Lol, Oops: Downgraded From Lufthansa Allegris First Class

Hi from the Lufthansa Lounge at Newark Airport! As I wrote about a few days ago, my dad and I are supposed to fly Lufthansa’s new Allegris A350 first class tonight, which is the whole point of this trip. Well, that won’t be happening as planned, at least not as intended. This has been quite the fascinating saga so far, so let me update y’all, as this is happening live…

Houston, or Frankfurt, or Munich, we have a problem!

My dad and I are off on an adventure, and we’re supposed to fly Lufthansa’s Allegris A350 first class tonight from Newark to Munich. Long story short, we had confirmed business class tickets, and I paid $1,990 per person to upgrade us to first class. I did this for a couple of reasons:

  • Due to my mom’s terminal cancer, I haven’t traveled much with my dad in recent years (I instead prioritized travel with her), so I wanted to treat him to something nice, and make up for all the trips we haven’t taken
  • There was a blog angle to this, since we could try both the standard Allegris first class seat, plus the Allegris first class double suite, in the center of the cabin, which I know many OMAAT readers are mighty curious about

Not that it should matter, but just to clarify, I used Lufthansa’s instant upgrade feature, which is always available as long as the “A” fare class is available. So this wasn’t some airport upgrade confirmed just a few hours before departure.

I upgraded us to Lufthansa Allegris first class

My dad and I met up at the Lufthansa Lounge Newark this afternoon. We checked into the lounge with our first class boarding passes (I was assigned 1A, my dad was assigned 1D), and the agent even invited us to use the first class dining section.

Lufthansa Lounge Newark seating

About an hour later, I returned to the reception desk of the lounge, and asked the agent if she could print our boarding passes. She looked at her screen in a confused way, and then said “the system shows you as being waitlisted for first class.”

I figured she must just be looking at something wrong. I told her I was confirmed in first class, and showed her my mobile boarding pass. She picked up the phone, and once that phone call was complete, told me the news — my seat, 1A, was inoperable, and I wouldn’t be able to sit in it.

I’m in first class, I swear!

The other first class window seat was occupied, so she told me the other option — I could share the center suite with my dad! One of the bizarre aspects of the Allegris first class product is that there are only three first class seats, and the center suite can be shared by two people, if they so choose (but at no point are any passengers ever supposed to be forced to accept that — it’s entirely discretionary).

Lufthansa Allegris first class single suite
Lufthansa Allegris first class double suite

The center suite looks rather tight for two people. I ideally wouldn’t share it with Ford (compared to two separate first class suites), let alone my dad. So I told her that we weren’t really interested in that, essentially having us go from two suites to one suite. However, she explained that the only alternative was being downgraded to business class, and receiving a refund of the upgrade cost.

Of course it wasn’t her fault, but I asked for her to have a manager contact me, since that’s not really acceptable:

  • It’s just plain bad customer service to not offer any sort of compensation when someone is involuntarily downgraded
  • The European Union actually regulates what compensation passengers are entitled to under EC261, as those who are downgraded are entitled to a 75% refund; however, of course this gets a bit tricky when you upgrade to first class with cash, if you redeem miles, etc.

This is just not good customer service. If I wanted a business class seat, I wouldn’t have paid nearly $2,000 per person to upgrade us. I paid the cash upfront, and the upgrades can’t be refunded back to the original form of payment. Meanwhile if Lufthansa wants to cancel the upgrade on me, they think they can do that without any downside.

The situation went downhill, and then slightly uphill

While waiting in the lounge, I eventually got a call from a phone number from Germany, and answered. The person identified herself as working for the HON Circle line. Wow, this is Lufthansa’s top service line, surely I’m going to get great service… right? Sadly, this conversation did not go well.

At first, she explained that seat 1A was broken “due to electronic motion,” but said that it wasn’t a problem, as she could assign us seats 1D and 1E. Those two “seats” are in fact just the double suite, which simply isn’t a decent alternative, but she didn’t seem terribly understanding of why that might not be an appealing option.

As an alternative, she said one of us could be downgraded to business class, and receive either a refund of the upgrade cost ($1,990), or €2,000 cash compensation. I expressed how that didn’t seem like a very generous upgrade offer.

