New X1 Credit Card: Too Good To Be True?

New X1 Credit Card: Too Good To Be True?

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The waitlist has opened for the new X1 Credit Card, which is expected to launch in winter 2020. This card seems like a hybrid between Brex and the Apple Card, and I’m equal parts intrigued and skeptical. I can’t help but think that the card might just be too good to be true, and wonder how it’s sustainable…

Let’s go over some of the card basics…

Earning points with the X1 Card

The X1 Card will offer anywhere from 2-4x points per dollar spent:

  • Earn 2x points on all purchases
  • Earn 3x points on all purchases in a year when you spend at least $15,000 on the card in that year
  • Earn 4x points for 30 days when you refer a friend to the card, and they get the card; there’s no limit to how many people you can refer, and the person referred also earns 4x points for 30 days

There’s no limit to how many points you can earn, and points never expire.

Redeeming points with the X1 Card

It’s great that you can earn 2-4x points per dollar spent with the X1 Card, but how can those points actually be redeemed? Well, they can be redeemed towards purchases with over 100 retailers.

The redemption value varies:

  • At a minimum you can redeem points for one cent each towards purchases with partner retailers
  • In some cases you’ll be able to redeem points for up to two cents each towards purchases
  • We don’t yet know which retailers will get which redemption value

In other words, the card offers the equivalent of 2-8% back, depending on which earnings tier you fall in, and also depending on which retailer you’re redeeming with.

It sounds like when you redeem your points you don’t actually have to book through a portal, or anything, but rather you can offset the cost of a purchase that you’ve already made.

No annual fee & no foreign transaction with X1 Card

The X1 Card will have no annual fee and no foreign transaction fees. There aren’t many rewarding cards that have both no annual fee and no foreign transaction fees, so that’s awesome.

No hard pull & different approach to credit lines with X1 Card

When you apply for the X1 Card there will be a soft pull from your credit report, rather than a hard pull.

Along those lines, there will also be a different process than usual used to determine your credit limit, and you could find that it will be up to 5x higher than with traditional credit cards:

  • Your credit limit will be based on your current and future income
  • To have your limit increased you can link your bank account and provide pay stubs
  • Your credit limit can automatically increase over time

Other X1 Card features

There are some other X1 Card features worth being aware of, which personally don’t make a difference for me one way or another, but others might find them to be interesting:

  • You can create auto-expiring virtual cards that allow you to cancel free trials automatically
  • You can cancel subscription payments with one click
  • You can use an incognito mode to shop anonymously
  • You can receive instant notification of refunds
  • This will be a Visa Signature Card, so that comes with some benefits too

Join the X1 Card waitlist now

While the X1 Card is expected to launch this winter, you can already join the waitlist, which just requires providing your name and email address:

  • The benefit is that if you’re referred you’ll receive 4x points for a period of 30 days
  • I’m amused by this waitlist concept in general, as it’s clearly a way to create hype, though I’m not sure what it means in practice
  • The company claims there are already 160K+ people on the waitlist
  • You’re allowed to advance 100 positions on the waitlist if you share your school and employer info, and you advance 500 positions for each person you refer

It seems like it’s worth getting on the waitlist so you can at least be referred, but otherwise there’s probably no rush. Others are welcome to leave their referral links in the comments section.

My take: potentially amazing, even too good to be true?

Let me start by acknowledging that we’ve seen a countless number of credit card startups that never ever actually came to fruition. In this case there are former PayPal and Twitter executives behind the venture, and it’s also allegedly within months of launching. That being said, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Based on what’s being advertised, this card sounds incredible, at least for those spending $15,000+ per year in categories where they wouldn’t otherwise receive a bonus. The card has no annual fee, no foreign transaction fees, and offers 3x points when you spend at least $15,000 per year, and 4x points for periods where you refer someone. Those points can be redeemed with all kinds of retailers, for a value of one to two cents per point.

