World Of Hyatt’s 2022 Hotel Category Changes (Book Now)

World Of Hyatt’s 2022 Hotel Category Changes (Book Now)

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Update: This is a reminder that World of Hyatt category changes kick in as of March 22, 2022, so this is your last chance to book at the old rates. It may make sense to lock in some award stays today. You can find the original post from February 14 below.

World of Hyatt has revealed hotel category adjustments for 2022, impacting which hotels are in which categories (and in turn impacting how many points are required for free night redemptions). These changes are terrible for those who like aspirational redemptions, so brace yourself.

146 Hyatt hotels changing categories on March 22

World of Hyatt’s 2022 hotel category changes will be kicking in for bookings made as of 8AM CDT on Tuesday, March 22, 2022.

As of that date, 146 hotels will be changing categories, with 70 hotels shifting to a higher category and 76 hotels shifting to a lower category. All hotels will be going up or down at most one category, except the Hyatt Place Moab, which is going up two categories. You can find a full list of hotels changing categories here.

Alila Marea Encinitas will become a Category 7 World of Hyatt property

In terms of booking logistics:

  • All reservations made prior to March 22 will follow the current award chart, even if you stay on a subsequent date
  • Members who have stays booked at hotels that go down a category will receive an automatic one-time refund of the points difference; these points will be returned starting March 23
  • Any adjustments made to bookings after the changes go into effect will follow the new pricing

As a reminder, below is the standard World of Hyatt award chart (this reflects peak and off-peak pricing, which kicks in for stays as of March 1, 2022).

World of Hyatt Category
Off-Peak
Standard
Peak
Category 1
3,500
5,000
6,500
Category 2
6,500
8,000
9,500
Category 3
9,000
12,000
15,000
Category 4
12,000
15,000
18,000
Category 5
17,000
20,000
23,000
Category 6
21,000
25,000
29,000
Category 7
25,000
30,000
35,000
Category 8
35,000
40,000
45,000
World of Hyatt New Peak & Off-Peak Pricing

Ugh: Hyatt properties move to Category 8

On the surface these changes might not sound so bad, since more hotels are moving down in category than up in category. However, in general you can expect that the properties that are most popular and most redeemed at are also the ones that go up in price.

There’s one especially bad development here, which is much worse than the category changes we’ve seen in previous years. Historically Hyatt properties have maxed out at Category 7, with Category 8 being reserved for Small Luxury Hotels of the World properties. That’s because those hotels aren’t managed by Hyatt, but rather it’s just a marketing partnership, so the economics of redemptions are different.

That will finally be changing. As of March 22, 2022, the following nine Hyatt properties will move to Category 8:

  • Alila Napa Valley
  • Alila Ventana Big Sur
  • Andaz Maui at Wailea
  • Park Hyatt Kyoto
  • Park Hyatt Milan
  • Park Hyatt New York
  • Park Hyatt Niseko
  • Park Hyatt Paris
  • Park Hyatt Sydney

Make no mistake, this is a massive devaluation. Prior to these changes (including the introduction of peak pricing), the most the above hotels would cost you was 30,000 World of Hyatt points per night. Not only are these hotels moving to Category 8, but peak award pricing is being introduced for stays as of March as well. That means as of late March, these hotels could cost you up to 45,000 points per night, which represents a cost increase of up to 50%.

Andaz Maui will become a Category 8 World of Hyatt property

The economics of World of Hyatt awards

If you want to make sense of these changes, it’s worth understanding how the economics of hotel loyalty programs work. Keep in mind that most Hyatt hotels are independently owned, so Hyatt’s loyalty program has to compensate individual hotels for each redemption. As a general rule of thumb, here’s how it works:

  • When the hotel isn’t full, the loyalty program compensates the hotel at some reimbursement rate that’s slightly above the marginal cost of servicing a room, etc.
  • When the hotel is full (think 90-95%+ occupancy), the loyalty program compensates the hotel close to the average daily rate, in recognition of the fact that the room may have otherwise been sold

For example, if a hotel has high rates but low occupancy, it might be in a disproportionately low category. Meanwhile if a hotel has lower rates but consistently high occupancy, it might be in a disproportionately high category. It’s all about World of Hyatt’s redemption costs.

I think the devaluation we’re seeing at the high end here reflects the massive demand for luxury travel right now. Room rates at many luxury properties are through the roof, and on top of that they’re packed. For example, rooms at the Andaz Maui are way more expensive than they were before the pandemic. With occupancy as high as it is, that also drives up World of Hyatt’s costs for these redemptions.

