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Hawaiian Airlines Will Operate A330s For Amazon

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Hawaiian Airlines is pursuing a new revenue stream, as the airline will operate freighter jets on behalf of Amazon.

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(@Never In Doubt)
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“ Amazon is the largest retailer in the United States”

They’re the largest *online* retailer.

Walmart had ~2x their retail sales in 2021.


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 Dave
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Might we have Hawaiian pilots based in Cincinnati? Strange times continue...


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 RCB
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I accidentally read that as "Amazon Fighter Jets" and thought that was a significant escalation in Amazon's big to take over the world 🙂


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Bezos turned Dr. Evil.


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(@Eskimo)
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That was 20 years ago.


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(@Eskimo)
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Wrong.

“Amazon IS the largest retailer in the United States”
Amazon had ~4x their market cap.

Sales doesn't equate to Largest.

We can argue all day long on the world's largest airline and will never come to a single answer.
Therefore the same could be said that “Walmart is the largest retailer in the United States” as much as Amazon.

@OMAAT shouldn't cave in this easy.


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Diamond
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Ummm, no.

Words have meaning, and in the overwhelming majority of comparative references to a "retailer," they're specifically being compared in the context of their SALES revenue.

If not, the corporate entity that holds them (which may or may not be the same as the retail unit) is what's compared, in matters of market cap.


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(@Eskimo)
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Ummm, your 'no' just followed by 'If not,' which implies 'yes'.

There isn't one and only one way of measurement.


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(@Hank Tarn)
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When did Hawaiian become so anti American? I thought they were getting rid of the a330s for new Dreamliners.

Stop using Airbus until the Europeans order more Boeing. It is that simple.


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(@The nice Paul)
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Bizarre comment from someone from a country that claims to believe in free trade. Surely it’s up to the customer to decide which company offers the best product for them?

Anyway, I’m currently in the US having flown here on one of BA’s Boeings, having just booked a KLM long-haul trip which is also exclusively on Boeings.

Perhaps I should be boycotting those airlines until they replace those damn furrin’ planes with patriotic Airbus products?


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(@yyc-zrh)
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I never understood these comments. Blind loyalty to a company allows that company to become complacent since it knows it can rely on ridiculous reasons such as patriotism to keep sales going. Complacency can create environments that allow the MAX 8 disasters to happen. Competition is good and when there are only 2 major players, it's even more important to keep that competition going. Market competition is also very American, so you would think you be in support of that.


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 JH
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Yes.

Or Lakeland.

Or Ontario.


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(@Marty)
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Amazon is building a mega operations center in Honolulu. So yes this partneship makes sense.


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 John
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@Eskimoo

You've just been 'pegged' in the xxx by @ConcordeBoy with lethal logic. Now stop squirming and take it, son.


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 John
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@ConcordeBoy

I may be a hard critic, but I'll give you full credit for your cogent stance.


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(@Eskimo)
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LOL, my number one fan isn't even trying anymore.
I guess the fun time is over.


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(@Eskimo)
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Competition is good and when there are only 2 major players?
Good for the suppliers, bad for consumers.

Having only 2 major players is the reason 737MAX 320neo exists and not a whole new design.

Market competition is nothing American. It's all about being too big to fail, and letting it grow that big.
The competition is so good, Americans can soon only buy from either Amazon or Walmart.


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(@Travelman5)
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What an interesting comment. It really should not matter that Hawaiian already flies A 330’s. Thus will be a separate operating division. New pilots to fly the Prime jets. It not like they’re mixing boxes and live people on the same aircraft. Sure, Hawaiian has cargo holds in the bell yes of their passenger planes, but they’re not flying them into cargo hubs to offload the freight, then head to a passenger airport to off load and reload passengers. It will be a separate operating unit. Does Amazon have a freight base currently in HA?


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(@Travelman5)
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I thought the article clarified Amazon as the largest on line retailer.


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(@Steerage)
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Perfect plot for a James Bond movie.....world domination of e-commerce via Amazon Basics.
Bond's mission is to stop the proliferation of paper shredders delivered to Mar-a-Lago!!!


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(@Euro Aviation)
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We can wonder if these A330 P2F's will carry around a jack for the front landing gear leveling the aircraft for loading/unloading. Recall new-build A330-200F's level the fuselage by incorporating a lowered nose gear (note bulge under the cockpit). Some say leveling is unnecessary due to the use of powered floor handler. Who knows.


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 Jm
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Ummm... Amazon owns the aircraft. Your beef is with Mr. Bezos.


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