Ridiculous: Southwest Shames Passenger For Not Being Large Enough To Book A Second Seat

Most airlines have a procedure in place for passengers of size (those who can’t comfortably fit in one seat). The policy varies by airline, though virtually all airlines encourage such passengers to book an extra seat to be sure they’re comfortable. What differs by airline is:

  • Whether you can earn points for the second seat
  • How expensive the second seat is
  • What the process is for booking the second seat
  • What happens if you don’t book a second seat but don’t comfortably fit in one seat

If you want more details, CheapAir.com has a good rundown of how the policies of different airlines vary.

Regardless, you’d think airlines would be happy when passengers are proactive in booking two seats so that everyone is as comfortable as possible. Reader Andy emailed me to share an experience he had booking a second seat on Southwest, which just leaves me floored. Here’s the email he sent me (it’s fairly long, but I don’t think I can do justice to this without sharing the whole thing):

Thought I’d share a very interesting story about a bizarre Southwest experience I had traveling this past week from Las Vegas to Houston Hobby. I don’t recall seeing much blog traffic on this particular topic so I figured I’d share the story as I was pretty flabbergasted as to how this played out.

I’m a bigger size passenger (not your standard passenger of size but at 6’2″, 250lbs it’s not hard for me to be uncomfortable on a flight), and I typically go out of my way to avoid discount airlines or coach seats for longer flights. Of course not always the case, but more often than not I’ll pay for a first class seat if I can’t get an upgrade.

I had to take a Southwest flight from Vegas to Houston and concerned about the flight length I decided to call the airline and inquire as to purchasing a second seat. The agent was helpful and accommodated me, and my reservation was made. I paid about $690 for my first seat in business select and the second seat cost a little under $200.

When I got to the Vegas airport and went to check in, I had to see an agent. I went to the counter and the woman greeted me, asked about my issue checking in, and when she noticed my second seat booking she stepped out from behind the counter, looked me up and down, and said she needed a supervisor.

Her supervisor came over, looked at the computer, and informed me that I wasn’t “big enough” to qualify. I explained to him that I reviewed their policy, which was vague and only defined the policy as the boundaries of the armrest, and he informed me he had the discretion to refuse my ticket. I offered to sit in a seat and demonstrate my concerns but he told me he would be canceling my seat and I could fly with one or not at all. I asked the agent what gave him the right to deem me “not fat enough,” and he said his “20 years of experience.” He even went so far as to point to another much larger passenger to show me what he viewed as a true passenger of size.

After the flight, I contacted Southwest and informed them of both the humiliation of having two different agents judge me and reject my seat, but also the inconsistency of their policy and the discretionary enforcement. As I explained to the customer service agent, shouldn’t the airline be appreciative of customers willing to pay for two seats to avoid discomfort for themselves and others?

Southwest has been pretty apologetic but this issue apparently got elevated to senior leadership. I was given a lousy $100 apology voucher and a refund on the second seat I purchased, and I was told the issue is being “reviewed in the monthly executive meeting given the sensitivity”.

My gut tells me they did something very wrong here, based on the quick elevation.

This may be an interesting case for the blog. Of course it’s a sensitive topic for me, but I can’t help but think Southwest should revisit their policy and maybe find a less humiliating, discreet way to “enforce” it? Shouldn’t a customer be able to pay for two full seats if they’re concerned about comfort? Isn’t this better for the airline; they get the revenue for the seat without the additional fuel burn or snack consumption, too.

I’m sort of in shock here. While Andy might not be a “traditional” passenger of size, I think he did the right thing by looking after not only his own comfort, but the comfort of those around him. With airline seats constantly shrinking, one really has to wonder how small you have to be to fit “comfortably” into economy seats nowadays. So for a Southwest employee to judge him in this way seems ridiculous.

I had a look at Southwest’s policy on this, and it sure is vague:

What is Southwest Airlines’ policy for Customers of size?

Customers who encroach upon any part of the neighboring seat(s) may proactively purchase the needed number of seats prior to travel in order to ensure the additional seat(s) is available. The armrest is considered to be the definitive boundary between seats; width between the armrests measures 17 inches. The purchase of additional seats serves as a notification to Southwest of a special seating need, and allows us to adequately plan for the number of seats that will be occupied on the aircraft.  In turn, this helps to ensure we can accommodate all Customers on the flight/aircraft for which they purchased a ticket and avoid asking Customers to relinquish their seats for an unplanned accommodation. Most importantly, it ensures that all Customers onboard have access to safe and comfortable seating. You may contact us for a refund of the cost of additional seating after travel.  Customers of size who prefer not to purchase an additional seat in advance have the option of purchasing just one seat and then discussing their seating needs with the Customer Service Agent at their departure gate. If it is determined that a second (or third) seat is needed, they will be accommodated with a complimentary additional seat.

How do I know if I need a second seat?

The armrest is the definitive gauge for a Customer of size. It serves as the boundary between seats; the width between armrests measures 17 inches.  Customers who are unable to lower both armrests and/or who encroach upon any portion of the adjacent seat may proactively book the number of seats needed prior to travel or receive a complimentary additional seat.

The rules suggest that if a customer encroaches on any part of the neighboring seat they may proactively purchase an additional seat. This is vague on many levels, and especially in this case it seems crazy to tell a passenger (who paid extra for a second seat) that they won’t encroach on another’s seat in any way.