That probably doesn’t make most of us feel any better, but it’s at least worth understanding where these changes are (presumably) coming from.

Alila Ventana Big Sur will become a Category 8 World of Hyatt property

Bottom line

While annual hotel category adjustments is nothing new, this year’s changes are absolutely brutal for those looking for aspirational redemptions. We’re seeing many of Hyatt’s top properties move from Category 7 to Category 8, even though Category 8 historically hasn’t been used for Hyatt properties (but rather only SLH properties).

When you combine that with Hyatt also introducing peak pricing, that means Hyatt’s most expensive properties are going from 30,000 points per night to up to 45,000 points per night, a price increase of up to 50%.

This is huge, and will cause me to recalculate my valuation of World of Hyatt points. I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised to see a devaluation among aspirational properties, given the amount of demand right now. Unfortunately these changes come around the same time that Marriott Bonvoy is moving to dynamic award pricing, eliminating the cap on how many points a stay can cost.

What do you make of these World of Hyatt changes?

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  1. Andrew Gold

    I am starting to question whether the big chain hotel model of "lets farm the risk out to hotel owners" is a good long term strategy. It feels like constant tension and the only ones that really suffer are customers.

  2. Scotes New Member

    I'm starting to think what's the friggin' point trying to use points for anything. Last few times I've tried to use Hyatt or Bonvoy points all I get is the "This hotel is not accepting (insert program here) points during these dates." Plenty of rooms to pay for though. Has it truly gotten like airline miles with unobtainium availability? Makes me think big deal - they're just devaluing points I can't seem to use anyway...

  3. LK Guest

    Surprisingly there are a few (non-aspirational) Bay Area (Fremont, Sunnyvale. Pleasanton) properties going down a category, which is helpful.

  4. Patrick D Guest

    Wow, there is *no way* that the Hyatt Place Ocean City is a Category 6 property. I stayed there off-season but even *in-season*, nope.

    It was "nice enough" but it wasn't *Cat 6* nice. My guess is they're comparing it to all the other fleabag hotels/motels that are on the oceanfront.

    Weird that there's no category adjustments at all in the Seattle area seeing how many hotels Hyatt has there now.

  5. Steve Guest

    @DCS
    Hyatt will still be only hotel company with award charts

  6. Jill Guest

    Honestly we are living in a world of inflation
    Points devaluation

  7. Adambgarrett New Member

    Thanks for the solid coverage of this terrible devaluation. I think it's important to note that only 13 of the 60 US based properties that are changing are changing for the better. Since Hyatt is headquartered in Chicago, & at least a plurality of those that use Hyatt points are based out of the US, that's quite notable.

  8. LovetoFly Member

    Ugghhh! Was saving my points for the Park Hyatt Sydney. So, not only can I not get there, once I can I need more points.

  9. Donna Diamond

    Inflation has hit just about everything from groceries to hotels, so the devaluation comes as no surprise. The other shoe has dropped now that we are emerging from the pandemic. The only question left is whether things will stabilize back to 2019 levels or if this is the new normal or worse, prices keep going up.

    It’s not all bad though, this shakeup has forced me to get out of my comfort zone and...

    Inflation has hit just about everything from groceries to hotels, so the devaluation comes as no surprise. The other shoe has dropped now that we are emerging from the pandemic. The only question left is whether things will stabilize back to 2019 levels or if this is the new normal or worse, prices keep going up.

    It’s not all bad though, this shakeup has forced me to get out of my comfort zone and try new products, properties and airlines. Could end up with a long term upside.

  10. DCS Diamond

    Is it bad - yes, but it's still miles ahead of Marriott/Hilton etc. in terms of valuation.

    Hilton standard awards, especially with the 5th award night free, have always been more attractive than Hyatt's and this was evident to anyone who had not drunk too much of the Hyatt is "best" kool-aid.

    Here's a cold-eyed perspective to this change where Hyatt's own 'aspirational' hotels have been moved up to Cat 8.

    Category 8 hotels'...

    Is it bad - yes, but it's still miles ahead of Marriott/Hilton etc. in terms of valuation.

    Hilton standard awards, especially with the 5th award night free, have always been more attractive than Hyatt's and this was evident to anyone who had not drunk too much of the Hyatt is "best" kool-aid.

    Here's a cold-eyed perspective to this change where Hyatt's own 'aspirational' hotels have been moved up to Cat 8.

    Category 8 hotels' seasonal award costs of

    35K 40K 45K

    would be equivalent to Hilton awards costing, respectively,

    105K 120K 135K

    which means that except at Hilton's two (just 2) 'ultra-aspirational' properties -- WA Maldives and WA Los Cabos, where standard awards cost 120K or 150K per night -- every single Hyatt Category 8 award would be classified as "premium" in the Hilton system! Think about that...

