Ryanair CEO Wants To Ban 5AM Airport Beer Ritual: Fair, Self-Serving, Or Both?

Ryanair CEO Wants To Ban 5AM Airport Beer Ritual: Fair, Self-Serving, Or Both?

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Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary is one of the most outspoken people in the airline industry. He’s also known for almost exclusively promoting positions that help his airline, which is fair enough. So along those lines, here’s the latest example of that…

Ryanair wants to ban alcoholic drinks before morning flights

Ryanair’s CEO is calling on airports to be banned from serving alcohol to passengers before early morning flights, arguing that this would reduce the number of disruptions onboard aircraft. O’Leary claims that Ryanair is having to divert an average of one flight per day due to poor passenger behavior, and alcohol is one of the main contributors to poor behavior onboard aircraft.

O’Leary points out how the UK has licensing hour restrictions that govern the sale of alcohol, but that doesn’t apply to bars at airport. As O’Leary explained:

“It’s becoming a real challenge for all airlines. I fail to understand why anybody in airport bars is serving people at five or six o’clock in the morning. Who needs to be drinking beer at that time? There should be no alcohol served at airports outside licensing hours.”

Of course it’s pointed out that Ryanair sells alcohol onboard flights, and flight attendants are known to be very motivated to sell, given that they have quotas to reach (or at least they historically have). O’Leary defended that by pointing out that the airline rarely sells more than two drinks to a passenger:

“We are reasonably responsible, but the ones who are not responsible, the ones who are profiteering off it, are the airports who have these bars open at five or six o’clock in the morning and during delays are quite happy to send these people as much alcohol as they want because they know they’re going to export the problem to the airlines.”

Lol, you’ve gotta love O’Leary saying Ryanair is “reasonably responsible,” and suggests the airline isn’t really “profiteering off” alcohol, while airport vendors are. O’Leary has also called on a general limit of two alcoholic drinks per person at airports, regardless of the time of day, to minimize issues onboard flights.

Of course being intoxicated on a plane violates regulations in most countries, and can lead to a penalty. Ryanair in particular has been known to go after passengers who cause diversions, suing them for the costs incurred. It seems this is almost done more for optics than anything, in terms of showing people that poor behavior has consequences (it’s something I commend the airline for).

Ryanair wants airports to restrict alcohol sales

O’Leary has a (convenient) point about alcohol

The culture around drinking at airports is kind of funny:

  • An airport is one of the few places you can have a drink in the early hours of the morning without getting judged too hard
  • In terms of economic incentives, airports are essentially shopping malls and food halls that just happen to have gates, and most airports get a cut on sales, so there’s an incentive to sell people whatever they’d like to buy
  • Airlines (and particularly Ryanair) will also gladly sell passengers alcohol onboard, because it’s another revenue opportunity

If I were to look at this objectively and say “okay, what’s best for society,” sure, maybe banning alcohol at the airports early in the morning would be a “best practice,” in terms of minimizing disruptions to flights. But at the same time, I just think this is a strange place to draw a line:

  • Some people flying at 6AM are just going on holiday and have one drink before their flight in a celebratory way, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that
  • I don’t necessarily assume someone having a drink or two at an airport in the morning poses more of a risk than someone having a drink or two in the evening
  • It’s a really slippery slope to claim “oh, we want to avoid diversions as much as possible,” while also carving out very narrow situations where alcohol shouldn’t be allowed, in a way that closely aligns with economic incentives
  • Airport lounges would presumably continue to have alcohol with virtually no limits, so any rule would be rather inconsistent
  • In general I don’t disagree with the concept of a limit of two drinks per person at an airport (or whatever), but tracking that is virtually impossible, and isn’t something that’s likely to get very far, given the differing incentives of various parties
What about airport lounges with unlimited drinks?

Bottom line

Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary is calling on morning alcohol sales at airports to be banned. He argues that traditional bars only have certain hours over which they can serve alcohol, but that doesn’t apply to airports. O’Leary claims that the airline is now seeing an average of one diversion per day due to unruly passengers, and alcohol is a major contributor to that.