Obviously cash in your pocket is better than money to spend with retailers, but I’d certainly take 4%+ with a retailer I spend money with over 2% cash back on another card.

For example, I pay my taxes by credit card, and if I could get 4%+ worth of rewards with a retailer for a fee of under 2%, I’d take it.

I will say that for those who don’t spend at least $15,000+ per year, the Citi Double Cash® Card (review) would be my preference long-term, as you earn 1% cash back when you make a purchase, and another 1% cash back when you pay for that purchase (in the form of ThankYou points). Cash in your pocket is better than points to spend with retailers.

What am I missing about the business model?

You know the saying — “if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” Generally speaking credit card issuers make money primarily in three ways:

  • Merchant fees
  • Annual fees
  • Financing charges

Historically we’ve seen credit card issuers offer at most 2% of value (give or take) to consumers without an annual fee and without a significant investment requirement. Obviously some cards have offered bonus categories that have given consumers disproportionate value, but the hope is that this is balanced with spending in non-bonused categories.

But what exactly is X1 Card’s business model here?

  • Is the company somehow getting significant discounts when consumers redeem points with retailers? I can’t imagine Apple and Delta are giving the X1 Card significant discounts when you redeem your points there.
  • Is the X1 Card hoping that its client base is much more likely to finance charges?
  • Since it’s tech people behind the card, is this a “build market share at a loss and hope to be acquired” play?
  • Is this an introductory offer, and then eventually the value proposition will get much worse?
  • Is the primary goal here to just get a lot of data on cardmembers, and leverage that to make money?

I just don’t see where the margins are here, though I’d love if someone could help me understand what I’m missing…

Bottom line

The waitlist is open for the X1 Credit Card, and it should launch this winter. This card sounds extremely intriguing. You’ll be able to earn up to 4x points per dollar spent, and each point can be redeemed for one to two cents towards purchases with a variety of retailers.

On top of that, the card has no annual fee, no foreign transaction fees, and some other innovative features. In many ways the card sounds too good to be true.

You might as well add your name to the waitlist so you’ll earn 4x points for 30 days. In the meantime I’m anxiously awaiting the card’s launch, so we can learn all the details…

What do you make of the concept of the X1 Card?

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    ...

    I am honestly not sure if I see the value in this. Maybe is a a card for the band conscious. Basically you get 2x-3x back (depending on your spend) that you can redeem for gift cards at major brands (or at least the that is what the redemption image shows). The problem is if you buy tangible goods you can almost always get a better price by not buying through the Brand directly.

    3 cents back (if you spend $15,000) is a decent value, but I think I would still get more value putting my money on the chase Trio of cards and getting ultimate rewards points.

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    This approach to what's called cashflow underwriting was first pioneered by Petal Card, though Brex was what made it famous on the business side. As noted above, it's had some success with getting a new class of consumers into the credit system, though the target consumer is...

    It seems like they're following a fairly straightforward playbook for subprime cashflow underwriting cards ... and just not fully understanding the gaming possible with their rewards program.

    This approach to what's called cashflow underwriting was first pioneered by Petal Card, though Brex was what made it famous on the business side. As noted above, it's had some success with getting a new class of consumers into the credit system, though the target consumer is more subprime than for the average rewards card.

    The rewards program does make sense when you consider it through the lens of the expected behavior of their average consumer. In particular, note that the card is normally a 2% cashback card, with an upgrade to 3% only available after $15,000 in spend. Given that normal consumers spend ~20% of their gross income on their credit card and targeting moderate-income americans, with this program their average customer will earn little or nothing at the 3% rate. Similarly, 30 days of an extra 2% back compares favorably to the $100-$300 bounties big credit card banks are paying for customers. Since total interchange for a Visa Signature Select runs ~2.3% + 10c per transaction, they end up with a respectable margin here.

    Of course, this does not account for MSers with their $500 Wallgreens purchases or million dollar tax (over)payments....

