCS absolutely agree with you Mike. Now, DCS is mixing up the comments on who said what. Quite funny actually.

    DCS also fails to point out the negative comments made about the hotel and fails to adequately address what anyone says.

    He thinks photos are the justification for everything. In that case, OMATT and others need not write any reviews, just post photos. In the real world, photos can also be used for reference only.

    I would trust Tiffany and Lucky on these reviews to make a better judgement on my future travels or credit cards. Yet, I did not base those mainly on photos. In fact, have been thinking about the AMEX green card now purely based on Lucky’s reviews (no photos or videos needed). @DCS I truly mean it. I sure did not need photos to justify that decision at all. Never needed photos to have to believe what Lucky and his team wrote in the reviews, because the meaningful words carry more weight than just photos alone.

  94. @Stanley sez, likely with a straight face: “DCS is mixing up the comments on who said what. Quite funny actually. ”

    Yeah, right… utterly confused and not even realizing it, that’s what funny.

    BTW, perfect alliance there with one who is so obsessed about being recognized and validated by me that he’s been hounding me from forum to forum for at least 2 years now, accusing me *nonstop* of how everything is always about me or how only my opinion matters — the most resilient (read: obsessed) and likely the last of my once-numerous detractors in this space.

    I will never give him the validation or recognition that he so craves, therefore, his obsession with me will continue. You are free to join him…in oblivion, because this is the last time I address you directly.

    Oh, and @Lucky should start doing his hotel or plane cabin reviews without including any pictures because “… meaningful words carry more weight…” and let see how that generally popular feature of the blog fares. Pathetic…

    …G’day.

  95. @DCS, never fear, your detractors on this forum remain and are numerous. We’re just ignoring you. But I’ll stop ignoring you long enough to make sure you don’t believe that you had somehow either won over or run all of us. We’re here, enjoying @Lucky and @Tiffany’s work and ignoring you.

    Most of us can’t be bothered to engage with you anymore because you waste our time. Why you ask? You insist in doing exactly what @stanley and others have described. We try to have intelligent discussions and you turn them into exercises in proving that you are always right. Personally, I will read your comments when you are being skewered by someone more rational than yourself but mostly skip right over them and ignore your diatribes. And that, by the way, is exactly what I’ll do if you try to get me to engage further. So don’t bother.

  96. (◔_◔)

    Oh, brother, out of the woodwork they come. It’s gotta be full moon!

    AD, ey? Funny how monikers sometimes fit perfectly.

    Please keep skipping my posts or crawl back into the woodwork… your pick. Thank you.

  97. @DCS: “BTW, perfect alliance there with one who is so obsessed about being recognized and validated by me that he’s been hounding me from forum to forum for at least 2 years now, accusing me *nonstop* of how everything is always about me or how only my opinion matters — the most resilient (read: obsessed) and likely the last of my once-numerous detractors in this space.“

    The average person is likely to see this for what it is – that is, a pathetic attempt to project one’s own issues into someone else in order to make oneself look like a hero who is to be worshipped. After all, to suggest that someone who responds by calling out a poster’s bullshit by saying that it is done to receive recognition and validation is projection, gaslighting, and delusion of the highest order.

    I’ve said it before, DCS, and I’ll say it again – if you don’t want people calling out your asshole behavior here and elsewhere, don’t act like an asshole when you post. Don’t attack people for having an opinion that is different from yours, or tell them that yours is the only opinion that matters. That is exactly what you did here – by expressing your opinion that objectivity is better than someone else’s subjectivity, you essentially are saying that other people’s opinions don’t matter, because they don’t value the things you value or you think they should value.

    That is what started this whole thing, DCS. It wasn’t you trying to defend one Hilton property against another one. It was you telling Tiffany and others that they had no right to their opinions.

    As usual, you are not a victim here, so grow up, stop acting like everyone is picking on you, and get help for your NPD.

  98. “It was you telling Tiffany and others that they had no right to their opinions.”

    That’s truly sick even for this “entity” that’s pursued me relentless for at least two years and has yet to learn that the obsessive behavior will change nothing. Absolutely nothing. The definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

    Ladies and gentlemen, below is my highly offensive comment that purportedly deprived others of the “right to their opinions” on a open travel-related website on which anyone is *free* to post whatever they wish, subject to moderation by the forum host:
    ________________

    DCS says:
    October 31, 2019 at 2:01 pm

    Hilton Singapore, while a little “dated” but much less so after a recent partial facelift, does not belong on this list at.all. When again did you say you stayed there? Oh, I see, you didn’t say…
    _________________

    See how banal is the comment that for some unhinged reason set off this “entity”?

