Whoa: Lufthansa Wants To Stop Fighting With Employees, Aims For Labor Peace

Whoa: Lufthansa Wants To Stop Fighting With Employees, Aims For Labor Peace

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Lufthansa has long struggled with labor relations, and it has cost the airline dearly. Over the years we’ve seen endless strikes at the airline, and in the end, management seems to lose. It’s amazing how executives at the airline make the same mistake over and over, while expecting different results.

The irony is that Lufthansa Group CEO Carsten Spohr is a former pilot, so you’d think he’d be on the side of labor. But it’s clear that as soon as he crossed over to management, he’s had a certain disdain for those who keep the airline running (at least that’s what his actions reflect).

Well, could Lufthansa finally be turning over a new leaf? Management seems to be suggesting so, but only time will tell if this is just talk, or if there’s meaningful action behind it.

Lufthansa wants to work with labor on long term solutions

This is Lufthansa’s 100th anniversary, so it’s supposed to be a year of celebration. Instead, this spring we saw employees stage back-to-back-to-back strikes, as both pilots and flight attendants had industrial action that grounded the airline for roughly a week, costing the company hundreds of millions of dollars. This also caused Lufthansa’s CityLine subsidiary to be shut down overnight.

While we haven’t seen formal strikes since then, the contract negotiations are ongoing, so additional industrial action isn’t yet off the table. However, for the first time that I can remember, it seems like Lufthansa management is actually acknowledging that it needs to change its approach with labor.

In talking about labor relations at the carrier, Lufthansa’s Chief Human Resources Officer, Michael Niggemann, said that “we need to talk with each other again, instead of about each other.” He also said that “it’s important that we not only find solutions to the current collective bargaining disputes, but also create a solid foundation for cooperation in the years to come.”

Those are certainly the right words, so let’s see if there are any actions behind that. Slightly more concretely, it seems that the two parties have agreed on a framework by which they’ll arbitrate labor disputes, with the union representing pilots informing members that negotiations will be used to find solutions, rather than industrial action.

Generally Lufthansa’s labor relations issues have come down to a lack of goodwill and cooperation between management and the unions.

Despite being the “flagship” airline, Lufthansa is the lowest margin airline in Lufthansa Group. How you want to analyze that depends on your perspective:

  • Management keeps creating new airline subsidiaries due to this lack of profitability, arguing that the labor contracts for Lufthansa directly are too expensive
  • Labor unions argue that Lufthansa is the least profitable airline because the airline group keeps outsourcing flying, so of course what’s left is of limited value, since the flagship brand is being “sacrificed”
Lufthansa’s 100th anniversary hasn’t been great for labor

Air France-KLM is to “blame” for Lufthansa’s new approach

Why is Lufthansa suddenly taking a new approach to labor relations? I mean, logically one would assume that management would come to the conclusion that it’s good for business to be on good terms with employees. But it’s probably not quite that straightforward. I suspect Lufthansa Group management is also realizing that as we increasingly see consolidation among European airlines, labor peace is an important point of differentiation.

I think there’s one man and airline group that is putting this pressure on Lufthansa Group — that’s Ben Smith at Air France-KLM. Prior to 2018, labor relations at Air France were horrendous. I mean, in 2015, a protest by employees looked more like January 6, with executives having their shirts ripped off, and scaling a fence to escape.

However, it has been a completely different story since Smith took over in 2018. Since then, Air France hasn’t seen a single major case of industrial action. Yes, in eight years. That’s beyond remarkable.

I know a lot of anti-union people like to always blame unions for the kind of unrest, and for being unreasonable, while giving management a pass. Yes, unions can be challenging. But I think the perfect counterpoint to that is what we’ve seen at Air France. Air France has gone from worst to first when it comes to labor relations in Europe, so how is that possible?

Well, Smith has a deep respect for employees, he’s a huge aviation geek (which employees very much respect), and he fundamentally views labor and management as being collaborative, rather than at odds with one another. He also understands the value in making strategic investments to make employees happy.

For example, when he started in his role, one of his first orders of business was to eliminate low cost carrier Joon, moving the employees there onto contracts with higher pay. That’s literally the opposite of what we see at Lufthansa Group, where it’s all about forming new subsidiaries in order to cut labor costs, at the expense of existing employees.

Smith’s attitude is essentially “hey, we (management and the employees) want the same thing, which is for the airline to succeed, so how can we come to an agreement where everyone can be happy?” Respect goes a long way… maybe it’s a lesson that Spohr and his team are finally learning?

