Nuuk, Greenland (GOH), has been getting quite a bit of attention in recent times, especially with the airport having recently expanded. This allows for more international flights, including United’s seasonal flight from Newark (EWR).
However, something strange is going on, as flagged by JonNYC — effective tomorrow, the airport can’t accommodate departing international flights, and it’s anyone’s guess when these flights will be able to resume.
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International flights paused at Nuuk Airport
The Danish Civil Aviation and Railway Authority has announced that as of Wednesday, August 27, 2025, Nuuk Airport can no longer accommodate international departures, until further notice. As a result, it’s currently only possible to fly from this airport to other destinations in Greenland.
As you’d expect, this is having immediate impacts on airlines. United’s flight from Newark to Nuuk today ended up returning to Newark after takeoff.
You have to give United credit for its transparency in sharing the reasons for operational issues. As United explains it, this is because “Nuuk Airport has temporarily suspended all international flights, affecting all airlines.”
It sounds like this flight could’ve still landed in Nuuk today, but with the return flight scheduled for tomorrow, United understandably didn’t want to potentially strand a crew and passengers there.
What’s causing these issues? According to Greenland Airports, the suspension is because Danish authorities have decided that the training of staff for screening international travelers doesn’t meet standard requirements. So the airport still has its domestic safety certification, but international flights require different standards.
The airport authority is now working with regulators to address the specific concerns that have been identified, and the goal is to resume normal operations as soon as possible. However, it’s anyone’s guess how big of a project this will be… are we talking hours, days, weeks, or…?
The expectation is that Air Greenland’s international flights will route via Kangerlussuaq (SFJ) or Narsarsuaq (UAK), as the lack of certification is specific to this airport. One certainly wonders what exactly went wrong. Was there an audit that was failed, or is there more to this?
A few weeks ago, the airport made headlines because flights were delayed due to security staff going deer hunting rather than showing up for work. It’s not clear if that’s one of the factors that triggered this issue. While that makes a great story, you wouldn’t think that makes the airport unsafe, since people just couldn’t enter the secure area of the terminal when there weren’t enough staff.
This isn’t the first time something like this has happened
Here’s what I find fascinating. Almost a year ago to the date, Nuuk Airport also wasn’t able to screen outbound international passengers. This was seemingly for the same general reason — international flight authorization was yanked from the airport.
The explanation was that the airport didn’t meet “the necessary high level of security in the security area,” and “as airport security involves a high level of confidentiality, we cannot go into detail about which security measures are currently lacking.”
At the time, it seemed like that had more to do with some sort of a technicality, given that the airport was only newly accepting international flights. For example, a traveler who arrived on an international charter flight at the airport shortly before that last suspension wrote the following about the arrival experience:
“I didn’t show my passport to anyone. We went from the plane to the taxi. No one pointed us where to go and the hallway and doors seemed open. Maybe they forgot to direct us. I will happily get my passport stamped!”
So it’s anyone’s guess if the issue this year is the same as the issue last year, or what…
Bottom line
Nuuk Airport has temporarily had its international flight authorization revoked, due to some sort of a concern with security screening. The Danish Civil Aviation and Railway Authority is reportedly behind this decision, and this came so suddenly that United’s Nuuk-bound flight even returned to Newark.
It’s not often you see something like this happen, so I’m curious for how long this persists. It seems like some flights may just start routing through Kangerlussuaq so that passengers can be screened, but who knows…
What do you make of this situation at Nuuk Airport?
I flew in and out of Nuuk 2 weeks ago. super lucky and grateful for the opportunity but it's embarrassing that Denmark can't do better with managing its colony in front of the world. I have pages and pages to write about my extremely frustrating experience when flying out to Copenhagen how we got through the middle of security and they forced every single person including employees out into the ticket area. we sat and...