There’s no denying that alcohol does contribute to some inflight issues, and that normalizing drinking early in the morning is something that’s generally only not frowned down upon at airports. I’m just curious to what extent O’Leary’s take here is motivated by his desire to sell more alcohol onboard, rather than an actual concern over diversions.

What do you make of O’Leary proposing a morning airport alcohol ban?

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  1. Horus_The_Local New Member

    He's also failing to take into account people who might be transiting at the airport between flights. Just because it's 5 AM at the airport doesn't mean the passenger's internal body clock is always at the same time!

  2. Frog Guest

    It could be both but considering its coming from Michael O'Leary, it is purely self-serving.

  3. Dusty Guest

    I'm at the airport. I'm not driving. There is zero issue with me having a drink. Alcoholics are gonna alcoholic no matter what you do. Banning drinks in the morning doesn't solve the problem, and impacts a lot more people (and airport concession sales) than better enforcement to keep obviously intoxicated people off the aircraft/not serving them once they're on the aircraft. But that wouldn't get O'Leary an alcohol monopoly out of some likely high-consumption...

    I'm at the airport. I'm not driving. There is zero issue with me having a drink. Alcoholics are gonna alcoholic no matter what you do. Banning drinks in the morning doesn't solve the problem, and impacts a lot more people (and airport concession sales) than better enforcement to keep obviously intoxicated people off the aircraft/not serving them once they're on the aircraft. But that wouldn't get O'Leary an alcohol monopoly out of some likely high-consumption airports, so it's a no-go.

  4. ImportViking Diamond

    I don't think you understand British alcohol culture. They're not drinking to socialize or celebrate, it's a race to get drunk as soon as possible. And especially flights bound for southern destinations, mostly Spain, are like an open invitation to test if you can get alcohol poisoning before you go on board, no matter what time of day it is.

    Some people argue that airports are different because there's people flying from all over...

    I don't think you understand British alcohol culture. They're not drinking to socialize or celebrate, it's a race to get drunk as soon as possible. And especially flights bound for southern destinations, mostly Spain, are like an open invitation to test if you can get alcohol poisoning before you go on board, no matter what time of day it is.

    Some people argue that airports are different because there's people flying from all over the world and may still be biologically adjusted to different time zones. That honestly doesn't count for Ryanair and their flights as they're just active in 3 time zones and have virtually no overnight flights. And they're the main or even only operator at quite a few airports they fly to. Given Ryanair's known aggressive negotiation style, I'm sure they could have just solved the issue instead of whining about it and pretend they're responsible and so.

    Which brings me to my point of view and my experiences: I've been on a few of those boozer expresses and they're really appalling. People board visibly intoxicated at 6AM and Ryanair cabin crew just turns a blind eye and sells them anything they want. Not even if a fight breaks out, not even if half the passengers pass out or start puking all over the plane, will any action be taken. The flight will simply not be diverted, not as long as there's a pilot left to land the damn thing. I really want to avoid these flights, but sometimes they're simply the most convenient or even only alternative, so every time I just hope for the best.

    Conclusion: O'Leary is a massive hypocrite. As usual.

  5. AC Guest

    I think this is likely a result of the clientele. When a significant part of the business model is transporting lower income Brits to holiday destinations as the lowest possible cost, there will obviously be consequeneces.

  6. Icarus Guest

    He is correct. Why on earth does anyone need pints of larger at 5am ? Those who do have a problem,

    You see it at airports such as Stansted and Luton. Far less so at Heathrow.

    STN at 5am has 100s of travellers downing beers with a full English breakfast.

  7. Alert Guest

    Nothing better than a breakfast beer .

  8. Kor Guest

    In my observation, 9/10 diversions because of unruly passenger is flight from/to UK... and passenger is British....

