As I recently wrote about, we’re taking a winter ski trip to Niseko, Japan, staying at four different points properties. I’ve already shared the return portion of the trip that I booked, where I’ll be flying ANA’s A380 first class and Hawaiian’s 787 first class. However, I didn’t finalize the outbound portion of the trip…
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Ben, this is awesome! Question: I notice that AA and Qantas seem to have the most access to JAL F awards. For those of us that have a lot of miles in other programs (in my case, Alaska), is it true that other programs just don’t have access? I would love to book one of these as well, but just don’t have the ability to earn that many AA miles, and I find it frustrating that other partner programs don’t have access to the same availability.
Kudos for the find, we all know the thrill (if you're lucky). Can you share how you have your friends reimburse you for the miles you presumably booked using your AA miles single-handedly? When booking for those outside of our immediate household we all fall into this trap. Curious what your strategy is.
I came in here to tell the "yeah but you're a blogger" joke and after reading further down I see you were way ahead of me lol.
Right. Get that you had to be quite persistent, checking every 30 minutes when you were at your computer. Also understand the tools you used:
- American Airlines website (primary)
- Google Flights
- Seats.aero
- ExpertFlyer
How many days were you working on this? I know you booked four days ahead of your flight - just curious how many days were spent on this.
I just completed a trip with four JAL First Class reward flights for 2. Same strategy - booked J and when F opened changed. And for the returning flight last Thursday - there were 4 F seats that opened, since the flight was completely empty. Shortly after booking my 2, 2 remained but they were gone within an hour. Only 5 people out of 8 on the flight. After the 4 are gone, JAL doesn't release anymore - so there were 3 empty seats. One my four flights - they all had empty seats out of the 8. From one to 3 empties.
Flights were: ORD-HND, HND-SYD, BKK-HND, HND-ORD - all JAL F for 2. Also had a QF J from SYD-BKK (only has J on the Finnair aircraft operated by QF). It is winter so flights are easier to get. Had to delay our flight from HND-ORD since I know I would miss the F seats since the seats would open while on the QF SYD-BKK, which doesn't have Wifi. Also - JL has fast wifi free for F passengers.
When checking in at HND - JL has a special F only check in room with private wood paneled security check point - very nice.
Someone posted that exact flight as available on award travel Reddit. The guy cancelled 4 F seats. Maybe you got that flight.
Well done. I was fortunate to bag JL F last year from JFK for 80k AA miles, though it wasn’t the new one. I was the only passenger in F, so they set the bed up in the seat next to me.
Ben that's so generous of you to take my wife and I with your family to Japan 🙂
When AA introduced LP and Simplemiles was introduced they had a promo for a charity donation - of 40 miles per dollar. And they had a promo with 6x to go along. so 240 miles per dollar donated. Ben spend $30,000 and got 7,000,000 AA miles. This got cut off - but AA honored those that snagged it. Hence Ben has 7M AA miles to spend. And I guess that is why he did not earn anything but Gold last year on AA.
@ Zach -- Most partner programs have access to the same space on Japan Airlines, though Alaska Mileage Plan is tricky. Not only does the program often not have availability close to departure, but it often has access to the actual availability minus one. So if there are only two first class award seats, only one will often be bookable through mileage Plan. Super frustrating, I know...
@ SAN77WSEA -- In this case, our friends also have American AAdvantage miles, so we were in contact, and they booked two seats exactly the same time we did.
@ Nice catch! -- I started looking seriously a week out, figuring availability would open within a few days. And sure enough, that's what happened. Prior to that, I was looking much less consistently.
@ Evan -- I imagine that was another flight, since the flight I was looking at was showing "F7" up until I booked, meaning seven seats were available for sale.
@ Hobbs -- Having an empty first class cabin is a pretty special experience, eh?
@ Jacob -- I do have a lot of AA miles through the SimplyMiles deal there was some time back. However, generally speaking, I don't keep huge balances with programs, but am always earning and burning.
This is a great get, for sure. For those of you doubters out there, SFO and ORD are probably the JAL routes where awards are released the most, with JFK being the most difficult to book.
In the past, I have been able to book 3x JAL F awards (JFK-HND), but in my experience it comes in drips and drags — grab one seat, another becomes available, etc. The fact that 4 were available at once is phenomenal.
"It makes one first class award seat available as soon as the schedule opens"
Yep, I can attest to this. I was that one person who snagged two one ways last October for my trip to Tokyo in September 2025, the moment availability opened up, I was on that seat like white on rice.
Enough time for British First Dining at SFO? I guess you need first class tickets with no Oneworld status…
What about new first on the 350? With 6 seats, how are they doing that, if at all?
I've seen a few flights with F5 A0.
Can one assume that if there is no A class inventory then awards won't be possible?
This is using AA miles.
@ Sel, D. -- Absolutely, it's nice how JL F passengers get access to that. I'll have a full review.
I love this post.
Persistence and patience definitly pay but many people believe someone use "magic bullets" and are looking for it.
@ Al -- It's a similar system, and I wrote about it here:
https://onemileatatime.com/insights/redeem-miles-japan-airlines-a350-first-business-class/
Of course with just six seats, snagging multiple award seats is significantly more difficult. I wouldn't assume that no "A" class means no first class award space with certainty, but more often than not, that will be true.
Everyone's experience is different, of course. "YMMV" is one of the pillars of the game, along with "earn and burn".
But I have to say that myself and everyone I know who uses points for high-level redemptions (>6 cpm) have always found a way to make big itineraries/goals work with persistence, flexibility, early planning and patience. Maybe not 4 F seats on JL but certainly couples or families flying J or a mix of parents in F, kids in J.