    With "premium" awards being exorbitant and generally yielding very poor redemption values in the Hilton system, despite the ease of earning points in the program and because the 5th award night free provides no break since the perk is good only for standard awards, it is unclear to me how anyone affords a decent stay of at least 3 nights at Hyatt's new Cat 8 hotels without breaking the bank. At this point the only feature that prevents World of Hyatt from becoming as flawed a program as was SPG is that it, smartly, does not make the transfer of Hyatt points to airline miles favorable.

    G'day.

    1. Chris K Gold

      You make a great point, might be time to shift to Hilton

    2. JoePro Guest

      Anybody who can do basic math knows better.
      By your own standard written above (wherein 40K Hyatt Points is approximately the same as 120K Hilton points), then that means until 2017, Hyatt Hotels cost at most 75K points, and until this year they cost at most 90K points.

      Hilton started charging up to 95K points/Night back in 2013, and up to 120K a couple years back.

      But yeah, we're all drinking kool-aid.
      Putz.

    3. DCS Diamond

      I do not know what you are objecting to. When Hilton had an award chart it was capped at 95K while Hyatt's was capped at 30K( is not it changed shorty thereafter). 95k vs 90K (Hyatt in HH points) or 32K (Hilton in Hyatt points) vs 30K, no difference. It is a round off error. When Hilton moved to 120K at WA Maldives is when 40K Hyatt awards started to appear.

      More to the point...

      I do not know what you are objecting to. When Hilton had an award chart it was capped at 95K while Hyatt's was capped at 30K( is not it changed shorty thereafter). 95k vs 90K (Hyatt in HH points) or 32K (Hilton in Hyatt points) vs 30K, no difference. It is a round off error. When Hilton moved to 120K at WA Maldives is when 40K Hyatt awards started to appear.

      More to the point is that award costs depend on promos and ease of earning points, and then you add the 5th award night free, and there is no competition.

      G'day.

    4. kenindfw Guest

      I wonder if Hyatt may need to also offer a 4th night or 5th night free on award redemptions. I think they're the only ones that don't do that now. IHG, Marriott and Hilton all provide some incentive to cash in multiple nights. If I'm going to one of the aspirational places then I would want to stay 4 or 5 nights to really feel like I got away and enjoyed my stay.

  11. TheBestBlackBrent Member

    Just change your mile valuation math and the prices will not have gone up! #science

  12. skimegheath Gold

    Good timing. Booked PH Sydney a few days ago for April using my free night.

  13. Andrew Gold

    Don't throw rocks at me, but this really doesn't affect me. Hyatt points (without cards) are absurdly hard to earn, and I get much better dollar yield from 9k premium suite upgrades than from free nights.

    Example: "Oh I can blow 90k points on a base room in Park Hyatt Kyoto" was never plan A. That's 10 nights in the Ninenzaka House... a much better experience.

    1. Andrew Gold

      And it isn't just the aspirational properties. 3 free nights in a base room for Hyatt Regency Tokyo equals 4 nights in their Ambassador Suite.

      I'm telling you, spending points for free nights was a squander of high order, even before this change.

    2. Ethan Guest

      I find hotels in Europe and East Asia are really good at iron gripping their suites for point upgrade

    3. LSP New Member

      That's great that you can get good value out of premium suite upgrades. For me, the marginal benefit of suite upgrades isn't worth it. I usually value the location and amenities of a property a lot more than the particular room I'm in. And while I might never pay the cash rate at an 'aspirational' property, I would definitely never pay the cash rate for a premium suite at an aspirational property, so the value just isn't there for me.

    4. DH Guest

      Hyatt points aren't hard to earn if you earn Chase points since they are transferable to Hyatt

    5. DCS Diamond

      YMMV, but I shudder at the notion of using bank-issued transferable points to book hotel award stays...

    6. LK Guest

      But for many of us, Hyatt points ARE very easy to earn because of credit card transfers. The initial model was to earn on business stays (and flights) use the points/miles to play later, but that's not the only way to play this game.

  14. Jill Guest

    I really love these changes
    There are some positives on here

  15. kels2003 New Member

    It might not be the most horrible thing in the world, if they would actually open up points availability. I'm always checking for Alila Napa and Ventana Space, but rarely find it. Combining increases with peak pricing and lack of availability is making these properties almost impossible to book on points. :(

  16. Randy Guest

    Best category 4 for free night in the DC metro area was the Hyatt Regency Chesapeake in Cambridge MD. We just used our free night there in December and it was beautiful. Obviously now will consider canceling my card at renewal time.

