Hawaiian Airlines had a pretty exciting flight diversion yesterday…
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Aside from the immense historic significance of Midway in WWII, it’s also worth nothing that Midway is where transpacific airline service began. It was one of the original stopover points for Pan Am flying boats from Honolulu to Hong Kong. It even had a Pan Am hotel, predecessor to what became the Intercontinental Hotel chain.
http://www.midway-island.com/history/pan-american-airlines/
The diversion technically in flight attendant training happens when one has a problem with weather that is somewhat dangerously affected by the weather outside.
Glad they landed safely. The guys over at Dots, Lines, and Destinations are going to be jealous of this dot for sure.
I was flying F on the CX flight you mentioned. It was a wild experience. Flight attendants were visibly shaken (one told me she’s flown with Cathay for thirty years and hadn’t experienced anything like it), and we spent about eight hours on the ground in Shemya if memory serves me correctly, then flew the same plane to Anchorage where a rescue plane took us the rest of the way. I was flying in 2A so had a front row seat to all the action. Still have a ton of photos from that day.
Glad everyone was safe, and hope they enjoyed the view landing at MDW. Actually stunning. Midway is not only famous for the WWII naval battle, but home or "goodie birds", sea albatross that fly across the pacific and nest at Midway. It also was the deployment field for USN AEWBARRONPAC squadrons flying radar patrols through 1960s. My good fortunate being part of many safe ladings there. There isn't much between Asia and Hawaii except Midway so good the runway has been maintained.
Battle of Midway was the decisive turning point of the US Pacific campaign in WWII. Also Chicago's city airport is named after this battle - MDW
First-hand accounts add a lot to this site and the loyal readers. Why do you have to be a dick? SMH.
I was involved with a similar incident in the 1980's era. An American 767 was flying from JFK-LHR. It passed over Goose Bay Labrador and got a low press warning light on 1 engine. The pilot shut the engine down and landed at Goose Bay. DFW dispatch advised us at JFK of the situation. American had a spare 767 at JFK. They called a reserve flight crew and 2 mechanics. Me being one of them. The replacement aircraft would be sent to EUROPE. I was a Crew Chief Mechanic and ETOPS qualified to dispatch the aircraft.
Can you PLEASE do the island Hopper flights and write a report?
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@Fred
Thank you,
for mentioning the 2 connections that dumb me never made...Midway in Chicago and the battle, which I think my father fought in.
People with hate me for this. But this is my opinion.
No disrespect to the people involved, any sides.
I think the Battle of Midway was never a turning point, but merely a propaganda by the US after failing at Pearl Harbor. Yes it was a big battle. The only thing decisive was for the Empire of Japan to realize they have greatly underestimated USA and they have no chance of winning Pacific. USA was never going to lose at Midway, nothing decisive about that (But maybe Yamamoto didn't know that yet). If USA fumbled at Midway worse than at Pearl Harbor then USA would lose Hawaii but that's it, west coast was too big for an invasion.
Because US morale was low, this was the greatest opportunity to promote war propaganda (sell bonds) and raise morale and unity. Just like the opportunity 9/11 presented. (We get to rally people to go occupy Afghanistan for 20 years, just to lose it in 2 weeks)
The attack on Pearl Harbor was the first turning point. Yamamoto focused too much on Battleships not carriers. All 3 main carrier group was never at Pearl Harbor. Ironically, it was the Japanese carriers not battleships that won Pearl Harbor. Had Japan sunk the carriers, who knows what the war would look like.
The 2nd turning point was the Manhattan Project but not the bomb itself. It gave USA a undisputed weapon. Hiroshima and Nagasaki was just another US propaganda that might have ended the war few months sooner but it never would have changed the outcome of the war. It was matter of time before the war ended. It was picking a fight bigger than what an island nation can handle that cost them the war.
Japan lost the war because it underestimated Soviet and USA powers. They can't hold on 2 battlefronts at the same time. But as you can see, the propaganda is still strong today.
And we're told the wolf ate @Sean along with 50 pictures of dead sheep.
Don't care who to believe, but this is entertaining.
LOL
I wonder if they went through customs there, it would be pretty cool to have your passport stamped with Midway Island.