  9. AeroB13a Guest

    Many people fail to realise that Ryanair serves about 5,442 airport pairs. Or, about 240 destinations in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Any alcohol abuse problem is not totally a UK phenomenon.

    What people also fail to acknowledge is that O’Leary is one very canny publicist. The subject outburst of controversy is nothing new for the leprechaun. Any publicity is good publicity, especially if it is cost free.

  10. GRkennedy Diamond

    People who want to get intoxicated will get intoxicated, no matter the restrictions. They'd drink duty-free alcohol (illegal, I know), they'd bring their own in cabin bags (there is no longer the 100mL liquid rule in the UK), they'd drink at the lounge, whatever.

    I think the problem is rather the alcohol consumption in the UK. France doesn't have strict alcohol rules and you don't often see intoxicated people in airports.

  11. Dan Guest

    It is always noon somewhere in the world. I appreciate not many are transiting from another airport if they are flying Ryan scare out of the UK, but when it is 5 am in Manchester it is noon in Beijing

  12. Sean M. Diamond

    The solution to this is better enforcement of existing regulations against transportation of alcohol impaired passengers, rather than simply banning service altogether. The problem isn't the alcohol service but rather the people who abuse it.

    1. 1990 Guest

      It is easier to blame the individuals, rather than to attempt to manage or solve the systemic issue (access to alcohol in these circumstances); though, in some cases, yes, it is the individuals' misbehavior that is the actual problem. Like, people could choose to drink responsibly (maybe 1 or 2 beers at 5AM... wait, that doesn't sound very 'responsible'...) Bah!

    2. CoryCesar Diamond

      Well said, Sean M.

      Michael O'Leary is yet again leveraging this (and any) issue, which has a straightforward solution, as you've noted. This is to generate free publicity and potentially explore a time-limited monopoly on alcohol sales to a captive audience. If such a restriction were imposed, how many Ryanair flights would be rescheduled to depart before the morning cutoff? And it's easy to imagine the marketing campaign that would follow, promoting onboard alcohol...

      Well said, Sean M.

      Michael O'Leary is yet again leveraging this (and any) issue, which has a straightforward solution, as you've noted. This is to generate free publicity and potentially explore a time-limited monopoly on alcohol sales to a captive audience. If such a restriction were imposed, how many Ryanair flights would be rescheduled to depart before the morning cutoff? And it's easy to imagine the marketing campaign that would follow, promoting onboard alcohol on FR flights as the alternative to airport bars.

  13. Creditcrunch Diamond

    In the UK it would be a change to the licensing for the establishments selling alcohol including duty free and yes each lounge will have its own licence. I would imagine any changes would impact all that hold them so not easy to implement without complete agreement.

  14. Nikojas Guest

    Walking through Manchester airport at 530 in the morning was quite a culture shock. People are drinking to get drunk not to have one celebratory drink to start their holiday. I think you underestimate the problem. They then get on the plane and want more drinks. It’s the only place I’ve seen fellow passengers having wine and Pringles for breakfast at 7am.

    1. GRkennedy Diamond

      I agree - I saw the same in Gatwick at 5am last summer.

  15. Willmo Guest

    Also it’s convenient how he is saying this (and getting the associated press coverage that comes with it) right in the middle of the booking window for the busy summer season…

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Nikojas Guest

Walking through Manchester airport at 530 in the morning was quite a culture shock. People are drinking to get drunk not to have one celebratory drink to start their holiday. I think you underestimate the problem. They then get on the plane and want more drinks. It’s the only place I’ve seen fellow passengers having wine and Pringles for breakfast at 7am.

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Sean M. Diamond

The solution to this is better enforcement of existing regulations against transportation of alcohol impaired passengers, rather than simply banning service altogether. The problem isn't the alcohol service but rather the people who abuse it.

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Horus_The_Local New Member

He's also failing to take into account people who might be transiting at the airport between flights. Just because it's 5 AM at the airport doesn't mean the passenger's internal body clock is always at the same time!

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