I flew in and out of Nuuk 2 weeks ago. super lucky and grateful for the opportunity but it's embarrassing that Denmark can't do better with managing its colony in front of the world. I have pages and pages to write about my extremely frustrating experience when flying out to Copenhagen how we got through the middle of security and they forced every single person including employees out into the ticket area. we sat and sat until they allowed us in through security with a single worker manually cross-checking our passport names to our boarding pass and not using the 4 automated scanning gates. no explanations nothing at all until we boarded a long while later when the SAS pilot announced there was a security breach. it was downright a s*hitshow and not how advanced country airports should run
I'm on a boat headed for Nuuk now. We are being told that there's a plan in place to reopen on 8/30. Also confirmed that Kangerlussuaq is still allowing departures.
Just what I'm told; ymmv.
I was on one of the United flights this month out of Nuuk, was the third flight since Aug 1 delayed by the reindeer hunting staff shortage. United did send someone over to have a talk with them, they were on our flight back.
Passport control was normal and seemed to be staffed by Danish border control when we came in and left.
I hope they get it together, bc there is a lot of potential there! Beautiful up in Ilulissat/Disko Bay.
The Danish government has summoned US diplomats as it seems US officials have been conducting nefarious operations in Greenland. At this point the rest of the world should realise that the current US administration are not our friends.
Damn right! I’m am American, and the current US administration is not my friend
How on earth is that related to the topic?
it is very much related.
Aviation is always related to government and international relations. While we can take the Danish government's statement that security processing is not up to par, it is entirely possible that reason is just an excuse for the bigger reason.
If UA's flights are back operating in a short time, then we will know it is just a security retraining issue. If it is longer, then there might be bigger issues.
Purely a guess... but maybe there's a concern about Federal Air Marshals actually being spies? Perhaps one of them is suspected of (or was caught) doing things inconsistent with his/her official duties? (Again, this is just a random guess and shouldn't be treated as a rumor.)
It is "likely" that the Denmark Government decided that in order to keep American troublemakers out they just would cut off all international travel
https://abcnews.go.com/International/denmark-summons-us-envoy-alleged-influence-operations-greenland/story?id=125012946&cid=social_twitter_abcn
This Tim dude seems to drink the Delta cool-aid on an hourly basis. The bias is off the charts.
he deals w/ facts that some people - mostly UA fans - cannot handle because of THEIR bias, not his.
Over the Atlantic, DL earned 33% more profit than UA did in 2024. Over the Pacific, DL got 63% of the profits that UA did - but given that UA's Pacific network is 2X the size of DL's, UA does not exactly earn any honors for being beat in profits by a smaller competitor.
...
he deals w/ facts that some people - mostly UA fans - cannot handle because of THEIR bias, not his.
Over the Atlantic, DL earned 33% more profit than UA did in 2024. Over the Pacific, DL got 63% of the profits that UA did - but given that UA's Pacific network is 2X the size of DL's, UA does not exactly earn any honors for being beat in profits by a smaller competitor.
To Latin America, UA earned 20% more than DL but, because the size of DL and UA's Latin American systems, the profit difference between the two's Latin America systems is just about the same.
and the region where DL and UA perform most comparably in profits - THE DOMESTIC SYSTEM. INCLUDING CREDIT CARD REVENUES.
Despite all of the fixation that UA fans have with UA's international network, they significantly underperform DL across the Atlantic and Pacific.
But these nutcases can't deal w/ facts that UA is NOT deploying its resources where it makes the most money and DL's "smaller" network across the Atlantic and Pacific makes more money for the amount of resources invested.
further, UA has very little domestic strength outside of its hub markets - not much different than was true at the time of the CO merger. And specifically in TX, DL is the 2nd largest airline by revenue or passengers boarded at DAL, DFW, and HOU as well as AUS.
I'm still waiting for the list of Texas cities where UA is the largest or second largest outside of IAH - and the silence is deafening in condemnation of UA's strategies even as these UA fan kids condemn DL's hub strategies that have delivered market strength.
and, no, UA isn't more "up front" They put more information on their website for all of the world to see, including their standby lists for flights - which is why someone accurately noted that the Nuuk flight is heavily filled with UA non-rev travel.
