While go arounds happen all the time, here’s an interaction you don’t often hear…
Continue reading: United Regional Jet Pilot Blames Go Around On 777, Gets Schooled By ATC
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What is this, bash-the-pilots day at OMAAT? Mistakes happen. Glad everyone’s alright.
@ 1990 -- I don't think there's any bashing of pilots or air traffic controllers in this post. As I explained, I think it's an interesting interaction, and I don't know which side was in the right.
You’re good, Ben. Nice to report on what’s happenin’. Just bustin’ balls ova’ere. Sowie.
I certainly don’t think the article bashed the pilots, but “gets schooled by ATC” in the headline made me think that the story would indicate wrongdoing by the pilots. Always happy to see anyone err on the side of caution.
Is it just me or did the 777 start to inch forward in the last 2 seconds of the video? Wish video was just a tad longer.
The edge to edge distance between 28L and 28R is 550ft enough to fit two 777s. If this 777 was correctly holding short of the line to 28R, it would be quite a bit away from 28L. May be it wasn't quite up to the hold line in front and left the tail hanging out just a bit where both ATC and RJ pilot could have been right seeing from their perspectives.
The pilot carried out a dynamic risk assessment upon approach. His decision to abort the landing on safety grounds is 100% is unquestionably valid. For ATC to question the pilots call, in my opinion, brings that ATC action into question.
What would be really interesting to hear is the 777/ATC conversion.
"The pilots of the United Express jet had no incentive to make up a fake reason for the go around,"
If they were 1000 feet too high and 25 knots too fast, no one would care if that was the real reason?
No, honestly, no one would care if that was the reason, and if you listen to any ATC with any frequency you'll hear that reason a lot. Although you'll hardly hear it with that specificity, but a general response of unstable.
Although this is an interesting placement for the article right after one talking about pilots concerned with cockpit voice recordings being leaked as invalid.
WhoIsRS — Yeah, the titles don’t always match the conclusions of the posts, but, I suppose it’s one way to get us to click, read, and find out. I’m thoroughly amused, either way.
I wonder why he was sitting there. Why didn’t he takeoff on 28L rather than cross it? I assume there are hold short lines in both directions. Could he have stopped at the hold short line for 28L rather than 28R? Probably not but I don’t fault SkyWest for going around.
The other take on this is the CRJ went around because on final the 777's tail Was over the line and by the time ground control asked and looked the 777 had moved forward.
Kudos to CRJ. Both for safety and then for NOT CONTINUING the response when control tower got snippy long after the event had passed making his delayed response irrelevant and probably incorrect.
@FlyerDon
No. A runway "hold line" is actually 4 lines, 2 solid lines followed (or preceded by) 2 dashed lines.
As you start to cross over these lines ...
... if the 2 dashed lines are closer (IE: exiting the runway), you may cross over w/o explicit permission
... if the 2 solid lines are closer (IE: entering a runway) you may NOT crossover until explicate permission is granted.
Thus a pilot approaching the runway in front can't confuse the hold line for the runway behind them (for a plane going the opposite direction) as being the hold line for a runway in front.
I agree with you that is how it should work but these days there is a lot happening that shouldn’t be happening. Their are a lot of new captains taxiing their first widebody!