  17. Endre Guest

    Generally speaking, with all the credit card companies throwing out six-figure welcome bonuses, thus contributing significantly to the inflation of points/miles, award chart adjustments do not come as a surprise.

    Same goes for tier memberships. If Amex and co gift status to all their customers for just having a card, you can’t legitimately whine about hotel chains scaling down elite tier benefits.

    1. reed Member

      Endre—this seems like a reasonable claim, but some of the whining is no doubt justified. Card issuers aren't in the business of gifting anything, and for cardholders who have effectively purchased their status (and associated benefits) for an annual fee, the whine is legitimate and the bait-and-switch is real.

    2. LSP New Member

      Right, except Amex doesn't issue Hyatt cards or Hyatt points, and Chase hasn't been shoveling points or status out the door like Amex has.

  18. ycgcdg New Member

    WOW! As a globalist I am sure disappointed, it seems all of the Park Hyatt's on the list are going up. I had already booked my planned stay at the Park Hyatt in NYC as it's is hard to get points and suite upgrades at the property unless booked way in advance because of its popularity. Some of the Hotels going from a 4 to a 5 in the USA are barley 4's so I can't see them as a 5. I guess I better hurry and use my Cat 4 awards.

  19. mowogo Member

    I understand the Andaz Maui moving up based on rates, and maybe an opportunity for awards to actually become available. I’ve stayed on an award there before, but it is hard to find.

  20. MoJoe Gold

    I'm not thrilled about these changes, but it's logical that points prices increase along with rising costs in every part of the economy. Consider the price increases we've seen for food, real estate, cars, wages, etc. over the past several years. I lament that dollar value menus are essentially gone at all the fast food chains, but no amount of fretting or whining will bring back the old prices.

    I can begrudgingly accept Hyatt's devaluation...

    I'm not thrilled about these changes, but it's logical that points prices increase along with rising costs in every part of the economy. Consider the price increases we've seen for food, real estate, cars, wages, etc. over the past several years. I lament that dollar value menus are essentially gone at all the fast food chains, but no amount of fretting or whining will bring back the old prices.

    I can begrudgingly accept Hyatt's devaluation by moving the best properties up in categories, but do NOT want to see any accompanying reduction in service (at these top properties) or benefits for World of Hyatt Globalists.

    1. reed Member

      I'm inclined to agree, MoJoe, but I'm not sure there's an actual mechanism behind inflation of points whenever there's inflation in dollars. After all, awards aren't exactly priced competitively from either Hyatt or the hotel owners' perspectives.

      If only more folks put their money where their mouth is re. preferring devaluation to reduction in service—the data goes pretty hardly the other direction.

  21. Eliyahu Guest

    Hyatt Place Long Island City going from a 3 to a 4 is disappointing but not unexpected. This hotel was and remains (even with this news) one of the best-kept secrets in NYC travel.

    1. Mishas Guest

      Hyatt Place Ocean City MD a cat 6? Wow

  22. SilverSpringer Guest

    On light of these changes, the cat 1-4 free nights should go to cat 1-5 and globalist cat 1-7 should br cat 1-8.

  23. ECM New Member

    OH my... I just switched to Hyatt last year, and this is quite a punch. With business travel down significantly for me, not sure if it will be worth it staying loyal to Hyatt after 2022. They need to either increase the point earning rate, or lower the tier thresholds.

    Already have almost 20 nights for 2022, and a bunch in the pipeline due to the few work trips I have and weddings, so this...

    OH my... I just switched to Hyatt last year, and this is quite a punch. With business travel down significantly for me, not sure if it will be worth it staying loyal to Hyatt after 2022. They need to either increase the point earning rate, or lower the tier thresholds.

    Already have almost 20 nights for 2022, and a bunch in the pipeline due to the few work trips I have and weddings, so this year top-tier would be easier. But 2023 is going to be an interesting year, especially with these redemption rates...

  24. Steve Lee Guest

    Good for me, since I am based in asia and can now used FNC at some properties

    I can never go to the category 8 hotels, anyway.

  25. Ivan Y Guest

    Pretty awful — and probably will lead to even more hotels moving to Category 8.

  26. Christ Guest

    Ugh, just when I switched over from Bonvoy. But I’m not worried. I know that you (and other bloggers) will help us figure out how to make the most of this bad situation

  27. Keith S. Guest

    All I can say is my timing was quite lucky. I decided two months ago to book the Cat 1-7 free night certificate I earned in 2021 at Alila Napa Valley. At least now I know this will probably be the last time I'll be staying there on my own dime, so I'll have to make the most of it!