UA is trying desperately to catch up in the domestic market but is losing ground in NYC, has nowhere to grow in LAX - both of which is where DL is the largest carrier. and AA is fighting back hard in ORD as they have every right to do.
The bias is not mine but those UA fan kids that don't know the facts that UA's execs in Chicago know.
Genuinely curious Tim...genuinely.
Do you have any kind of association with Delta - like an employee of them or former employee or grew up in a family of Delta people?
Or are you just a huge admirer of their product and business model?
great question.
I have been following the global airline industry for more than 50 years, long before the domestic airline industry was deregulated in the US in 1978. I have timetables AND annual reports to stockholders that go back decades when airlines printed them.
There are 3 reasons why I have honed in on DL as my favorite airline
- I purchased a ticket and ended up on a flight on the Spirit of...
great question.
I have been following the global airline industry for more than 50 years, long before the domestic airline industry was deregulated in the US in 1978. I have timetables AND annual reports to stockholders that go back decades when airlines printed them.
There are 3 reasons why I have honed in on DL as my favorite airline
- I purchased a ticket and ended up on a flight on the Spirit of Delta, the 767-200 that was given to the company by its employees, shortly after it entered service. That plane and what it stood for has been well-written about but it was a huge experience in learning about a company that was as admired by its employees as Delta was and still is.
- While in college, I tutored a kid from the inner city of one of America's largest cities. He had only ever seen planes fly overhead. One day I took him to the airport (well before security as it exists now) and asked at the Delta ticket counter if there was a plane they could show my little friend. There was an L1011 that had just arrived, the crew was still onboard, and that kid's eyes were as big as saucers and he talked about that experience for months after that.
- I have watched DL navigate deregulation. It has not always been a path of success but DL has grown from the 6th largest airline in the US to the world's largest by revenue and with the highest market cap. DL has fully taken advantage of the opportunities that deregulation gave it and still is at the front of the industry.
I get that companies and people have their own stories but I continue to be impressed by what DL is and does. Doesn't mean that other companies don't do good work - but, in my mind, DL is simply among the top not just airlines but best companies in the world as was highlighted in the business and leadership book, Good to Great. Look at the companies that were featured in that book book and there aren't many that have continued to grow and transform as well as Delta.
Thanks Tim.
correction.
Delta is discussed in Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers: the story of success"
Interesting this is happening as news is reporting today Denmark is summoning US ambassador over intel that Trump admin is sending people to collect info that can be used to create division between Greenland and Denmark. They are trying to find issues that can be used to influence Greenland to become more America friendly and hostile towards Denmark. I’ve found that, in the world of politics, nothing is coincidental.
Danish media is reporting that US has done some kind of infiltration operation on Greenland, sounds like it could be connected to this story.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/moerklagt/centrale-kilder-maend-med-forbindelser-til-trump-forsoeger-infiltrere
Perhaps there's a concern that such an operation may be using Federal Air Marshals as a tool? (Purely a guess.)
Yesterday: Staff ran off to chase reindeer. Nuuk Airport closed to the world.
Today: Staff 'can't do' security. Nuuk Airport closed to the world. Again.
Tomorrow: Trump nukes Nuuk Airport. Whole world says 'good riddance to bad rubbish'.
Yes, the world revolves around Trump. And Americans wonder why they're considered morons in the rest of the world.
is this a bug or a feature?
maybe the locals dont want an influx of tourists - or they really dont care about silly things like 21st century immigration and customs?
maybe they are on to something...maybe ORD/EWR/etc can learn something from GOH?
How are they that bad at running an airport?? What a mess
Going hunting instead of showing up for work. Natives go'n native!
The population of all of Greenland is about the same as my zipcode in Virginia. Nuuk's population is about 20k.
I don't expect such a small country to have people with experience and knowledge on how to run a proper airport security operation. They need to bring in some advisors, and quickly.. or their tourism reputation will suffer.