    I repeat and stand by the following:

    This is someone “…who is so obsessed about being recognized and validated by me that he’s been hounding me from forum to forum for at least 2 years now, accusing me *nonstop* of how everything is always about me or how only my opinion matters — the most resilient (read: obsessed) and likely the last of my once-numerous detractors in this space.

    I will never give him the validation or recognition that he so craves, therefore, his obsession with me will continue.”

    O.C.D

    Q.E.D

  99. @DCS: “See how banal is the comment that for some unhinged reason set off this “entity”?”

    First of all, DCS, for someone who refuses to address me directly, you are spending a lot of time addressing me, so I’m disappointed that, yet again, you couldn’t even get that right.

    Second, your ludicrous insistence that I am somehow obsessed with you and trying to seek your approval is, on its face, ridiculous (because normal people don’t seek approval of others by telling them that their arguments are bullshit and their behavior is juvenile) and little more than you projecting your own issues onto others.

    Third, so that there is proper context for the quote, don’t forget that it is in response to the inclusion of a hotel on the worst hotels at which Tiffany and Ben have ever stayed. Not the list of worst hotels ever, but only those with which they have had direct experience.

    A rational person would look at that and, perhaps, say something like “Wow – my experience there wasn’t so bad. I wouldn’t put the Hilton Singapore on my list, personally.” Instead, we get DCS saying, essentially, that they had no right putting the hotel on the list of the worst at which they stayed.

    What has followed from that is nothing more than DCS doubling down on that and telling anyone who had a less-than-perfect stay there that their opinion really doesn’t matter, because his opinion (i.e. pictures matter more than experiences) holds more weight. In the mind of DCS, anyone who dares criticize him for that is unhinged or obsessed (or stupid, if the comment rules here would allow him to get away with that anymore).

    Additionally, what we get is DCS pretending like he is a victim who wants people to believe that I have been obsessed with him for years because of whatever delusion makes him look important. This has gone on for years because people have called him out for his behavior for years. If he weren’t insulting people, projecting his issues onto others, trying to gaslight people into thinking they’re the problem, and generally acting like an asshole when anyone says something that offends him, then all of this would stop.

    Instead, because he decided that it was perfectly acceptable to tell someone that they had no right to include a hotel in a list of their worst personal experiences, here we are yet again.

  100. I did not read any what is undoubtedly the usual unhinged screed above. Simply don’t have the stomach for it.

    You just got a bit of the attention that you crave from the object of your obsession, and even get to have the last word.

    Goodbye. Back to hounding me and flailing. Le chien aboie la caravane passe…

  101. Someone going to the effort of saying they didn’t read a post, but offering a personal attack against the author of said post, is yet again nothing more than projection and gaslighting.

    Again, DCS, grow up, and next time, keep your word about never addressing me.

  102. I thought the most entertaining part of this preposterous discussion would be the point where DCS tells someone to “get a grip.” But then he goes and accuses someone of writing an unhinged screed.

  103. (◔_◔)
    Oh, brotha! There’s gotta be a nice and bright full moon out there tonight!

    Look, @BrewerSEA or anyone else who suddenly wishes to get in on the act, mindlessly, because you believe that you now have cover to say stupid things and no one would notice, this is the simple of it:

    Look at the pictures (now even clearer) of Hilton Singapore by following the link provided in comment up-thread at:

    — DCS says: November 1, 2019 at 7:47 am

    Then come back here and claim with a straight face that the depicted hotel belongs in the category of “worst”, with the other depicted hotels.

    Remember: the only *proof* that was provided to support the claim that the listed hotels were “worst” were pictures, which, for Hilton Singapore, consisted of the photo of a statue of a ‘Samurai’ in front of the hotel — not even inside.

    You feel smart? Here’s your chance to prove it by assessing the only objective evidence, instead of pontificating mindlessly.

    Take the challenge or stay out!

  104. @ DCS — I appreciate your passion for the topic, however:

    1) Please refrain from insulting other readers on this site; it’s unnecessary, unhelpful, and frankly unwelcome.