    On the redemptions/partners side, they're probably partnering with one of the big partnership aggregators to offer those deals (the same way the shopping portals work). You can also take a look at point.app (a debit card) for another company taking the same approach.

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    Given the strong and exclusive partnership AmEx and Delta have for SkyMiles cards in the USA, I suspect that the partnership here is not about SkyMiles and they aren't a transfer partner per se. Instead, I'm thinking it's somehow through their gift card office that's been willing to offer modest but useful discounts to select merchant partners like the 10% off Delta GCs sale that Costco had around Thanksgiving last year. (I'm sitting on a decent amount in discounted Delta GCs at this point from another online shopping portal rebate site but need to burn credits from flights cancelled this year first)

  66. mojo New Member

    @Kalboz,

    "transfer partners", or simply redeem at $0.01 cpp?

    If it turns out to be a proper points-transfer, than this is a great deal (for transfer to Alaska/Delta).

    If it is merely a 1 point = $.01c redemption for Alaska, then it's pretty meh.

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  78. Reaper Guest

    The business model isn't that mysterious. The restricted points you're earning are good at a limited number of vendors that have negotiated discounts/wholesale rates. Of course, given those restrictions you can earn more than the ~2% that cash back cards provide.

    If those vendors work for you though, it sounds like a great deal if it lasts.

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  96. Robin Guest

    Ben,

    I’m quite sure that retailers are footing a large share of the discount, with that amount still being less than your average cost per acquisition. That would explain the business model.

    Interesting concept, to be sure.

    1. Ben OMAAT

      @ Robin -- I would agree if the retailers were brands that frequently discount, but you think Apple and Delta would be providing meaningful discounts to a competing credit card product? I highly, highly doubt it...

      I definitely think we may see close to two cent redemptions for brands that often discount, but I just don't see most of these brands offering much to X1 in exchange, and I don't think it's a core part of the business model. I could be wrong, though...

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  100. Adam3484 Member

    Another potential way they could make money: sell your personal information. Your employment, school, phone, address, income, etc is very valuable information for many businesses, such as insurance salesman and all.

  101. Josh Guest

    @bigbellyronpaul is right, with the added nuance that this company is probably betting that they’ll be able to make much better use of personal data than many issuers currently do (given the tech executives behind this card), and then monetize the hell out of that data. Big data, when used properly, is a goldmine (and is notoriously underutilized by traditional financial firms). There’s a huge untapped/undertapped revenue stream here, which allows this company to enrich...

    @bigbellyronpaul is right, with the added nuance that this company is probably betting that they’ll be able to make much better use of personal data than many issuers currently do (given the tech executives behind this card), and then monetize the hell out of that data. Big data, when used properly, is a goldmine (and is notoriously underutilized by traditional financial firms). There’s a huge untapped/undertapped revenue stream here, which allows this company to enrich the consumer value prop. The trade-off (if you want to call if that) is that you’ll probably have to (get to?) experience laser targeting like what you experience in the digital space today. It might end up feeling a bit “big brothery” to some users.

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    Ben,
    It look very good to be true especially no hard pull.
    However, do you know which financial institution is the issuer?

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  111. MH New Member

    Here’s my referral code: https://x1creditcard.com/r/SKF5QpU

    Interesting concept. Essentially a Brex-like competitor for the consumer market but with a rewards structure that presumably allows X1 to offer discounts that are absorbed by retailers.

  112. Lou New Member

    Referral link: x1creditcard.com/r/x8eElFy

    Thanks if you use it.

  113. bigbellyronpaul Guest

    Hi Lucky,

    They don't have to make money for years to come as long as they can show exponential growth. This is typically Silicon Valley to tech start up model. They may eventually achieve profitability when they have large user base so they could negotiate better deal with those retailers. Uber is not making money. Even Snowflake is not making money. As long as they can show growth and sell the dream to get funding, it can last for years.

  114. Karlis Guest

    referral link: https://x1creditcard.com/r/AWZu8sp

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