Their tourism will not suffer. Its overwhelmed as it is, and flights will just come in via the other 3 airports as they have for years.
Who will suffer are the cruise companies who besides using United, bring in their own charter planes several times a week.
The locals are perfectly happy to let cruises which are leaches and contribute nothing to the local economy suffer.
No worries. Once Trump takes over Greenland, that airport will have hundreds of TSA agents. LOL
But only 1 scanner working at peak hours.
Long lines are because of TSA staffing not mismanagement.
My partner is stuck in Nuuk after the flight to Copenhagen was canceled. Based on this article, short of Greenland air doing a layover in SFJ is there any other way to get to Copenhagen or even the final destination of Rome? Frustrating they’d do this to people without any warning
I beg everybody here to collectively ignore Tim Dunn's posts and just let him be. He claims that the reason why he keeps posting here is because others are obsessed with him. I am not convinced if would work, but it's worth a shot. I usually don't respond his posts, since I know very well where his loyalty lies.
I'm in. I'll ignore him from now on.
Also, Timmy's logic is like that of a Tim Robinson character. Crash the party, draw attention to yourself with obnoxious behavior, then talk about how people at the party are "obsessed" with you.
thank you.
remember that I have also said I would give up ragging on United if UA execs can get through a quarterly earnings call w/o comparing United to another airline - notably all of those that don't have it together (everyone except DL and UA in their minds) and DL who UA thinks it is in DL's class.
I don't think either is going to happen - UA execs will get rid of their...
thank you.
remember that I have also said I would give up ragging on United if UA execs can get through a quarterly earnings call w/o comparing United to another airline - notably all of those that don't have it together (everyone except DL and UA in their minds) and DL who UA thinks it is in DL's class.
I don't think either is going to happen - UA execs will get rid of their inferiority complex or UA fans that get so wound up about anything remotely negative said about their mother, AKA corporate soul mate.
The whole airport operation at Nuuk almost seems amateur. From the unscheduled closing so we can all go hunting to this happening twice.
United's claim to fame and the favorite UA employee destination got wiped off the map? color me shocked.
maybe UA can use that plane to grow its presence in any one of scores of US cities where it isn't number one or two or even three
I’m sure the other major us 767 operator would be happy to throw one of their dumpster planes on this route.
Hahahaha, what a loser.
and you are on the seat of your pants for every word I write - which makes it no surprise I keep it up
It's true people are bizarrely obsessed.
This is an objectively bad thing for UA's Nuuk flight.
Is that the real reason why you keep up with your posts, Tim?
Here we are almost at the end of 2025 and people still reply to Tim as if he was a sane, rational individual. Give it up. He can’t control his mental issues. His condition is immediately triggered by the simple mention of UA or DL. Just let him talk to himself and let his wife help him.
Sure, his "wife"
You act like you are somehow different or better, yet here you are also replying to him.
They’re canceling a few flights due to circumstances beyond their control and that means the destination is wiped off the map? lol
Remember, UA outperforms DL in airline revenue and profits from airline operations. They also financially outperform DL in NYC, as seen in the huge revenue UA pulls in, relative to DL.
DL is trying to expand beyond their profitable fortress hubs in SEA and AUS, where they are underperforming the rest of...
They’re canceling a few flights due to circumstances beyond their control and that means the destination is wiped off the map? lol
Remember, UA outperforms DL in airline revenue and profits from airline operations. They also financially outperform DL in NYC, as seen in the huge revenue UA pulls in, relative to DL.
DL is trying to expand beyond their profitable fortress hubs in SEA and AUS, where they are underperforming the rest of the network and trailing strong number one carriers in those markets.
That’s why they’re adding LAX-HKG and LAX-ORD, places they’ll surely lose money but are trying to catch up to UA in network. And their RJ expansion in AUS will have very similar results.
Thank you, at least, for not bringing up another irrelevant comparison to Pan Am.
it is YOU, Mark, that keeps me coming back.
YOU are incapable of admitting that someone else does better than UA.