    2) For 5 of the 6 properties, I linked to contemporaneous reviews, each with roughly 100 photos. I’m not sure what you think is being proven or disproven by demanding people go look at some other set of photos, how that is somehow more objective, or even why you assume there is anything to be “proven” to begin with.

    3) It’s my list. Other folks will have different opinions and experiences, and that’s totally fine.

  105. I actually think you’re right in this case. I often disagree with your opinions that you invariably insist are empirical fact, as if arranging your opinion as a logical argument somehow disproves any other conclusion. But not here. I also agree with your general thesis that Hilton is undervalued by points bloggers.

    But no matter what you are discussing, you come across as abrasive, combative, obsessive, paranoid, angry. There aren’t people following you around the internet. The same people follow the same blogs and post in the same forums, and your presence is so loud and strange, that of course people comment on it.

    I entered this discussion because of the deep irony of you, who are best known for your unhinged screeds, calling out someone else for that behavior.

    FWIW I think I would probably like you in real life.

  106. Thank you for your beautiful review and much needed to be said comment @Tiffany. I absolutely love OMATT and have respect for you and Ben (Lucky) @Lucky. No matter what DCS said, I appreciated your list as it reminded me me of my past stays and I had gotten a lot of value from this site as well as the great comments from the fellow readers. Once again, if it were not for Lucky, I would not have known first about the new and improved AMEX green card—thanks Lucky and OMATT.

  107. @Tiffany — Happy you chimed.

    1. About “insulting people”, please start reading up and see where the purported “insults” started. Hint: “Invalidating other people’s opinions (you know, your usual MO) only makes you look like an **asshole.**” You did not jump in then and the filters failed to catch it.

    Also, somehow I constantly “invalidate others’ opinions”, but how about mine being invalidated?

    2) Your claim about Hilton Singapore simply did not square with reality, so I provided the best possible objective evidence — photos because ttyhey do not lie! Individual mpressions of a place a subjective. One can person report being “treated” badly or having a”terrible experience”, while another could report the opposite. Photos is what gave credence about the some of the properties on your list in my book, not the subjectivity of it.

    3) I agree with this: “It’s my list. Other folks will have different opinions and experiences, and that’s totally fine”, and that is precisely what we did: we provided different opinions and experiences, what is the problem???!!!

    This one has been beaten to death.

    G’day.

  108. Botched that one with multiple iterations, trying to find a clear (nice) way to say it. Here, it is clean up:

    2) Your claim about Hilton Singapore simply did not square with reality, so I provided the best possible objective evidence — photos because they do not lie! Individual impressions of a place are subjective. One person can report being “treated” badly or having a ”terrible experience”, while another could report the opposite. Photos are what gave credence to some of the properties on your list in my book, not the subjectivity of it.

  109. @BrewerSEA sez: “But no matter what you are discussing, you come across as abrasive, combative, obsessive, paranoid, angry. There aren’t people following you around the internet.”

    There *are* people following me around the internet — here, over at VFTW, at Travel Codex, the 3 places where I post with some regularity — and I pointed one out right up there.

    There is a history behind it, however. As soon as I started commenting here, I landed squarely in the “lion’s den”, when I was ridiculed for having what was the minority opinion and patronizing Hilton in a world where SPG and HGP reigned supreme, and it went downhill from there. I spoke of my many detractors here and, yes, there were many. I was a persona non grata, so I developed the persona that you just described., jumping into it as necessary. I dared to challenge established dogma and that made me a target, except where is SPG or HGP today?

    In any case, I would be amiss if I did not thank you for this: “I actually think you’re right in this case.” 😉

    G’day.

  110. @DCS: “Also, somehow I constantly “invalidate others’ opinions”, but how about mine being invalidated?”

    Yet again, DCS, you are not the victim here, so don’t act like you are.

  111. @DCS: “Q.E.D”

    Again, this is typically used when someone has proven a point. I don’t know what point you think you’ve proven here, other than being completely incapable of responding to my posts like you have repeatedly promised.

    Then again, every time you claim that other people are obsessed with you, it’s little more than projecting your obsession with being right and being admired by everyone.

  112. And somehow DCS thinks that photos are the only way to have a good review? So, as long as the photos are good, the mistreatments or bad experiences are totally invalidated? Sounds like working for an advertising company. Make the photos look good through photoshop even if the hotel is really bad, so according to DCS it must be a really good hotel??? What?? Come again!