Bottom line

Lufthansa management claims it’ll take a new approach to labor relations, increasingly trying to collaborate with unions to find long term solutions. This is such a departure from what we’ve seen at Lufthansa over the past couple of decades, so I’m skeptical, but it would certainly be great to see.

I think Air France has put the pressure on Lufthansa when it comes to showing the power of good labor relations, given how much the labor situation at Air France has transformed.

What do you think — will Lufthansa management actually turn over a new leaf with labor relations, or is this all talk?

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  1. JdV Guest

    Fighting with staff. Labour disputes.
    While trying to buy a share in TAP Air Portugal.
    Ok. What could possibly go wrong.....

  2. Stanley C Diamond

    Carsten Spohr is a turn coat that should have been let go many years ago. Ben Smith is a huge aviation geek that can get the job done. Ben is an aviation geek who is also German so maybe Lufthansa should hire Ben and finally get a ‘Lucky’ break.

    And if Spohr is behind this supposed change of heart then there is more to it. He may want to do this to have a better presentation to get Lufthansa approved for a 44.9 percent stake in TAP Air Portugal. Time will tell.

  3. Frog Guest

    Well, if they are at all serious about improving relations the very first step would be to can Spohr. I don’t see how they can start building trust while he’s still around.

  4. Michael_FFM Diamond

    When I read that news first it felt like my head exploded in disbelief. I still think it will take many, many years to re-establish the trust which was destroyed over the last decade ( or even 2 decades?). And I will believe it when I see it, as the animosity on both sides is deeply ingrained in institutional memory.
    Letting Spohr go would be a good sign of good faith on Management‘s part.

    1. FrenchKev New Member

      Agree, trust is also a question of people. How do you trust someone to start acting differently... In my opinion, nothing will change until there is a management overhaul. LHG has too many brands/subsidiaries and all the weight/inefficiencies to function well.

  5. Samo Diamond

    It's good that LHG's management finally realizes that they can't win this war - but I'm afraid that's what it is. A capitulation rather than change of attitude, and for that reason I don't think it's gonna work. The comparison to the job Ben Smith did is very on point, but his success was largely based on his personality and the way of thinking. In case of Lufthansa I'm afraid we're just seeing a bunch...

    It's good that LHG's management finally realizes that they can't win this war - but I'm afraid that's what it is. A capitulation rather than change of attitude, and for that reason I don't think it's gonna work. The comparison to the job Ben Smith did is very on point, but his success was largely based on his personality and the way of thinking. In case of Lufthansa I'm afraid we're just seeing a bunch of guys worried about their KPIs.

    I will also be interested to see how this extends to Swiss, where there's a growing discontent with the airline being Lufthansi(shiti)fied, to the point of some cabin crews flat out refusing to mention Lufthansa Group in the PAs, despite officially being required to do so. I predict that this will be the arena where we'll see how much the LHG's management means what they say. (And I'm saying all that as someone who believes that EU3, or at least LHG and AFKL should move towards just using one brand. It's just extremely poorly executed on LHG's side, with the profitable part of the company being enslaved by the one that is losing money.)

    1. AlanZ Member

      A single brand will run into trouble as many customers would rather fly on home country's brand, not another country's.

  6. Barbarella Guest

    That sudden "realization" seems awfully concomitant to the bidding for TAP.
    Not sure it will suffice though.

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  8. rebel Diamond

    This is no way to run an airline/group

    Lufthansa Group €40

    Major Network Carriers
    Lufthansa Airlines: The main German flag carrier €16b
    SWISS: National airline of Switzerland €6b
    Austrian Airlines: Flag carrier of Austria €2.5b
    Brussels Airlines: Belgium's leading airline €1.6b
    ITA Airways: Italian carrier €3.2b

    Point-to-Point and Value Carriers
    Eurowings: Short/medium-haul value carrier

    Regional and Leisure Airlines
    Discover Airlines: German leisure and holiday airline
    Edelweiss Air:...