UA agreed to play by the same business plan as DL and yet UA underperforms DL in total revenue including credit card revenue.
UA flies 10% more ASMs than DL and yet it comes nowhere near generating even close to 10% more even passenger revenue than DL.
DL made 10X more money flying the...
it is YOU, Mark, that keeps me coming back.
YOU are incapable of admitting that someone else does better than UA.
UA agreed to play by the same business plan as DL and yet UA underperforms DL in total revenue including credit card revenue.
UA flies 10% more ASMs than DL and yet it comes nowhere near generating even close to 10% more even passenger revenue than DL.
DL made 10X more money flying the Pacific than UA did over the past 10 years, Mark.
Don't talk to any of us about how great UA does on the Pacific or anywhere else.
DL has built 2 new hubs over the past 10 years.
UA has SHRUNK its highest revenue hub, EWR. Get back w/ us with total revenue generated at NYC when that data is available AFTER June 2025, Mark.
Tell us the number of airports other than IAH in TX where UA is the #2 airline. I'll be waiting.
Yes, Pan Am was fixated on its global position and yet not only didn't generate anywhere close to class-leading profits but also neglected the things that matter including their domestic system.
AA and DL both generate far more domestic revenue than UA and yet people like you think that Nuuk is some indication of UA's superiority.
and thank you for acknowledging that DL's SEA and AUS hubs are profitable.
Tim, you don’t have to go anywhere. Your obsessions and baseless claims make you look foolish, but if you don’t see that none of us will convince you otherwise.
DL’s Pacific yields declined in Q2, UA’s did not.
UA will surely close the credit card revenue gap with their next Chase negotiations. They created the innovative Kinnective Media to ensure that.
UA’s EWR hub still has almost 400 flights a day with...
Tim, you don’t have to go anywhere. Your obsessions and baseless claims make you look foolish, but if you don’t see that none of us will convince you otherwise.
DL’s Pacific yields declined in Q2, UA’s did not.
UA will surely close the credit card revenue gap with their next Chase negotiations. They created the innovative Kinnective Media to ensure that.
UA’s EWR hub still has almost 400 flights a day with nearly 50 widebody departures. They have the efficiencies of a single hub, without relying on the RJ heavy LGA operation that is constrained by a perimeter rule. DL underperforms UA in NYC revenue, even with the May cancellations. Plus, that short term pain has leveled the NYC playing field long term, giving UA what they have wanted for so many years: slot constraints DL has enjoyed at JFK and LGA.
UA makes more revenue and profits from airline operations than DL. They have stronger hubs with more premium demand, sustaining UA’s larger premium cabins that will grow in size.
DL added SEA, but it’s an underperforming hub that has them reacting to AS by adding routes in response to them rather than leading the way. Plus, DL is adding HKG from LAX instead of SEA, where they would have been the only carrier on the route, tacitly admitting SEA has severe limits on what it will accomplish.
And the RJ heavy focus city in AUS, where they will soon be up against 200+ daily WN flights? That’s your hope for Texas?
And you’re comparing the PA domestic system to UA’s domestic system, where UA has almost 600 departures from DEN and ORD, 500+ from IAH, almost 400 from EWR, 300-ish from SFO and IAD, and 140 from LAX? All with 500 narrowbody mainline planes joining the fleet?
There are valid points you could make, but you sound ridiculous when you say that.
Mark,
we aren't talking about the future. I can't model it and neither can you.
Right now, DL leads in total revenue using the SAME business model that UA uses. You cannot just carve out credit card revenue because UA underperforms.
Doesn't matter how big UA is in ORD or IAH or anywhere else. THE SUM TOTAL of UA's domestic network trails AA and DL by a significant amount. and DL IS adding domestic...
Mark,
we aren't talking about the future. I can't model it and neither can you.
Right now, DL leads in total revenue using the SAME business model that UA uses. You cannot just carve out credit card revenue because UA underperforms.