I completely disagree.
"Japan lost the war because it underestimated Soviet and USA powers."
The Soviet Union didn't declare war on the Empire of Japan until the last few weeks of the war.
You really need to focus on historical facts not distorted fiction.
Aloha Airlines used to have a weekly flight from HNL for a limited tourist operation, since closed. They also had a special where you could fly out, have a three hour tour by the island manager, and then fly back on the return. I did this and got the elusive Midway passport stamp.
Well isn't that my point of the Manhattan Project and not Hiroshima or Nagasaki?
WW2 could have ended without nuclear bombs because the Soviets are preparing to join after the fall of Berlin.
So you disagree but your reason is exactly what I said.
Maybe all those radioactive and chemical stuff we dumped on your island causes some issues for you.
I was fortunate to have a couple of jobs which allowed me to go to Midway and several other remote Islands in the pacific. The 2 most memorable were Johnston Atoll and Midway. I have been to Midway several dozen times to pickup Medevac patients usually from passing freighters. The most unique feature about visiting Midway was the times we were there during the gooney bird nesting season. We would try to arrive around dawn when the birds were least active. The gooney birds are not afraid of humans and don't see any reason to move just because a vehicle or person is near them. When the gooney birds are in residence the base fire department would drive a pickup up down the runway with a couple of guys in back who would pick them up (without harming them) and put them in the bed of the truck and once it was full or the runway clear they would drive away from the runway and dump the birds out.
Frequently we would fly into Midway on our C-130 and not shut down during the patient pickup. If this occurred during the young gooney birds fledgling phase they would waddle out on the taxi way and get behind the aircraft and hop up and down in the prop wash of the parked aircraft to get some flying practice in.
I got to visit Midway Island Naval Air Station twice in the early '70s. Both were to ferry aircraft back to US bases in the Pacific after they had completed major maintenance (called IRAAN). First in 1971 was a T-29 (Convair 240), whose limited range force our route to go through Adak, Alaska, before heading to Midway. The second one was in 1975 when we returned a C-130 to Naha AB, Okinawa from IRAAN at Robins AFB Ga. There were hundreds of "goonie birds" (Laysan Albatross) nesting on the island. Not a lot to do except walk the beaches and overnight to head out the next day.
@ Sean What is your deal? Did I do something to you? Not sure what your view of humanity is, but it seems to be a rather sad one if your first conclusion is that someone you have never met would find trolling a travel board with lies a good use of their time.
@apume Not sure how I would do that, but I would be happy to share the photos and experience with anyone who cares to see!
Can you create a shared album on google photos and post the link here? Or share your email id so I can write to you directly and share that way?
I'm going to take the conventional view. Midway was the turning point because it was the high-water mark of the Japanese territorial expansion. Had Japan taken Midway Atoll with the invasion force that was following its carriers, it would have been able to control the sea lanes out of Pearl - flying from Sand Island airfield - until it was dislodged.
Moreover, at the battle, the IJN lost four carriers it could not replace, in a war that it started with air power and in which air power proved preeminent.
Sorry but you are way off Eskimo, you would think Japan would have surrendered after the first atomic bomb but they didnt and chose to keep fighting until after the 2nd was dropped.
Sorry but you are way off. Japan didn't even surrender right after the 2nd bomb. And as @Johnston the radioactive guy said, they were still fighting the Soviets after the 2nd bomb.
Under your logic and the intervals of each bomb (3 days), Japan would have had 4 bombs and if you count to the formal surrender, it would have been 9 bombs.
Have some respect for the Japanese. You're not the only one who lost grand parents to the war, they lost families too. But USA got away with atrocities because the Allied won the war.
Japan started the war with the USA as Roosevelt said, they have awaken a sleeping giant. Maybe they shouldnt have started a battle they may not win. The deaths in WW2 were beyond imagination. I wish wars were done forever but very doubtful. RIP to all the brave warriors
I was so happy, actually.
