Why hanging up and calling back doesn’t always work…

I received a reader email yesterday from someone trying to ticket an award reservation with American from Los Angeles to New York to Hong Kong to Bangkok, which should cost 67,500 miles in first class. However, an agent insisted this would require two award tickets (one from Los Angeles to New York and one from New York to Bangkok), and the supervisor that the issue was escalated to agreed. Calling back yielded the same result… twice.

First of all, I should clarify that this routing is allowed. As discussed here, American lets you exceed the maximum permitted mileage (MPM) for a city pair by 25%. Cathay Pacific’s maximum permitted mileage plus 25% for Los Angeles to Bangkok is 12,383 miles, while Los Angeles to New York to Hong Kong to Bangkok is 11,596 miles.

So the routing checks out fine. The fact is that not all agents know the rules, and even not all supervisors are familiar with the rules. So the person placed the ticket on hold, which was more or less his death sentence in this case. While we like to play the “hang up and call again” game, this only works well when you don’t have a reservation yet.

Nowadays agents almost always add notes to the record of a reservation every single time you call, so every agent that subsequently sees the reservation will see those notes. So in the case of this person, the first supervisor probably notated the record saying something along the lines of “passenger informed routing not legal and must use two awards.”

And call it peer pressure or something else, but once a record is notated it’s almost impossible to get a subsequent agent to overrule that, regardless of how wrong they are. Despite having booked hundreds and hundreds of award tickets, I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve convinced an agent to overrule something that was previously notated in the record.

So what do you do in this case? Unfortunately the only real option is to cancel the hold on the reservation and start from scratch with a “clean” record. Hopefully the award space goes back into inventory, though it’s no guarantee.

Call back and hopefully you’ll have better luck with the next agent. And also keep in mind that a reservation isn’t confirmed until it’s ticketed. So just because you’re able to place a ticket on hold doesn’t mean they can’t change the cost or claim it’s not legal when you call back to ticket. So for “complicated” award tickets I always suggest ticketing right away to avoid a clueless agent you may get on a subsequent phone call.

Lastly, anecdotally I should note that I find American, British Airways, and United agents to most frequently notate records, while Delta and US Airways agents don’t do so quite as often (though still do sometimes).

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Jullan Guest

It happened several times that booking over the phone would end up ruining our itinerary. This is the same reason why I’m thankful that booking flights online are available anytime. This way, we manage our own time, decide the interval for each flight and we get to reserve the seat we want!

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lucky OMAAT

@ PedroNY -- They don't need to. The rule is that the overwater carrier publishes a fare between the origin and destination, which Cathay Pacific does in this case (between Los Angeles and Bangkok).

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PedroNY Guest

Does Cathay have a Los Angeles to JFK routing code share with AA? I always thought that even if 25% is allowed, you still need to have that partner on that route to technically have a single award flight on that route, otherwise they have to break up the ticket into two segments.

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snic Diamond

Amazing that the fact that the world is round causes so much confusion. On one hand, a generous MPM policy makes sense because the alternative would be too restrictive: for instance, requiring award flights to always be on the most direct routing would prevent people from ticketing perfectly reasonable flights, such as Lucky's example of NY to London to Abu Dhabi. On the other hand, with a generous enough MPM policy, there are cases where you can end up with an extremely convoluted itinerary that will cost the airline significantly more than a more direct routing. So the airlines come up with these hybrid policies that just leave everyone confused. From their point of view, this is probably fine because it discourages the behavior they don't want (complex itineraries close to MPM) while still permitting "reasonable" itineraries that aren't the most direct (NY-London-Abu Dhabi). It's presumably only a small number of cases where the customer thinks a routing is reasonable but a significant number of agents don't. So, by being intentionally vague and confusing, they irritate only a few customers while still protecting their bottom line.

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hobo13 Guest

Gary speaks truth. As always.

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