Doesn't matter how big UA is in ORD or IAH or anywhere else. THE SUM TOTAL of UA's domestic network trails AA and DL by a significant amount. and DL IS adding domestic capacity as fast or faster than UA - which is precisely what I said would be the case. DL is NOT giving up its domestic position or any of it to UA.
If DL is saddled by such underperforming hubs like SEA as you think, then how come DL can still manage to make more revenue and profit than UA? Why can't you admit that UA has a significant amount of underperformance on UA's system - like 60% LFs to HKG, which is precisely why DL jumped in there to force UA to decide how much money UA wants to lose.
You might recall that UA dumped capacity into LAX-LHR when DL started that route on its own metal and then pulled one of them after DL pulled its metal. You don't suppose that this is a bit of karma, do you?
DL will continue to grow in the Pacific because it is now quite profitable - but UA STILL has made 1/10 of what DL has made across the Pacific over the past 10 years.
When you get through your thick head that AA, DL, UA and the whole lot are for-profit companies and maximizing returns to their owners is their FIRST responsibility. Flying to Nuuk, size in the Pacific or anywhere else simply does not matter if UA trails at the ONE THING it is supposed to be most focused on.
we could go on and on.
When you and others can simply admit the reality as it exists and not try to manipulate facts and cherrypick data to admit that UA really is not the end all and be all in everything.
UA does a good job w/ some things. DL does a good job with others - and the best job of US airlines at some things.
The sooner you can admit that and write it, the sooner things will take a different tact on here.
But in your opinion Tim, what should have Pan Am "focus most on the things that actually matter"?
I love that Mark is absolutely PANTSING lil Timmy these days
Mark is pantsing anything.
He is in full-scale lie and deflect mode because he can't admit that in the domestic marketplace, which is the largest for every US airline, UA trails AA and DL in domestic revenue by billions of dollars per year.
and I'm still waiting for a list of cities in Texas or most of the rest of the US other than UA's hubs where it is the #1 or #2 airline.
and,...
Mark is pantsing anything.
He is in full-scale lie and deflect mode because he can't admit that in the domestic marketplace, which is the largest for every US airline, UA trails AA and DL in domestic revenue by billions of dollars per year.
and I'm still waiting for a list of cities in Texas or most of the rest of the US other than UA's hubs where it is the #1 or #2 airline.
and, if the Pacific is profitable for UA, then it will be even more so for DL and will be stepping up its growth over the Pacific even more over the next 5 years.
and it sounds like DL is about ready to announce a pretty significant round of new flights to Europe and Saudi Arabia and India might be back on the route map - with a good chunk of those flights coming from NYC.
UA's revenue advantage - if it even exists anymore continues to shrink. When your competitor flies 30% more flights than you do, it isn't hard to see how UA's revenue advantage is falling.
eskimo,
build a domestic system instead of fixating on "sexy" international destinations.
The simple reason is that UA was so convinced that flying airplanes all over the world was more important than serving domestic markets and THAT is why they don't have a credit card contract that is anywhere close to what DL has or even what AA now has.
and, far all the talk about how big UA is in the Pacific, it...
eskimo,
build a domestic system instead of fixating on "sexy" international destinations.
The simple reason is that UA was so convinced that flying airplanes all over the world was more important than serving domestic markets and THAT is why they don't have a credit card contract that is anywhere close to what DL has or even what AA now has.
and, far all the talk about how big UA is in the Pacific, it has operated its Pacific network for the past 10 years basically at breakeven margins. 2015 was a good year in profits and then they went until 2023 before profits began to return - and those profits still trail DL on a profit per ASM basis.
quite simply, if UA was much more focused on maximizing profit instead of creating a sexy route system, they might succeed at the stuff that matters - including better compensating their employees and being able to afford to give better service.
Tim, though DL might have to choose between focusing on profits versus creating a “sexy” route network, UA does not have to choose.
UA makes more money from airline operations while overtaking DL in airline revenue. They’ve widened their lead across the Atlantic and the Pacific while strengthening all of their domestic hubs significantly.