    This is no way to run an airline/group

    Lufthansa Group €40

    Major Network Carriers
    Lufthansa Airlines: The main German flag carrier €16b
    SWISS: National airline of Switzerland €6b
    Austrian Airlines: Flag carrier of Austria €2.5b
    Brussels Airlines: Belgium's leading airline €1.6b
    ITA Airways: Italian carrier €3.2b

    Point-to-Point and Value Carriers
    Eurowings: Short/medium-haul value carrier

    Regional and Leisure Airlines
    Discover Airlines: German leisure and holiday airline
    Edelweiss Air: SWISS affiliated leisure airline
    Air Dolomiti: Italian regional airline
    Lufthansa CityLine
    Lufthansa City Airlines

    1. 1990 Guest

      You left out the best part, Rebel. Half of those sub-brands exist for no other reason than to act as labor-busting whips for management.

      When they spend more time inventing pop-up regional subsidiaries to dodge labor contracts than you do fixing premium cabin product, this is the chaotic cluster you end up with. Luftkafka.

    2. rebel Diamond

      1990 says, "You left out the best part, Rebel. Half of those sub-brands exist for no other reason than to act as labor-busting whips for management."

      Agreed. The flag carriers are understandable to an extent, but the union busting subsidiaries have been proven to be self-defeating in a service business.

    1. view Gold

      I don’t really believe Carsten Spohr would ever warm to good labour relations. Probably just a negotiation tactic since more strikes are expected this fall. Another subsidiert should be launched shortly.

  9. Tim Dunn Diamond

    aviation has long had strong nationalistic overtones including labor-mgmt conflict.

    There have been large airlines that never really bought into that model and the success to show for it so it isn't a surprise that people at LH - including hopefully the board - are asking if LH's approach is in the best interest of companies; the answer undoubtedly is that something has to change WRT LH labor relations

    1. 1990 Guest

      Spare us, Tim. SkyTeam partner Air France proved you don't need union-busting to build a stable, top-tier airline; management just had to stop treating its workers like the enemy. 'Something has to change' at Lufthansa, alright: executive leadership needs to pay market wages, respect contract terms, and stop wasting billions picking fights they keep losing.

      Oh, and Delta's FAs, baggage handlers, and maintenance technicians are still overdue to join the pilots (since 1934!) and dispatchers...

      Spare us, Tim. SkyTeam partner Air France proved you don't need union-busting to build a stable, top-tier airline; management just had to stop treating its workers like the enemy. 'Something has to change' at Lufthansa, alright: executive leadership needs to pay market wages, respect contract terms, and stop wasting billions picking fights they keep losing.

      Oh, and Delta's FAs, baggage handlers, and maintenance technicians are still overdue to join the pilots (since 1934!) and dispatchers in organizing. You wait, bud.

    2. 1990 Guest

      And, Tim, don't worry, as for the OMAAT leaderboard, while Willy has more points than you and is Most Liked (meaning he's winning), you've still got more Hot Takes and are the Most Prolific, whatever those mean.

    3. Lee Guest

      I didn't take Tim's call for change as anti-union. Simply change. And, maybe that chair is new leadership with a new leadership style. Maybe I'm wrong.

    4. 1990 Guest

      Oh, sweet, sweet, Lee... that’s viewing Tim’s comment in a sterile vacuum, completely ignoring years of his anti-union posts on this site. Downplaying management's relentless labor fights as 'nationalistic overtones' is just his usual way of sanitizing C-suite hostility. He knows what he's implying; he just dresses it up in corporate jargon so people like you give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm just calling it out for what it actually is.

    5. betterbub Diamond

      @1990 your constant presence in the comment section is not less insufferable than the person you're replying to

    6. 1990 Guest

      betterbub, if you hate seeing the same username, I can use various sock-puppets, like Tim and others do, but, please understand, the points, the issues, those are what matter. And I'll keep advocating for workers and consumers (over management and shareholders) until Ben literally tells me I cannot any longer on here (it is his site, after all). For now, there's no limit on the number of comments (in fact, I think he and his...

      betterbub, if you hate seeing the same username, I can use various sock-puppets, like Tim and others do, but, please understand, the points, the issues, those are what matter. And I'll keep advocating for workers and consumers (over management and shareholders) until Ben literally tells me I cannot any longer on here (it is his site, after all). For now, there's no limit on the number of comments (in fact, I think he and his team prefer more engagement, it seems). So, bub, you got a point to make? Or just personal insults against me in-particular?

    7. betterbub Diamond

      My point is that your presence is insufferable. You aren't really in the position to comment on other people's commenting habits

      I also have a sneaking suspicion that you don't really fly a whole lot and a lot of the experiences you say you had are actually just conjured up in your head

    8. 1990 Guest

      Bub, the answer to speech you don't like is more speech. So, spit it out, other than attacking me, personally, do you wanna just finally be honest and address the specific thing you disagree on? Is it the workers rights issues inherent in this post? You anti-union? LH bothering you? Or, no, just more demands that I self-silence for your comfort?