Her response? “It’s your opinion.” She explained that in her opinion, this offer was very fair, as I was getting back what I paid for the upgrade in the first place. What utterly awful customer service. Like, I understand if there’s nothing else she’s empowered to do, but basically telling me “it’s [my] opinion” isn’t exactly what you’d expect from the highest levels of customer service at an airline.

While I was on the phone call, the agent from the lounge came to fetch me and presumably had an update, but I explained I was on the phone with a Lufthansa representative. So the second I hung up, I went to go see her. At this point, the lounge manager, Sebastian, was there as well.

He was super professional — obviously this situation is no one’s fault, and I understand they’re all working within certain systems, and don’t have that much authority. What shocked me is that he said he was told by the HON Circle line that we had accepted the downgrade and that we were briefed on the situation, long before the phone call I had just gotten off of. This is 100% inaccurate — I had no clue about the downgrade, and hadn’t been contacted by any method that I could see.

He was super apologetic, and explained that he was ultimately limited in what he could do. Eventually the duty manager, Lloyd, also showed up. Honestly, Lloyd and Sebastian were great, unlike their HON Circle line colleague. I appreciate they were honest with me.

Lloyd understood how sharing that double suite didn’t interest us, but also explained that he was limited in terms of the authority of what he could do. Usually I don’t like to agree to something I’m not 100% happy with, but I also didn’t want to entirely leave this up to a customer relations communication after the fact, where I could see myself being in a never-ending communication loop, and not getting anywhere.

So we accepted the €2,000 compensation, and we downgraded my dad to business class. In virtually any other situation, I’d of course put my parents in the more premium cabin, but literally the reason I took this trip was to review Allegris first class. So my dad is 100% okay with it, and we’re going to be doing some nice things for him when we get to Europe. On top of that:

  • My dad was booked into one of the business class suites, which at least offer a bit more space (I specifically asked for this)
  • The duty manager will request with the crew that he can have the first class meals with me; after all, the food was catered for everyone, and I am in a double suite, so…

Funny enough, you guys are actually sort of getting a review of the Lufthansa Allegris double suite experience, even if that wasn’t the initial intent.

My dad will be in a business class suite

What an underwhelming customer service situation

Sebastian and Lloyd at Newark were both professional, and clearly did everything they could to help, so kudos to them. However, big picture, what an underwhelming and frustrating situation:

  • You have a nearly new plane with just three first class seats, and one of them is inoperable, and that’s kind of an issue; c’mon, Lufthansa, do better!
  • Lufthansa knew the seat was inoperable (after all, the plane was coming from Munich), but didn’t inform me; I only found out when I asked to have a boarding pass printed, and the agent was confused
  • The lady on the HON Circle line provided horrible customer service; I understand if she’s limited in terms of what she can do, but when I expressed I wasn’t pleased with what was being offered, she became combative rather than apologetic
  • I also don’t appreciate the HON Circle agent reportedly telling the Newark ground staff that I had been briefed on what happened and accepted the downgrade, when that’s just patently false
  • This Allegris double suite concept is so dumb, and there’s no better example of that then basically trying to squeeze two passengers into this space when one seat is broken
  • It’s disappointing that Lufthansa doesn’t give its duty managers more latitude in terms of how they can fix a situation

It’s not surprising, but as you’d expect, the level of customer service between Lufthansa Allegris first class and Air France La Premiere first class is just night and day. And that’s fair, because Air France is priced higher. But if Lufthansa wants to get out of British Airways’ league and into Air France’s league, this is a prime example of the kind of service you don’t provide.

Bottom line

Our Lufthansa Allegris first class adventure hasn’t exactly gone as planned, due to an inoperable seat. Seats break (ideally not on nearly new planes where a cabin has just three seats, but I digress), though it’s the way that airlines handle it that matters.

While the Lufthansa ground staff in Newark did what they could, the lack of proactive communication, the rude HON Circle line agent, the attempt to push us into a double suite, the misinformation about us having agreed to the downgrade, etc., all don’t exactly seem like stellar customer service.

Anyway, it is what it is. Stay tuned, because it should be an interesting night of flying, and I can’t wait to experience this long (long, long, long) awaited product!