  113. So sad to see the deterioration of the St Regis Beijing. I used to love staying there on business trips. Once was quite a stunning hotel…perhaps with a few listening devices in the rooms, but nonetheless a wonderful place to stay.

  114. I have stayed at the Singapore Hilton a couple of times, and will stay there again in a couple of weeks. Yes, it’s a little old, without the wow factor of some other Hiltons in Asia, but absolutely nothing wrong with it.

  115. @DCS: “See what I meant? Same hounding at VFTW… nonstop, 2+ years.”

    Except for the fact that you weren’t even posting over on Gary’s blog for most of that time.

    @BrewerSEA is exactly correct here – the fact that the same people call you out on your inane bullshit on a regular basis has more to do with the fact that those same people happen to read the same blogs as you do, not because they’re obsessed with you.

    Grow up, get over yourself, and stop projecting your neuroses onto others.

  116. @Tiffany — It’s time to let this guy out of here so that he can go out and get some fresh air. The air in travel blogosphere is clearly doing stuff to his grey matter, turning his obsession into something bordering on the malignant.

    He’s been at this now for 2+ years, repeating almost exactly the same thing, and I have no idea what he hopes to accomplish. He seldom addresses any topic. He’s here to tell everyone about that guy, DCS, who won’t let anyone have their opinions. Dozens and dozens of topics are discussed here weekly with various opinions expressed, and that is just fine with him, as long as I am not part of any of it. However, as soon as I post, no matter the subject, he’ll jump in to let everyone know that there is something wrong with my comment. The law of averages says that one cannot be or do wrong all the time. However, with this guy, I can never say or do anything that’s not wrong. So, while constantly accusing me of not ‘allowing’ others to have their opinions, he is totally oblivious to the fact that he is doing exactly the same thing to me and not letting me have my opinions, which is just fine with me, except that he can’t take it when it is done to him. I am never the “victim”; I am invariably the culprit.

    Whenever he’s tried to address a topic, and I have pointed out flaws in his claims or arguments, he would write long dissertations that say absolutely nothing to try to prove that he is right. The last time that happened, other posters he’s now trying to enlist to support his ad populum fallacies had to step in to tell him he was wrong (that seemed to ‘sober’ him up because he suddenly went silent for a good while, until the latest flare-up).

    You (@Tiffany) admonished me yesterday for “insulting” people. However, if you follow the thread (please do), you will notice that I ignored him when he referred to me as an a**hole and even when he continued to disparage me there after. I finally let my ‘aggressive’ persona take over when people I have never addressed before started stepping in because, as I indicated, they felt that the heat of the ‘debate’ gave them cover to say silly stuff and get away with it.

    Now he’s referring to my postings as “inane bullshit” and I guess that is alright because he has convinced everyone that I am the one who insults others all the time. As a rule, I will respond in kind, but with this guy, ignoring him has been the ideal solution. However, his constant disparagement even when I do not respond can get hugely annoying.

    The notion that my comments in this space are “inane bullshit” is what is truly inane. More often than not, I have gotten it “right” and that is part (or even the crux) of the problem. If I am right then someone else, likely with a fragile ego, would be at the losing end of an argument, which they might not take too well, like this guy. His beef with me is that he’s made bogus claims that I have debunked factually, and since then he’s been obsessed with getting me to validate his “opinions”. I have news for him: while everyone is entitled to their opinions, (a) opinions can be wrong and (b) no one is entitled to their facts…unless, of course, they are the now-famous alternative “facts”.

    I am done. The soapbox is anyone’s. Knock yourself out.

    G’day.

  117. “I am done” I really hope you mean it. I may be delusional but, I wish all sides would accept that this is a subjective issue . Nobody will, nobody can win this argument.

  118. Other than pointing out that just about everything that DCS posted is either purely a delusional fantasy or an outright lie, I really don’t think I need to waste everyone’s time (and this space) by giving attention to DCS and his never-ending need for validation.

  119. Ok DCS might not be the nicest guy in the world, but his posts actually make sense and usually backed up by calculations and mathematical facts. For example, most people value Marriott points at 0.7-0.8c and Hilton at 0.5. When taken into account, you earn 2x Marriott bonvoy for normal spend and 3x Hilton, it’s practically the same thing.

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