  28. JohnSF New Member

    Isn't there an opportunity here for folks with big points balances?

    Book a bunch of nights at a hotel that is going down in category, preferably a hotel you do not want to stay at. Let Hyatt refund you a bunch of points when the category goes down then cancel the reservation and keep the bonus points. Would this work? Or will they claw back the refunded points?

    1. JoePro Guest

      This would not work. They will only refund you the points you spent on the booking. Their system is automated this way.

  29. RC Guest

    It should be noted that most of the increases are in the US while most decreases are International. I just can't reconcile some of the Hyatt Place properties as a tier 4

    1. reed Member

      You've got to be onto something. Hyatt/others have been much less effective at delivering (largely American) guests to international hotels, and lower occupancy means more cost effective redemptions for award program bottom lines.
      Both of those factors together though point to a much less attractive value proposition for international hotel owners—Hyatt and others delivering fewer & cheaper guests should probably cause some of them to reconsider brand alignment at all.

      You've got to be onto something. Hyatt/others have been much less effective at delivering (largely American) guests to international hotels, and lower occupancy means more cost effective redemptions for award program bottom lines.
      Both of those factors together though point to a much less attractive value proposition for international hotel owners—Hyatt and others delivering fewer & cheaper guests should probably cause some of them to reconsider brand alignment at all.

  30. Jim Guest

    Is it bad - yes, but it's still miles ahead of Marriott/Hilton etc. in terms of valuation. There's a lot of excellent Cat 3-4 hotels that are staying at that level

    1. DCS Diamond

      I have no dog in this fight but a statement like "Is it bad - yes, but it's still miles ahead of Marriott/Hilton etc. in terms of valuation", which is clearly designed to put a lipstick on a pig (to continue with the animal kingdom metaphors) does beg the obvious question to which I am sure I won't get a straight answer:

      == What is your objective or quantitative evidence that this deval "is still...

      I have no dog in this fight but a statement like "Is it bad - yes, but it's still miles ahead of Marriott/Hilton etc. in terms of valuation", which is clearly designed to put a lipstick on a pig (to continue with the animal kingdom metaphors) does beg the obvious question to which I am sure I won't get a straight answer:

      == What is your objective or quantitative evidence that this deval "is still miles ahead of Hilton or Marriott in terms of 'valuation' ", whatever that means?

    2. MrCashIsKing New Member

      Good follow up DCS! I would venture to say that Hilton hands down now has the most valuable certificates (you can use anywhere with the exception of very few hotels) and Hilton's max cap of 95,000 points (again exception very few hotels) is a better value than both Marriott going dynamic and Hyatt's new rates. On top of that, Hilton constantly has promos with awesome earnings bundled with great earnings on the credit cards. Most...

      Good follow up DCS! I would venture to say that Hilton hands down now has the most valuable certificates (you can use anywhere with the exception of very few hotels) and Hilton's max cap of 95,000 points (again exception very few hotels) is a better value than both Marriott going dynamic and Hyatt's new rates. On top of that, Hilton constantly has promos with awesome earnings bundled with great earnings on the credit cards. Most two night stays I do with Hilton for $150.00 /night rooms, I end up with 15K plus points including Hilton credit card points and promos. For aspirational awards, Hilton is becoming the best option in my opinion for high property redemptions and point earnings.

    3. DCS Diamond

      @MrCashIsKing - I could not have said it better, with each assertion a statement of fact unto itself as opposed to the usual fact-free claims of "Hyatt is 'best' because, well, everyone knows it"!

    4. reddargon Gold

      DCS you make some good points but I think anyone that is a regular in these comments sees right through it when you say you have no dog in this fight. You are constantly vouching for Hilton over Hyatt and others. As I said you often have some very good points, but there's no reason to pretend you don't have a dog in this fight, you are quite clearly a Hilton fan.

    5. DCS Diamond

      @reddargon - Well, you misinterpreted my comment. I am a Hilton boy through and through, so much so, in fact, that I am about to register 2M base points, after having been a HH Diamond for 12 years straight, to qualify to become a Lifetime HH Diamond by mid-year - not an easy feat without dedicated loyalty to the program. So, there is no doubt at all about where my loyalties lie.

      The reason...

      @reddargon - Well, you misinterpreted my comment. I am a Hilton boy through and through, so much so, in fact, that I am about to register 2M base points, after having been a HH Diamond for 12 years straight, to qualify to become a Lifetime HH Diamond by mid-year - not an easy feat without dedicated loyalty to the program. So, there is no doubt at all about where my loyalties lie.