Southwest was way out of line with this, in my opinion. If they’re not going to have a clear policy, it can’t be up to individual customer service agents to decide who is large enough to pay for an extra seat.

Really I don’t get why airlines don’t let people buy extra seats across the board. You’d think they’d love to have people paying for extra seats. Their rebuttal would be that inventory management is complicated, it would cause low fares to sell out faster, skew airfare, etc.

However, it sure seems like the current system is a bit broken.

What do you make of this situation? Should individual customer service agents be deciding who isn’t big enough to purchase an extra seat?

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frequent flyer Guest

My apology Wayne- mea culpa- your wife is mobility impaired, not pregnant. Exit row rule still applies.

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frequent flyer Guest

Why not just fly Business or First on another carrier? Is it because it is still cheaper to buy three Coach seats on SW than two Business or Coach on a different domestic carrier? At your height I would think you want the extra legroom. A pregnant wife is not eligible for the exit row, and Economy Plus seats are not wide enough but they do have legroom.

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Wayne Guest

I’m 6’5” weighing in at 280 and generally travel with my wife who has a mobility handicap. Under these circumstances we generally fly 1st class for comfort. However when we fly Southwest I’ll purchase 3seats. Unfortunately southwest will book the fare , but when time comes to fly we will be given a hard time and stewards will try to fill the empty seat! It’s has happened at least 4 times to us. I don’t get it?

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CPCustomer Guest

Funny, I just had the same thing happen to me. Obviously, nothing has changed for them policy-wise. I have flown Southwest exclusively for all my business and personal travel since I learned of this policy 3-4 years ago. Before that, I would fly first class on another airline. My size has always induced anxiety related to flying, as I do not want to encroach on anyone's space, or make anyone else uncomfortable. Let me be clear. I am classified as morbidly obese according to the BMI charts. I don't need a seatbelt extender, but struggle sometimes to get it latched. My hips/thighs most definitely encroach on the seat next to me, although I can lower the armrest. For my most recent trip, I booked my ticket and an extra seat (at a cost of $425), as per usual. When I approached check-in at my airport, the customer service person called over a supervisor, who began questioning why I needed an extra seat. They then both looked me up and down and told me that they didn't see that I "required" an extra seat and that I might not receive a refund. This "look-over" and subsequent attitude let me to reach out to customer service before I even went through security. This experience was humiliating for me, and I was appalled at the lack of sensitivity shown toward a good customer who was just trying to do the right thing per Southwest's policy. The next day, I received the following email from Southwest: "Thank you for contacting us. We appreciate the loyalty you’ve shown us as a Rapid Rewards Member and as a current Companion Pass Customer. I welcome the opportunity to address your concern. I regret your disappointment with your interaction with our XXX Customer Service Supervisor (CSS) regarding our Customer of size policy. As you know, Customers who encroach upon any part of the neighboring seat(s) may proactively purchase the needed number of seats prior to travel in order to ensure the additional seat(s) is available. For future reference, please know that the armrest is considered to be the definitive boundary between seats; the width between the armrests measures 17 inches. As such, if a Customer fits comfortably in the seats and does not encroach on other Customers, our Customer of size policy will not apply, and we do not allow Customers to purchase an additional seat solely for the extra room. We have given our Agents guidelines for helping them assess if a Customer is in need of a second seat, and we strive to maintain consistency in our application of this policy. Additionally, we expect our Employees to discuss this policy in a polite and discreet manner. With that said, although the information available to me indicates that our CSS did not feel you met the requirements for our Customer of Size policy, we have honored your request for a refund, and a $423.20 credit will be posted within the next 30 days. Please know that we have tracked your feedback via our monthly summary, which is distributed to our Senior Leadership It truly saddens us that you are questioning your future patronage of Southwest Airlines. We would love to see you onboard again soon." What Southwest fails to understand is that this policy has brought them business. I can fly any airline I want to, and am a frequent enough customer to have earned a companion pass. It is because of this policy that I have taken less-convenient flights, or driven from a Southwest city to reach my final destination, all because of the ability to proactively purchase a second seat. I have prepaid thousands of dollars in seat costs to have them refunded after travel - some of these trips have been booked several months out. They also don't understand that this has very little to do with money and refunds. The tone in the email response seems to think it was about getting my money refunded. It's not. It's about being able to have a second seat in order to have a comfortable trip for me and for other passengers. Because I simply could not believe the way this all went down, I took several pictures on my return trip, which I plan to send to them today. There is no doubt that I encroach on the middle seat from every angle, and anyone who sat there would have an uncomfortable flight. I also am very interested to know about these guidelines they have provided to agents, as they either need amended to someone wasn't following them.

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frequent flyer Guest

Colleen- I am a customer of size who always purchases a second seat, and the flight attendants appreciate it. I wish more large people in denial would get the second seat, and the man you mentioned should have been compelled to get a second seat. Sometimes when I watch the people boarding during regular boarding I am in disbelief at the size of some of them and wonder how in the world they think they can fit. Rainy- I think you have to take the flight attendant's remarks in the context of the incident. People were making rude, obnoxious remarks out of resentment so she had to let them know that you paid for your extra seat due to the policy for customers of size. I don't think she meant it as a blanket statement for all passengers. It was a heat of the moment situation where she was defending you and also shutting them up at the same time.

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