    9. Glidescope Guest

      betterbub, I think you are attributing to malice what is boredom most likely. From the looks of things, 1990 retired early this year perhaps, and probably has been a whale with his points from OPM flying. So he's able to sit back in his Eames lounge chair (proudly bought at DWR many years ago at NYC retail prices), read his paper copy of the NYT, with Macbook on the side and comment on various points...

      betterbub, I think you are attributing to malice what is boredom most likely. From the looks of things, 1990 retired early this year perhaps, and probably has been a whale with his points from OPM flying. So he's able to sit back in his Eames lounge chair (proudly bought at DWR many years ago at NYC retail prices), read his paper copy of the NYT, with Macbook on the side and comment on various points sites as he looks for his next vacation spot. Because nothing says fighting for the little man than sitting on a $6k+ piece of furniture planning the next J flight from JFK. I'm sure he has no idea what the Howard Beach subway station even looks like, let alone been there.

      I've ribbed on him plenty before, but I feel he's harmless and well meaning though. Just oblivious in his UWS bubble.

    10. Tim Dunn Diamond

      1990 loves to argue just for the sake of arguing. But he rarely knows what he is talking about.

      and he can't stand that most of DL employees don't want to be unionized and are better off as non-union employees.

      does it seem even remotely possible that UA tapped a few people on the shoulder at LH and told them to look what UA has done in changing employee relations - and are right?

    11. 1990 Guest

      There it is! Tim finally removed the thin veil and is back to anti-United, anti-union, pro-Delta talking-points, like usual. And, every time you get backed into a corner on C-suite failure, you resort to calling people names and preaching the Gospel of Delta.

      Yes, United’s workforce is heavily unionized (ALPA, AFA, IAM) and just secured historic wage gains through aggressive collective bargaining. If LH tapped UA on the shoulder, United told them: "Pay your workforce,...

      There it is! Tim finally removed the thin veil and is back to anti-United, anti-union, pro-Delta talking-points, like usual. And, every time you get backed into a corner on C-suite failure, you resort to calling people names and preaching the Gospel of Delta.

      Yes, United’s workforce is heavily unionized (ALPA, AFA, IAM) and just secured historic wage gains through aggressive collective bargaining. If LH tapped UA on the shoulder, United told them: "Pay your workforce, sign real contracts, and stop wasting money fighting your own staff."

    12. Tim Dunn Diamond

      you're off your meds.

      most airlines are unionized including WN which has had very good employee relations for decades.

      DL just happens to have a model that works very well and compensates its people better than industry average - and you can't respect that but continue to push your socialist ideas.

      DL employees THEMSELVES have decided they don't unions.

      UA employees drink Kirby Koolaid by the bucketload and, no, they are not...

      you're off your meds.

      most airlines are unionized including WN which has had very good employee relations for decades.

      DL just happens to have a model that works very well and compensates its people better than industry average - and you can't respect that but continue to push your socialist ideas.

      DL employees THEMSELVES have decided they don't unions.

      UA employees drink Kirby Koolaid by the bucketload and, no, they are not all even close to paid industry leading wages.

      UA has managed to dramatically improve labor relations and not pay their people top tier wages; UA has even reason to tap its JV partner on the shoulder and tell them to consider a different model

    13. 1990 Guest

      "Off your meds" and "socialist"? Tell us you’ve run out of factual arguments without telling us, Tim. United's flight attendants literally just ratified an industry-leading union contract with top pay exceeding $100/hr and $740 million in ratification bonuses. That’s what strong collective bargaining delivers. Delta workers only see pay bumps when unionized legacy crews raise the floor for everyone else. Lufthansa tried your non-union pipe dream, and it cost them hundreds of millions in strikes....

      "Off your meds" and "socialist"? Tell us you’ve run out of factual arguments without telling us, Tim. United's flight attendants literally just ratified an industry-leading union contract with top pay exceeding $100/hr and $740 million in ratification bonuses. That’s what strong collective bargaining delivers. Delta workers only see pay bumps when unionized legacy crews raise the floor for everyone else. Lufthansa tried your non-union pipe dream, and it cost them hundreds of millions in strikes. Game over.

    14. Tim Dunn Diamond

      well, no.