UA has no need to choose between a fascinating route network, something we as aviation enthusiasts should all enjoy,...
Tim, though DL might have to choose between focusing on profits versus creating a “sexy” route network, UA does not have to choose.
UA makes more money from airline operations while overtaking DL in airline revenue. They’ve widened their lead across the Atlantic and the Pacific while strengthening all of their domestic hubs significantly.
UA has no need to choose between a fascinating route network, something we as aviation enthusiasts should all enjoy, and profits. Their financial results, impressive international network, and huge domestic growth are all testaments towards this.
The next few years and hundreds of aircraft deliveries will be very exciting to watch. The enhanced credit card revenue won’t be as exciting as the global and domestic route networks, but it is coming and will still serve to further grow UA’s lead.
Meanwhile, we’ll watch DL add some RJ routes to AUS while cutting others, while we also watch DL let AS determine their SEA strategy.
well, yes, Mark, UA DOES choose to run a less profitable network.
They make far less per ASM flying the Pacific than DL does.
and even if you wan to argue that global region profit isn't comparable, UA flies 10% more ASMs than DL and yet they don't get anywhere near to 10% more revenue or profits.
You want to argue about passenger only profits? Then show me why UA has done a...
well, yes, Mark, UA DOES choose to run a less profitable network.
They make far less per ASM flying the Pacific than DL does.
and even if you wan to argue that global region profit isn't comparable, UA flies 10% more ASMs than DL and yet they don't get anywhere near to 10% more revenue or profits.
You want to argue about passenger only profits? Then show me why UA has done a better job when it runs a larger operation and delivers less profits per ASM.
you simply can't stand that DL is already larger in multiple Texas cities than UA - INCLUDING AUS - and continues to grow while UA, almost a generation after the CO merger is still the largest or 2nd largest airline primarily just in its hubs.
and UA will be retiring hundreds of aircraft -the people in Chicago aren't stupid enough to spend millions of dollars on overhauls on 30 year old aircraft just so that nutcases like you can keep growing about growth.
UA has the oldest and least fuel efficient fleet among global airlines.
It has the oldest fleet among US airlines.
2/3 of UA's order book will have to go toward fleet replacement or UA's maintenance costs will dramatically increase - and the latter simply won't happen.
And UA simply cannot generate enormous amounts of cash to cover its massive deliveries which means its balance sheet will get worse than DL's. and just as a reminder, DL and WN have investment grade balance sheets. UA is in the same class as AS.
through the end of the year, EWR has less than 20% of total NYC departures
60% of domestic NYC departures are from LGA and DL operates almost half of those flights.
DL has simply overtaken UA as the largest carrier in the largest market in the largest segment (domestic).
You can spin how much UA has at EWR but everyone except you understands that the torch has been passed to DL and UA is the loser.
DL is #1 at LAX and in NYC. But you get to hold onto ORD so you got that going for you.
Tim, you're delusional.
This is Pan Am we're talking about. The Pan Am with history documented everywhere and you still got it wrong.
Yet you tell me to "Re-read the history of Pan Am and US global aviation"?
Go read what @Mark said about Pan Am history on the other post. He pretty much sums it up.
"sexy" international destinations isn't what brought down Pan Am.
just say it. All of you.
UA flies more ASMs than any other airline and doesn't generate more revenue. Doesn't even generate proportionately more passenger revenue.
UA is not much better off than it was 15 years after the CO merger. UA is #1 or #2 in fewer markets than any other big 4 airline.
UA has fixated on the international market and whines that it doesn't get as good of a credit card...
just say it. All of you.
UA flies more ASMs than any other airline and doesn't generate more revenue. Doesn't even generate proportionately more passenger revenue.
UA is not much better off than it was 15 years after the CO merger. UA is #1 or #2 in fewer markets than any other big 4 airline.
UA has fixated on the international market and whines that it doesn't get as good of a credit card deal as DL or AA. Who knew that US credit card issuers don't care about markets that are heavily foreign point of sale? Obviously, UA just figured that reality out a few years ago - but still is the smallest of the big 4 in the domestic market.
the Pan Am analogy IS appropriate. Sorry if it hurts so bad.