      The reason I said that I have no dog in this fight is that I have so little invested in World of Hyatt that this massive devaluation of the program's high-end awards means little to me. Moreover, it is an open secret that I do not think as much of WoH, or of HGP before it, as do those who have drunk too much of the "Hyatt is best kool-aid", or as do those who serve up it. When HGP was giving away their Diamond status through status match or something like that, and everyone was falling all over each other to get it, I did not bother, even though I was a shoo-in for it. If it is any consolation, I always thought that HGP was a much better program than now-defunct SPG. After Marriott gutted their Gold status, which I'd parlayed to get room upgrades in Asia, WoH became my de facto fall back program.

      I repeat - I have got no dog in this fight, but that does not mean I will stop being my usual self and not opine.

      Other than sharing that inaccurate perception, please let me know whether there is anything in what I actually wrote that you'd like to discuss.

  31. David Guest

    So Ben, how did you and Ford enjoy the Iberia flight last night?

  32. Jeff Guest

    If the room rates are higher than they were in the past, I suppose this is fair. As long as we can still get reasonable redemption rates (e.g., 1.7cpp, 2.0cpp) and the properties don’t play games with inventory, this isn’t so bad. We’ll be earning more points through paid stays.

    I’ve had the opposite problem. I’ve found that many of the rates are too low for a redemption to be worthwhile. I don’t like burn points less than 1.7cpp.

  33. Darin Member

    I think the value of FNCs are the real issue here. I understand that the massive increase in rates and occupancy are also going to drive redemption rates higher. Has there been a single hotel program without major devals in this environment? But those certs get a LOT less valuable as more hotels fall out of reach. While I hate to tell any program to look what Marriott's doing, I do hope they mimic the...

    I think the value of FNCs are the real issue here. I understand that the massive increase in rates and occupancy are also going to drive redemption rates higher. Has there been a single hotel program without major devals in this environment? But those certs get a LOT less valuable as more hotels fall out of reach. While I hate to tell any program to look what Marriott's doing, I do hope they mimic the ability to top-off, otherwise the certs (and credit cards that go with them) start to look a lot less competitive.

    1. hp12c Member

      Agreed. They really need to adjust at least the Cat1-7 certificates to Cat1-8.

    2. Points Adventure Guest

      "Has there been a single hotel program without major devals in this environment?"

      Hilton FNCs are still good at any Hilton (other than the tiny exclusions that's always been there).

    3. Levi Member

      In terms of earn-and-burn, Hilton hasn't really deval'd during the pandemic. Elite breakfast, sure, but point value is basically what it's been for years.

  34. Luis Guest

    Andaz Maui has got to be the most overrated hotel in the Hyatt portfolio. Category 8 is a joke, not that they release any rooms for awards nights anyways.

    1. Luke Guest

      For super overpriced Maui and general Wailea area it's one of the best options available. It's lot better than the neighboring hotels like Waldorf Grand Wailea, Marriott Wailea, etc. And the four seasons in Wailea is great if your rich enough to shell out $3k plus in cash per night for lowest category rooms!

    2. Points Adventure Guest

      And yet, everyone and their father-in-law aspire to be there on points. I'll catch up on the latest drama from my oceanview balcony in Grand Wailea (booked with Hilton FNCs, ofc).

  35. NycAlex Member

    Just booked Hyatt Place Moab this week for three nights. I don't think it was that amazing a redemption, to be honest.

    1. FMX Guest

      You are paying the location next to Arches NP, not the hard product itself.

    2. Art_Czar New Member

      Booked award nights a 8k points/night at Hyatt Place Moab over Spring Break. Rates are around $400/night for those dates. Pleasantly surprised that availability opened up for that busy week and very pleased with my redemption.

  36. Luke Guest

    Was looking to book 2 nights at PH Paris on points but havent finalized the exact dates in May or June. Guess have to know for sure by March 22 as I dont have enough points to make 2 separate speculative reservations and then cancel later!

    1. ycgcdg New Member

      There is another hotel close by the PH Paris, the Hotel du Louvre I have stayed there and it is great, not the PH but very nice and it was just remodeled have not stayed there since the remodel.

  37. EvilDrWally Guest

    Your comparison of a 50% price / points increase is flawed!. You are mixing up 2 different pricing strategies. Going from 30/35k to 40/40k is a 30% increase...

    1. panda Gold

      No. Peak pricing (35k) currently doesn’t exist.

    2. JoePro Guest

      Yes it does. Just check the calendars. Seeing lots of peak/off peak for a variety of hotels.