      Tell us all the holes that UA managed to put into their contract so they don't have to pay out 5-6 weeks of profit sharing per employee - which non-union and union DL employees alike get.

      DL employees have had pay raises every year and have been able to spend their money rather than wait 5 years to get it.

      DL has the best employee relations strategy in the industry and it...

      well, no.

      Tell us all the holes that UA managed to put into their contract so they don't have to pay out 5-6 weeks of profit sharing per employee - which non-union and union DL employees alike get.

      DL employees have had pay raises every year and have been able to spend their money rather than wait 5 years to get it.

      DL has the best employee relations strategy in the industry and it pays off handsomely for all involved - unionization has nothing to do with it.

      You can't stand that non-union employees can win w/o having an intermediary siphon off money.

    15. 1990 Guest

      "An intermediary siphon off money"? That’s a funny way to describe a legally binding contract that guarantees baseline pay scales, protective work rules, and annual step-increases instead of rolling the dice on management's corporate bonus pool every February.

      Profit sharing is nice when times are good, but it doesn't pay a mortgage when earnings dip or a macro downturn hits (ehem). Delta employees get those yearly adjustments because legacy union carriers force the market rate...

      "An intermediary siphon off money"? That’s a funny way to describe a legally binding contract that guarantees baseline pay scales, protective work rules, and annual step-increases instead of rolling the dice on management's corporate bonus pool every February.

      Profit sharing is nice when times are good, but it doesn't pay a mortgage when earnings dip or a macro downturn hits (ehem). Delta employees get those yearly adjustments because legacy union carriers force the market rate up across the board, while non-union workers have zero legal recourse if management suddenly decides to alter the formula on a whim.

    16. Tim Dunn Diamond

      it's an intermediary... and most of DL's employees don't need one.

      DL has managed to pay more profit sharing than any airline in history. and the global economy has not exactly been consistent and tranquil for the past 20 years.

      You get the basic facts wrong, bud.
      DL was the first to raise salaries post covid and did it first w/ their pilots and then moved onto their non-union employees - years before...

      it's an intermediary... and most of DL's employees don't need one.

      DL has managed to pay more profit sharing than any airline in history. and the global economy has not exactly been consistent and tranquil for the past 20 years.

      You get the basic facts wrong, bud.
      DL was the first to raise salaries post covid and did it first w/ their pilots and then moved onto their non-union employees - years before any other carrier raised pay of every workgroup.

      None of which changes that LH employees are nowhere near killing their union. They would be happy w/ mgmt like AA or WN that get pay up to competitive levels quickly - even if they can't afford it.
      and even UA recognizes that if you feed your employees enough Koolaid, they will forget they are underpaid and abused.

    17. 1990 Guest

      "An intermediary"? You mean the union that Delta pilots used to secure their own contract?

      Let's not rewrite history, Tim. Delta's pilots are unionized with ALPA (since 1934), and they had to authorize a 99% strike vote before management finally coughed up that 31% cumulative pay raise.

      Delta has a great corporate culture, yes (largely because management knows they have to stay competitive to keep the rest of the frontline from organizing). But...

      "An intermediary"? You mean the union that Delta pilots used to secure their own contract?

      Let's not rewrite history, Tim. Delta's pilots are unionized with ALPA (since 1934), and they had to authorize a 99% strike vote before management finally coughed up that 31% cumulative pay raise.

      Delta has a great corporate culture, yes (largely because management knows they have to stay competitive to keep the rest of the frontline from organizing). But calling legally binding contractual protections an "intermediary siphoning money" is just anti-worker dogma.

      Keep cheering on the C-suite script, though. It still doesn't explain how breaking Lufthansa's unions would solve their billions in strike losses.

    1. 1990 Guest

      Still going for that gift card, huh? Hurry up, Tim's on your tail. 810 vs. 750 as of today. Go! Go! GO!!

    2. TravelinWilly Diamond

      "Still going for that gift card, huh? Hurry up, Tim's on your tail. 810 vs. 750 as of today. Go! Go! GO!!"

      ?

    3. 1990 Guest

      Did you forget about the new Community-rewards at OMAAT already? Sheesh. It's only been a week. Don't worry, you're winning, regardless. Keep it up!

  10. NDG Guest

    I'm a Ben Smith fan too, but I think you're painting too much of a rosy picture.