Tim, where do you get the idea that ASMs determine profit?
Profit comes from revenue versus costs and the resulting yield. Spirit went from being a very profitable airline to a very unprofitable one, not because of the size of the carrier but because of their yields.
But, for argument’s sake, you say UA underperforms DL in Asia even though the overall profits are similar, with UA actually outperforming DL in airline operations, and...
Tim, where do you get the idea that ASMs determine profit?
Profit comes from revenue versus costs and the resulting yield. Spirit went from being a very profitable airline to a very unprofitable one, not because of the size of the carrier but because of their yields.
But, for argument’s sake, you say UA underperforms DL in Asia even though the overall profits are similar, with UA actually outperforming DL in airline operations, and in overall profitability in Q1.
If all that is true, where does UA outperform DL to overcome this supposed deficiency in Asia?
Again, I don’t for a second believe UA underperforms DL in Asia, especially with DL’s large drop in TPAC yields in Q2, but I’m curious where you think UA outperforms DL to get the overall profits back up.
They can’t underperform everywhere and still make more money from airline operations than DL.
Tell me a single airport in Texas where Delta has a higher market share at the moment than #3. I’m not sure they quite have overtaken AA in AUS yet, even if they are on the verge of doing so. And no, I’m not going to count their one route to ATL from HOU giving them the number 2 position with a whopping 2-3% of passenger traffic.
We all know Tim that nothing is going to change your broken mind.
Like DL, at least now we know not to discuss about Pan Am history or it's shortcomings with you too.
Juan Trippe and Ed Bastian would thank you for your oblation.
UA isn’t perfect (and I say this as a former DL loyalist who only switched over to UA because I relocated to Houston and I only travel enough to achieve a level of status that doesn’t make going out of my way to fly any airline worth it), but there are definitely some areas where they are superior to DL.
For one thing they are typically up front about providing passengers with a more...
UA isn’t perfect (and I say this as a former DL loyalist who only switched over to UA because I relocated to Houston and I only travel enough to achieve a level of status that doesn’t make going out of my way to fly any airline worth it), but there are definitely some areas where they are superior to DL.
For one thing they are typically up front about providing passengers with a more detailed reason for cancelling or delaying flights. I highly doubt DL would have explained in an easily accessible way like their app why the flight to Nuuk was cancelled if they were flying the route right now, if at all. Why can’t DL be more forthcoming about IRROPS like UA is a lot of the time.
Also, you know full well that UA’s cuts at EWR aren’t entirely voluntary. They can’t control FAA staffing decisions and only have some say in the operations of EWR. Even with their dominance at EWR, the Port Authority is not as easy to bully around as most airport operators.
Hey Delta fanboy, Nuuk didn't get "wiped off the map". United has already announced resumption of seasonal service to Nuuk in 2026. You sound jealous of the fact the United flies to so many more international destinations of interest and Delta serves London. At this point, you just sound kinda dumb bro.
I was going to say, similar to your comment from the Charter of last year, I was on a *scheduled* flight to Nuuk last year from Iqaluit on Air Greenland. No one asked to see passports or anything and my experience was exactly the same. Went straight to taxis no customs or anything.
I left Greenland that trip on Icelandair and we had to make an unscheduled stop in KUS due to the security situation...
I was going to say, similar to your comment from the Charter of last year, I was on a *scheduled* flight to Nuuk last year from Iqaluit on Air Greenland. No one asked to see passports or anything and my experience was exactly the same. Went straight to taxis no customs or anything.
I left Greenland that trip on Icelandair and we had to make an unscheduled stop in KUS due to the security situation there. But when I arrived in KEF, still no stamp. So I basically had entered Europe and the Schengen zone without actually ever going through customs control, it was wild!
Oh no, that idiot from LAX might think Greenland would need to hunt more reindeer or be starved to death.