In short, reports of the demise of points usability (see: NYT recently) are premature. But it's probably better that it's the perception of the general public.
Any hints about snagging F on ANA’s The Suite? Is it easier to book C and use points to upgrade? If going for an upgrade, is it still RT only?
For once I can one-up Ben. I got five F awards on a single flight in the summer of 2022, a few months before Japan reopened to tourists. Originally booked 2 on HND-JFK and 3 on NRT-JFK about 48 hours out, then was able to move everyone over to HND-JFK about 24 hours out.
JAL is definitely more stingy with A350 routes vs 777 routes for last minute F and even J awards. For US routes, its quite common to see last minute F/J to/from SFO/ORD with 777 and much less so on DFW/JFK routes.
Great post.
I could use some advice. I have LAX-HND booked through BA for next October, 1 F and 1 J. How best to handle it if an additional F on the same flight becomes available.
1) Pay more through BA to change the ticket?
2) Book through AA for less, and then cancel the BA J ticket?
I'm concerned that if I do #2, I might wind up with losing the F booking due to JAL catching it as a duplicate. If I'm correct, JAL needs to confirm the F booking, it doesn't ticket automatically. But I don't want to cancel the BA J ticket until I have the F ticket confirmed.
A similar situation - I have 2 J returning. If it's another day, easy, happy to extend the trip a few days. But if it opens on the flight I"m on, a similar issue.
Ben, how would you handle it?
Agreed. I have an ORD-NRT F seat in early January. There seems to be steady(ish) availability there.
Ben did you cancel the J flights then rebook, or did you call AA to make the modifications to the original award flights, or did you double book then cancel the J flights?
This is amazing! Are you able to share approximately what time the available seats appeared? Thanks!
Used it last year and it was meh. Odd little room where it feels as if everyone is staring at each other. And every 10 minutes or so someone from the J lounge wanders in and you hear the same repeat story from the server on who has access. I was disappointed actually and I went in with low expectations with it being a BA lounge.
Never in First - but consistently grabbed 7 Biz Class Seats over Christmas for the family
We have done DFW-AUH-CMB and DFW-NRT-BKK and DFW-NRT-KUL. These were all pre covid - nowadays it is a struggle to even get 2 on popular routes.
I am pretty sure JL F is not available on AS now. Business is 1 fewer seat, but all F are blocked. Have not seen one in months. Same with CX F and CX J in all markets, all HU flights, and SQ J and F longhaul.
From the article it sounds like you were only looking at the SFO flight, but I assume you were looking at departing from any U.S. city served by JAL? And maybe ANA?
Was your original Biz flight also out of SFO?
Great “how did I ticket this” piece and would love to see more.
Have managed ex ORD first annually for many years 11 months out, but now... zilch.
I am one of those persons who grabbed F seats once availability was released. Did that for my trip from and to ORD at 80K miles each segment last year, for travel later this year. Travel is on the 77W but it's in First, so I have absolutely no complaints.
So you already had J seats on AA? If that is the case, how do you "upgrade" the J to F?
I'm going there next winter and looking at options on best ways to get there.
BTW... what airport are you flying in to? And how are you getting to Niseko? I'm doing the same thing next year.
Why does the price for first class SFO-HND show as over $110,000 in your Google Flights screenshot? When I try the same route on that day it comes up to $14,000.
@ Patrick -- The JL flight is SFO to HND, and then we're connecting HND-CTS on JL to get to Niseko.
@ Patrick -- We had an itinerary in business class, yes. The easiest way to "upgrade" if space opens up is to just redeposit the award that you had, and then rebook a new itinerary.
@ Nate Nate -- Correct, we were looking at availability out of any gateway, and SFO just had the most seats for sale, so it's what I set my sights on. With ANA, I find it's almost impossible to book multiple award seats in first class, so while I kept an eye on it, I didn't have much hope.
Nope, original flight wasn't from SFO. But the icing on the cake was that an hour after we booked SFO-HND, saver level business class award availability also opened from MIA to SFO.
@ Return -- Once you start the search on aa.com, just very quickly save the first URL that appears. That did the trick for me.
@ Beyan -- I just held the new itinerary, then redeposited the old itinerary, and then booked the new itinerary.
@ beachfan -- I wouldn't worry about the duplicate situation, especially if it's only brief and you're booking through two programs. So I'd book through AA for less, and then cancel the BA ticket.
Thanks! Don't I need to wait until confirmation from JAL? I guess once I have a ticket number, I'm ok.
Just did the same for a trip 10 days ago. Continual searching. Also search a day or two before, to try and figure out the patterns. I was generally seeing westbound availability 6 days out, and Easbound 5 days out! Was a great ride!
To claim that all these trips are booked using points is just a lie. I’m glad you’re able to find award availability and let us all know, that’s really helpful, but to constantly claim you’re actually booking these flights using points… it’s disingenuous. You either have the best points manufacturing technique ever, or you’re paying cash.
You'd be surprised. In the last three months of 2024 there was a method that manufactured nearly millions of oneworld/star alliance partner miles but rinse repeating. This all seems like a dream but around a hundred people got off with around a couple million points.
Lucky whenever I Bookmark the the AA url and pull it up I get a "Session Expired" message. Anything I'm missing.
How do you switch from business to first? Did you call the airline up directly? Or transact yourself?
I see from Google flights some dates in the upcoming week have at least 5 seats on First Class being available but no availability on AA website. Verified they are indeed available on JAL's website so wonder why they do not release at all..........