    He was loathed at Air Canada by airports and ifs employees for being in everyone's business, being overcritical, etc.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ NDG -- I can't speak to those specific sentiments, but if we're mentioning Air Canada, we also have to acknowledge that he was behind the 10-year pilot contract, which also resulted in the longest period of labor peace among pilots at the airline in history (to my knowledge).

    2. West Coast Flyer Guest

      I worked at AC for years and have nothing but the utmost respect for Ben Smith.
      He is a visionary and created some excellent products at AC.
      He is truly missed and AC is not the same standard it was 8 years ago sadly.

  11. Exit Row Seat Guest

    Do they have profit sharing at Lufthansa?? Great incentive device....just ask Delta!

    1. 1990 Guest

      You do realize Delta’s profit-sharing formula was negotiated by its pilots' union (ALPA); management only extended it to the rest of the company to keep other workgroups from organizing. So yes, union leverage built that "incentive device." Beyond that, a variable bonus check isn't a substitute for guaranteed base wages, humane scheduling, and pension protections that survive the next economic downturn. (Nice try...)

  12. 1990 Guest

    Good update, Ben. Bottom line: pay your people, respect their contract terms, stop trying to route legacy mainline flying to cheap subsidiaries, and focus on delivering a functional product. It shouldn't have taken 50,000 canceled flights and billions in losses for Frankfurt to figure out what Ben Smith realized in Paris 8 years ago. (And now, for the typical union-bashers to completely ignore the article, the details, the reality, and just say mean things about...

    Good update, Ben. Bottom line: pay your people, respect their contract terms, stop trying to route legacy mainline flying to cheap subsidiaries, and focus on delivering a functional product. It shouldn't have taken 50,000 canceled flights and billions in losses for Frankfurt to figure out what Ben Smith realized in Paris 8 years ago. (And now, for the typical union-bashers to completely ignore the article, the details, the reality, and just say mean things about workers, like usual...)

    1. AlanZ Member

      @1990:

      It is my fervent hope that Spohr treats his FA's as valued employees. As you know, I am a frequent flyer with LH. Almost to a person, they love working for LH, and they talk it up with passengers. The opposite is that they feel betrayed( I agree) by Spohr. As frequent passenger, they should fix it. And make roast goose available every day.

    2. 1990 Guest

      Well said, AlanZ. Most frequent flyers want the workers do be well-taken care of, in compensation, benefits, protections and treatment by the company they work for, because we realize, usually, when that happens, we get a more reliable, pleasant service (and more roast goose!) Hoping for better here.

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JdV Guest

Fighting with staff. Labour disputes. While trying to buy a share in TAP Air Portugal. Ok. What could possibly go wrong.....

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Stanley C Diamond

Carsten Spohr is a turn coat that should have been let go many years ago. Ben Smith is a huge aviation geek that can get the job done. Ben is an aviation geek who is also German so maybe Lufthansa should hire Ben and finally get a ‘Lucky’ break. And if Spohr is behind this supposed change of heart then there is more to it. He may want to do this to have a better presentation to get Lufthansa approved for a 44.9 percent stake in TAP Air Portugal. Time will tell.

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Frog Guest

Well, if they are at all serious about improving relations the very first step would be to can Spohr. I don’t see how they can start building trust while he’s still around.

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Michael_FFM Diamond

When I read that news first it felt like my head exploded in disbelief. I still think it will take many, many years to re-establish the trust which was destroyed over the last decade ( or even 2 decades?). And I will believe it when I see it, as the animosity on both sides is deeply ingrained in institutional memory. Letting Spohr go would be a good sign of good faith on Management‘s part.

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Samo Diamond

It's good that LHG's management finally realizes that they can't win this war - but I'm afraid that's what it is. A capitulation rather than change of attitude, and for that reason I don't think it's gonna work. The comparison to the job Ben Smith did is very on point, but his success was largely based on his personality and the way of thinking. In case of Lufthansa I'm afraid we're just seeing a bunch of guys worried about their KPIs. I will also be interested to see how this extends to Swiss, where there's a growing discontent with the airline being Lufthansi(shiti)fied, to the point of some cabin crews flat out refusing to mention Lufthansa Group in the PAs, despite officially being required to do so. I predict that this will be the arena where we'll see how much the LHG's management means what they say. (And I'm saying all that as someone who believes that EU3, or at least LHG and AFKL should move towards just using one brand. It's just extremely poorly executed on LHG's side, with the profitable part of the company being enslaved by the one that is losing money.)

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