Japan Airlines has just placed a massive aircraft order, which will see the airline acquiring jets from both Airbus and Boeing. Perhaps what’s most interesting here isn’t the order as such, but rather how much Japan Airlines plans to grow its international network.
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According to Japanese media, JAL CEO said that most of the newly delivered 787-9 will go to ZIPAIR. Deliveries will be from 2027 to 2033.
JAL still has 9 international 767-300ER, and a few of them are more than 20 years old, so a350-900 could replace them in near future.
Wonder how this week’s interest rate hike (first time in 11 years in Japan) impacts this order.
Big W for Airbus, I guess (though Boeing didn't completely lose their once a loyal customer). What I'm mostly interested though, is what kind of seats will they get.
I'm pretty much of sure that A359s will have the same cabin as A35Ks, just without the first class, but questionables are A21Ns and B789s. Are new B789s gonna inherit the same interior as the existing B789s, or maybe the same as A350s? And will they keep 2-4-2 economy seating? About the A21Ns, will they finally get personal IFE screens like A350s?
But what I really hope about the A21Ns is that JAL will get rid of 2-3 config 'Class J' (domestic business class). Take a look at ANA where all their domestic planes except DHC-8-400s have Premium Class (domestic business class too, but equivalent of JAL domestic first class). So JAL... please consider upgrading narrow-bodies with first class or keep the Class J but replace the seats with 2-2 config.
Awesome. Can’t wait to fly on their new Airbus A350-1000 in January next year.
JAL clearly is an airline that is well behind Delta. Delta has been flying 350-900 on International for years. Delta is the leading airline on the Pacific and JAL is just playing catchup.
Given the slot constraints and strictly-enforced curfews at Japanese airports, is fleet size a relevant constraint to growth?
Another significant aircraft order Boeing lost out on. Significant because Japan Airlines was once very committed to Boeing. The few Boeing planes that were ordered seem to be headed to Zip. How bad can a company be when it loses its most loyal customers? This is definitely a case of how not to do business. Airbus has better products across the board.
It looks like the replacement cycle for 777s has begun and Boeing is massively screwed with the delays of the 777X. If it had been released 5 years ago as planned, it would have been perfectly timed to replace 777s as they started aging out of service. Instead, it seems that most airlines outside of Emirates are using A350s to replace their old 777s.
If the 777X program is delayed more than 1-2 years, then by the time it's released and has a few years to get the initial kinks out, the 777 replacement cycle will probably be >50% complete. At which point it could very well enter a death cycle where there aren't enough orders to justify further investment in the program, while the A350 program motors along on its larger order base, and the competitive difference gets bigger and bigger.
I do wonder if this change of direction between Boeing and Airbus are due to several factors
- current issues that Boeing are having
- the incident of the A350 which showed the safety level of the aircraft type during such an incident
If the same principle applies to your other article on recent Korean Air orders.
Looks like Airbus is having some good times and time for the A350 program celebration which is making progress covering the failure of the A380 program (sadly).
Cheers!
Hopefully JAL will establish more service to the US in concert with their Joint Business partner AA........places where AA is unlikely to ever begin service to Japan. Would like to see PHL,MIA,BNA,AUS,PHX or LAS added where JAL can offer their longhaul product and then tap into the AA Network for domestic service. The West Coast seems covered with probably PDX the only city missing from the map.
When JAL was in bankruptcy Tim Dunn said that Delta would finish them off "once and for all."
I'm still waiting.
There are Airbus people heading out to celebrate already. Unlike what we heard from a certain airline CEO regarding 787s, there has always been production capacity for A350s and B787s and Airbus has had a banner 15 months on the A350.
For JAL, adding the A350-900 to longhaul flying was a given.
There will be some 787s because Japan, like S. Korea and a whole lot of other countries need to have good relations with Europe and the US.
I wish JAL offer service from Dulles. ANA and KAL needs competition for Asian routes. They are charging so much more compare to flying from JFK.
you are an angry person that lives in a past that you don't even accurately recreate and can't face the reality of today.
A tad sore that AA's Japan network on its own metal (the part that is flown by AA employees) is half the size of DL's?
JAL once served IAD on March 1991 with thrice weekly service but it was short lived because of the burst of bubble economy etc. PDX could be served by ZIPAIR - maybe PHX or MIA could be on the radar?
To even say that JAL are behind Delta would be an incredible honour. You know, in the universe, there are a galaxy of airlines following Delta's lead. The fact that JL/NH never introduced Basic Economy shows their short sight which is now haunting them for RASM. At Timmy Fancy, we publish global airlines' RASM data by region, market, and route. Delta are clearly a leader across the board.
The Tim Dunn alts- sorry defenders are getting more annoying than Tim Dunn himself.
Love JAL - hope they will add a flight to PDX! PHX probably makes the most logical sense though. Or maybe SFO/SEA to KIX
nobody is defending me.
They are tired of your childish inability to deal with reality so you drag out the past that, at best is revisiionistic.
You bet on the wrong horse. Your feeble attempts to silence me have utterly and completely failed.
Your horse will be sent to the glue factory at daybreak.
It will be interesting to see where zipair expands, clearly most be doing something right if the 787-9s are destined there.
Will be interesting to see if they give Australia a try. It’s always been a fairly popular determination for Japanese leisure travellers but, purely anecdotally, there seems to have been a big boost in numbers post-pandemic. That Jetstar flight to CNS seems very popular.
Given QLD like a subsidy - OOL or BNE might be good for zipair and western Sydney will open around the time these new planes arrive so it will be interesting to see if that fits the model.
I’d also take a punt on a ski season flight from badgeries creek to CTS. That one seems easy to fill.
I think the potential value of flying to PHX would be the connectivity with AA. I don’t believe Zipair has same Interline partnership as JAL?
I put my money on AUS, PHL, YYZ.
BNE would be served by JAL - they served BNE till their bankruptcy in 2010, and Brisbane will host Olympics in 2032.
OOL/CNS would be better fit for ZIPAIR, given more leisurely nature of those cities. Considering CNS already has 2 flights to Japan (VA to Haneda and Jetstar to Narita), while OOL now lacks direct service to Japan, OOL would be likelier, but I could be wrong.
IMO, JL will transfer the 788 without skysuite to Zipair and some new 789. They will upgrade routes served by 767-300ER to 788 with skysuite and then upgrade 788 to 789 Skysuite. The reverse herringbone 789s continue flying some routes as ussual and the new A359 will be subtituted the 789 Skysuite. The routes I believe will receive A359 are: LHR, HEL, FRA, LAX, SFO, ORD, SYD, BOS. A few of 788 will be used as a test for new route until being replacing by 789 with same cabin.
I definetly think MIA is a given. There is demand for nonstop flights between MIA and Tokyo. And JAL can also offer one-stop connections to much of South America and the Carribbean. There also aren't any JAL routes to the South Eastern U.S. (the closest destinations are Dallas, Chicago, and New York), so I imagine JAL could also efficiently offer connections from MIA to this region. No airline serves the South East U.S. to Japan, with the exception of Delta from ATL to HND.