I was on HA460 from ICN-HNL when this happened. I was in seat 3A with my friend who were going on a vacation together in Hawaii. The Captain made a very interesting and scary announcement roughly 4 hours in. We were around 180 miles west of Midway and he said, "Alrighty, this is your captain from the flight deck. We have engine oil notification up here. We are halfway over the Pacific. We're going to be diverting to one of the islands up here, just know that we are NOT continuing to Honolulu." I like geography and aviation, so, I concluded that we were going to the remote, desolate, and full of nothingness, Midway Atoll. We got our things, and 80 miles out of Midway, the F/O made the announcement that it was minor, but were going to Midway.
There was shock in the cabin, but also some confident faces that everything was gonna be alright.
The approach into this place was, amazing. Beautiful shades of blue, I was so happy, yet clueless how the hell were gonna get out of here. We landed, and the braking was harsh, as the Captain later told me that they only used 1 reverse thrust, on a 7800 feet long runway, so it was full on the brakes. We were in the cabin for 20-30 minutes, I was so hoping I could walk and see the island, and yes I did. The National Fish & Wildlife team on the island, got the airspace, and we got out.
I was in the middle of nowhere, middle of the Pacific. It hit me. My friend chilled out in the cabin, while I went walking. I later talked to the First Officer, and he told me his experience on Midway.
I recorded this in voice memos, and here it is:
Every flight going across the Pacific on track 1 has to do a SRLB (Short Runway Landing Briefing). We were doing it as we hit the tracks, the reality is that, this is the chat you do for Midway. We made a call to San Francisco ARINCC saying:
"Hawaiian 460 Heavy, HF San Francisco, do you copy?"
5 by 5.
"Hawaiian 460 Heavy, HF San Francisco, we need to head to Henderson Airfield, Midway."
He than gave the position report, and we started our descent.
Here's a little Q&A between me and him:
Alrighty, in the Pacific, what are the diversion airports?
"A trans-pacific like SFO-HND usually goes straight across. So, 1,000 miles after leaving San Francisco, your closest airfield is HNL, but before that, it is SFO. 700 miles after leaving HNL diversion area, it's Midway, for a good ~2,500 miles. After that it is Guam, for 1,200 miles, and then after that you can continue to HND."
Have you ever diverted here before?
"Close to, from NRT-HNL, we had a light failure, and it was foggy in the Honolulu area, for safety, we were considering running for Midway, but, we didn't because a light failure did not warrant a run for a island in the most remotest part of the world."
So, I walked around Sand Island, it was very quiet. The city itself had some rusted buildings, a mix of American and Asian cars, and a ton of birds and trash. It felt like an abandoned island that is trying to maintain the island feel. I hit the beach, which very trashy. I found a plastic water bottle from a store in Sendai, Japan, a baseball from San Luis Obispo, California.
I asked a employee on the island if I could ride the boat to Eastern Island, and she agreed. There was only 20 people who went out to explore, but none was on this island. I sat on the grass, and just felt so happy for the things I have in my life. There is no way out of here. I then yelled freedom, took a photo, and returned back to the Sand Island.
But, this island is very, very, sad and depressing. A employee got a knife, and looked inside this dead bird, and he died due to eating a water bottles lid.
The importance of this island is at another level. Climate change is gonna eat this in the next 10 years, and Pacific air travel might be banned.
The ocean is massive, if a plane had an engine failure in the area Midway is located in, and the island has sunken, then there is no recovering. Because of Midway, planes can do a straight shot across the Pacific.
ETOPS 180 means the aircraft has been accepted to fly for 3 hours on 1 engine. Between Midway and Guam, that barrier is very close, most planes come as close to 177 minutes from either of the two. If Midway had been sunken, its either Honolulu of Guam.
It was soon time to leave, we left Midway at 5:00PM local time and landed in HNL at 9:00PM local time.
And 2 years later, here I am at home in Seoul. It was a cool experience, and I hope one day I can visit again.
Unfortunately, Midway is just a island with a runway, trash and birds. It's closed off from public, only diverting aircraft and workers can visit.
After visiting, I asked myself? Why so many birds in the middle of nowhere? My hypothesis was birds flying from North or South America to Asia, they had specifically had a couple islands en-route that they could recharge in. If you go google maps, you see bunch of birds at some really remote islands in the middle of nowhere.
So, that was my experience aboard HA460, and my fascinating visit to Midway as the pit-stop.