    3. panda Gold

      You are looking at dates from March 2022 on. I said ‘currently’.

  38. Wany Guest

    I hope Hyatt can copy the IHG change on the certificate to allow us top off the cat 1-4 free night with the difference. Even if is is limited to Cat 5, it opens up a lot opportunities to redeem the free night.

  39. JD Guest

    Hyatt Moab 2 to 4 is a joke. Place isn't anything special. Food in the area is subpar as well.

    1. LarryInNYC Gold

      But on price alone this has long been one of the outlier highest cents-per-point locations in the US.

    2. hp12c Member

      Similar to the Hyatt Place Dewey Beach. The hotel is a very standard Hyatt Place (and frankly I think Dewey Beach is completely unappealing if you're older than college-age), but it's now a category 6 due to its massive popularity in the summer months.

    3. Jim Guest

      Moab just has absurdly high occupancy (and rates) which I guess justifies this one. It's probably the one Hyatt Place increase I can defend.

  40. Chet New Member

    On the other hand, several of the hotels I am more likely to use are going down a category. For instance, I can now use my Cat 1-4 certs at the Hyatt Amsterdam. I will be rebooking my paid rate to use the certs. Two Bangkok hotels have also gone down a category. Thanks for the post - it will save me quite a bit of money.

  41. :) Guest

    Just took a quick peek at the damage. Agreed that the "more aspiration" stays are going up by quite a bit and it hurts! However at least it was nice to see that HR Sydney and HR TST (Hong Kong) is going from cat 5 to cat 4.

  42. Ryan Guest

    Wow. My 40th is coming up in October and I have 4 nights booked at the Andaz Maui. Guess I'm glad I booked when I did.

  43. Chris K Gold

    This sucks and not unexpected when they introduced category 8.

    1. LarryInNYC Gold

      There's an old saying that if a gun appears in the first act of a play it needs to be fired in the second. New redemption categories work the same way.

    2. pstm91 Diamond

      Chekhov's gun - every element in a story must have relevance and be used. Agreed, and why we should always be skeptical when new charts, systems, etc. are put into place.

  44. Andrew Gold

    Huh. Must be all that imaginary demand for PH Kyoto and PH Niseko. Since... yunno... the country's immigration policy looks like Sakoku these days.

    1. JoePro Gold

      I was wondering this about PH Sydney. Australia reopens in a week after being closed to the world for 2 years.

    2. Samo Guest

      It's not just international visitors who stay at hotels. Countries with extreme border restrictions also often see significantly increased domestic demand as people can't really go elsewhere.

  45. JoePro Gold

    By the end of the year, I'll have been to 5/9 of those cat 8s. I'm in a fortunate spot where a lot of my strategy with Hyatt is shifting to paid rates + points upgrades to suites. Don't have a problem paying up to $1000/nt for a room for a 2-3 night stay. I am, however, using my SUB from the WOH card + my existing points to cover the entire 3 nights of...

    By the end of the year, I'll have been to 5/9 of those cat 8s. I'm in a fortunate spot where a lot of my strategy with Hyatt is shifting to paid rates + points upgrades to suites. Don't have a problem paying up to $1000/nt for a room for a 2-3 night stay. I am, however, using my SUB from the WOH card + my existing points to cover the entire 3 nights of a Park Suite at PH Paris later this year (saving myself $3500)

    This does mean the odds that I return to Ventana are low. But while it was an amazing experience and an incredible value for 30K, it wasn't the pinnacle of Hyatt point redemptions for me, and ranks #10 of the Hyatt's I've visited.

    1. JoePro Gold

      OTOH, now that I'm reading the full list..... ugh. Years ago I shifted my free night cert from HR San Fran Embarcadero to HR Monterey when San Fran moved to a 5. But now that HR Monterey is moving to a 5---- ouch.
      Also CVR moving from 5 to a 6, double ouch.

      So I can't use my free night cert at any GH or HR in San Fran City, or at any property...

      OTOH, now that I'm reading the full list..... ugh. Years ago I shifted my free night cert from HR San Fran Embarcadero to HR Monterey when San Fran moved to a 5. But now that HR Monterey is moving to a 5---- ouch.
      Also CVR moving from 5 to a 6, double ouch.

      So I can't use my free night cert at any GH or HR in San Fran City, or at any property in Monterey.
      There remains no Cat 1's in California.

      I say: Up the AF on the WOH card to 125 and move redemptions to a cat 5. And as another user mentioned, that Cat 1-7 cert should become a Cat 1-8.