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Brett Guest

Yea some of these seats are conceptually kinda stupid imo. The Q-Suite 4 way is a little ridiculous, you'd have to have the money to afford 4 business class seats, on a specific plane that offers the product etc etc. Like it just seems super niche to me. BUT, the upshot with that is they are individual seats, so if no one is trying to buy that, the seats can still be used in a normal and pretty private fashion. This middle suite thing seems like the brainchild of someone who was just like "well our suites are X width and the plane is X+20%, why don't we just shave the middle one down and call it a double". Sure, if a honeymooning couple wants to sit in kinda cramped quarters cuz they think it's romantic or whatever, I guess. But again it seems so niche, and they still have to pay for 2 seats? There should at least be a small discount between buying 1A and 1K versus buying 1D/E. I mean if 3 people book F and you get gifted the middle one, it might be cool, but a lot of people like to look out the window (personally I don't really get it but that's just me) so maybe you wouldn't even wanna get it gifted to you. I appreciate they wanna maximize space and revenue, but the whole LH Allegris rollout is kind of a mess. I'm still excited for my first (and probably only) LH Allegris J flight coming up, but the seat selection prices are nuts.

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Anthony Guest

Sorry to hear about this trouble Ben. For many years we try our best to avoid German Customer Care, be it Lufthansa and Swiss before that, now combined for the worst. The are rude and not understanding global business. I once had a young man who apologised and told me, this is how we treat people in Germany. Lufthansa forgets it is a global airline. Even hotels. We have found Hyatt Director of customer care in Germany to be out right vitriolic in her replies to us. We are American, our Globalists concierge is in America for years and has handled everything from our around the globe travels. We had a terrible experience in London; the Hyatt manager of Europe Michel Morauw with his Laila Marinello controlled the situation to bring our complaint to Germany because the hotel is under his control. Horrible Although it should go to the USA. We contacted management in the USA, and it seems embarrasing for them to bring our complaint to the USA. Once again German customer care. You listen to us, never mind your rights or opinion. They just don't get it, well their management needs to be international, because it seems one size fits all for them.

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Michael Guest

Dear Mr. Schlappig, Sorry to express it so hard, but your blog just shows that you are missing some basic behaviors. Firstly you state in your article that "Due to my mom’s terminal cancer, I haven’t traveled much with my dad in recent years (I instead prioritized travel with her), so I wanted to treat him to something nice, and make up for all the trips we haven’t taken". Then one of the two people of your party gets downgraded. That's bad and I don't want comment on Lufthansa's way of treating the situation. But then, guess what, you didn't let your father take the First Class seat, but you took it yourself. There you can see how selfish you are and how much you miss basic social behaviors.

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Erik Guest

About a year ago Lufthansa made a mistake and did not add my lap infant correctly to my wife’s award flight itinerary. While at the airport my wife had to purchase a $3,000 one way ticket for economy due to Lufthansa’s error. The error was clearly documented in Lufthansa’s system yet we were told we would not be reimbursed for the out of pocket expense caused by Lufthansa’s carelessness. Lufthansa’s customer service’s sole purpose was to make it cumbersome enough to make it so that we would not get reimbursed for mistakes made. It wasn’t until I complained to the US Department of Transportation that we received a refund and nothing in addition for the treacherous 4 months Lufthansa put us through.

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Martin Guest

You are proteceted by the 261 regulation as LH is an EU airline flying to an EU countrry. You are entitled to a refund of 75% of the total fare ie the upgrade fee plus the original fare for that sector. It doesn't matter how you paid. Miles still count. I'm not sure how it works in Germany but for BA flights in the UK we have an arbitration service, CEDR, the decision of which is binding on the airline. Alternatively the leagal route is Monye Claim Online. I dont have the reference but I read a case of someone who bought a BA ticket with AA miles and was downgraded. BA offered a small amount of cash so they went to CEDR under 261. (We have our own version now which is essentially the same as the EU version). It was an open and shut case and BA didn't even contest it. They got 75% of the cash value of the AA miles, based on the purchase price online, plus 75% of the non tax element of the cash paid for the downgraded sector.This was far more than what BA initially insisted was a fair amount.

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