      My government rate typically gets me HR Monterey at $120 anyway, so paying a $95 AF won't make any sense anymore.

  46. Christine Guest

    Not surprised at the big Hyatt Place Moab jump. We got one of the best point redemptions ever last spring (Jeep week). Room rate was ~$500. The cat 2 tier made it 8,000 per nights. We stayed two nights and to back 2,000 on a promo.

    It’s also a nice property for a HP. Pool and fire pit area is quite enjoyable.

  47. TimR Guest

    The worst part is not being able to use a Cat 1-7 cert at these anymore

  48. Alonzo Diamond

    Peace out Park Hyatt Sydney, it's been real.

  49. Kevin M Guest

    One small silver lining: It's nice to finally have a Cat 2 hotel very convenient to central DC / DCA airport.
    I too will miss Gild Hall (NYC) and Confidante (Miami Beach) as great 1-4 cert redemptions, that to me is the biggest disappointment.

    1. Jim Guest

      Confidante is the big loss for me, it was probably the best Cat 4 property on offer

    2. Eliyahu Guest

      Especially disappointing in light of the fact that the service there frankly blows.

    3. reddargon Gold

      Agree on Gild Hall. Just used two free category 4 nights there last year, I guess that won't be an option anymore. It was the only category 4 available in Manhattan... Keeping my Hyatt credit card is getting harder and harder to justify.

  50. Pete Diamond

    I’ve used plenty cat 1-7 certs for PH Paris. Do those certs change to 1-8?
    I’m guessing no. Ugh.

  51. Stuart Guest

    I would say it's a reflection on demand. Those properties are highly sought after for redemptions and often impossible to find space. Andaz Maui and Alila Big Sur being at the top of that list. With that there comes a silver lining, it may actually make space more readily available at some of the most desirable properties. For example, I might actually be able to score a room during periods I can travel there at the Andaz Maui (been trying with no luck for ages).

  52. meta Guest

    I paid 35k at Park Hyatt Kyoto per night, so it isn’t 30k. Still a high increase.

    1. JoePro Guest

      Yes, it is 30K. You must've paid peak pricing at 35K. At the low end, it's 25K. (Until the change occurs)

  53. Court Guest

    Ugh Gild Hall moving up to a Cat 5, that was a great Cat 1-4 award hotel

    1. eponymous coward Guest

      So I believe this means there are zero hotels that can be used with a Cat 1-4 cert in Manhattan. I guess you go to Long Island City now?

    2. Hao New Member

      Yes, Hyatt Place Long Island City (Cat 4) or Hyatt Place Flushing/Laguardia Airport (Cat 3), both in Queens.

    3. AJ Member

      @eponymous...yup, but dont wait too long to book LI. the Hyatt Place Long Island City / New York City is also on this list and going from cat 3 to 4. understanding that the changes happen every year, you may be 'on the fringe' of not being able to stay there either next year.

  54. Anthony Diamond

    While this is bad news, have you looked at room prices for most of those new Category 8 hotels? Well over $1,000 a night in many cases. With where room rates are, points needed for redemption have to go up by rule. You can still get well over 2 cents per point at many of those Hyatt hotels even at peak redemption.

    I would actually argue that all of your hotel point values are currently...

    While this is bad news, have you looked at room prices for most of those new Category 8 hotels? Well over $1,000 a night in many cases. With where room rates are, points needed for redemption have to go up by rule. You can still get well over 2 cents per point at many of those Hyatt hotels even at peak redemption.

    I would actually argue that all of your hotel point values are currently too low given where room rates are now, Lucky. Let’s see where devaluations end up though

    1. Ethan Guest

      Are these hotels worth $1000+ though?
      Park Hyatt Paris, almost.
      Park Hyatt New York, heck no.

  55. HT Guest

    I hate that the Confidante is moving to a Category 5. It's a hotel my wife and I go to every year using our FNCs.

    1. Chris K Gold

      Totally agreed, staying there in March with combo points and free nights certificates

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Darin Member

I think the value of FNCs are the real issue here. I understand that the massive increase in rates and occupancy are also going to drive redemption rates higher. Has there been a single hotel program without major devals in this environment? But those certs get a LOT less valuable as more hotels fall out of reach. While I hate to tell any program to look what Marriott's doing, I do hope they mimic the ability to top-off, otherwise the certs (and credit cards that go with them) start to look a lot less competitive.

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TimR Guest

The worst part is not being able to use a Cat 1-7 cert at these anymore

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LarryInNYC Gold

There's an old saying that if a gun appears in the first act of a play it needs to be fired in the second. New redemption categories work the same way.

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