SWISS leisure subsidiary Edelweiss Air is in the process of overhauling its long haul fleet, as the airline replaces its Airbus A340-300s with Airbus A350-900s. The airline acquired these A350s from LATAM, and has initially maintained the same interiors, with plans to retrofit the aircraft at a later point.
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How is it possible that Edelweiss have a much better product compared to Swiss, in what is supposedly a full service legacy carrier...just wow!
Ben, another A350 post? Those Boeing fanboys will be out in force later, spitting venom and crying into their beer …. 🙂
Just like CX, those "wings" or privacy shields in Business are perfect for their average flight time as you don't really need the added weight and complexity of a door.
I would love to see them restore service to MCO, which was dropped due to Covid! We’d gladly welcome them back to central Florida. With Norwegian’s collapse we lost service to both Swiss cities!
It's bewildering to me that any airline would install seats without doors in 2026. Actively avoiding all such products now.
I think its worth distinguishing between LHG's leisure airlines and the group's full service airlines.
That being said, I do think LHG would benefit from some greater similarities between brands.
I realize there's a difference in terms of revenue management but this distinction is frustrating. I don't want a worse product when I travel for leisure (with my money) than when I travel for work, not to mention people traveling on business routes for leisure or business travelers on a leisure route.
In any case, LHG's Allegris concept has two decent suites and then a selection of subpar and inconsistent seats in business class. Developing that instead of using an off-the-shelf product is simply mismanagement.
I likely am in the minority but not a huge fan of doors on J class especially shorter flights.
Norwegian never flew long haul To Switzerland.
You know Sweden is an entirely different country, right?
Doors would add additional weight and complexity aside from an additional expense. And upon looking at their destinations, they don't really have a "true" long-haul destination. So in this case, privacy shields would make up for the lack of a door.
This would actually look great with the SWISS colour palette from the Senses cabins. I like the fact that there are no doors in J. Also, Edelweiss has ZRH-YVR, ZRH-LAS and such flights, so they clearly operate long-haul flights.
À super underrated airline in the LH group and globally. Ok, doors would be great for biz but this is a leisure airline and they are able to whip it together faster than either of the two parents! I flew them once in biz about 15 years ago…I have never seen so much champagne served on a flight! Of course it was leisure so 99% of the flight was on vacation somewhere, but honestly being able to remember a great flight after so many years, hats off. It was FUN! Mr. Spohr, anyone listening??
This was my though as well. In my view their new J is much better than Allergis. Also their Y product seems to be better, at least in terms of legspace. Possibly also the PY product is better.
This shows the LH leaders how you can implement a great new product in no time and - importantly - certified, i.e. able to sell it ...
Because Edelweiss doesn't have to distinguish between a business and first class. Biz class is always better on airlines without first.
Looks nice. Their a340 still makes long journeys to unique leisure destinations like Costa Rica. These a350s would be a major upgrade.
I am really happy with this new development and they are going with the Condor track, along with real premium economy seats. Condor really needs to step up too. I have a feeling that those former LATAM seats also need some refurbishment soon too. Edelweiss is always a premium brand and I am glad that they keep this track, and unlike their parent company, Lufthansa, the Swiss knows what they are doing!
Wow, so this means that a low-cost subsidiary will have a better business class product than its parent (which is installing the senseless cabin).
AeroLOPA has the seat map for the new A350. It shows that Economy Max will be retained, but only in the 1st 2 rows of economy (rows 20-21). Based on economy on the new A350s having 1” more pitch than the current ones inherited from LATAM, I’ll assume that Economy Max on the new A350 cabins will also have 1” more pitch over their pitch on the current layout (at least 35” on the current A350s); take this with a grain of salt cause it’s just my estimate. It’s also coincidental that all Lufthansa group airlines getting long haul cabin overhauls are using the same seat type and dimensions for premium economy; must be a popular seat model.
I wish Swiss upgraded to this J class.
This would actually look great with the SWISS colour palette from the Senses cabins. I like the fact that there are no doors in J. Also, Edelweiss has ZRH-YVR, ZRH-LAS and such flights, so they clearly operate long-haul flights.
How is it possible that Edelweiss have a much better product compared to Swiss, in what is supposedly a full service legacy carrier...just wow!
This was my though as well. In my view their new J is much better than Allergis. Also their Y product seems to be better, at least in terms of legspace. Possibly also the PY product is better.
Because Edelweiss doesn't have to distinguish between a business and first class. Biz class is always better on airlines without first.
Ben, another A350 post? Those Boeing fanboys will be out in force later, spitting venom and crying into their beer …. 🙂
Just like CX, those "wings" or privacy shields in Business are perfect for their average flight time as you don't really need the added weight and complexity of a door.
I would love to see them restore service to MCO, which was dropped due to Covid! We’d gladly welcome them back to central Florida. With Norwegian’s collapse we lost service to both Swiss cities!
Norwegian never flew long haul To Switzerland.
You know Sweden is an entirely different country, right?
It's bewildering to me that any airline would install seats without doors in 2026. Actively avoiding all such products now.
I think its worth distinguishing between LHG's leisure airlines and the group's full service airlines.
That being said, I do think LHG would benefit from some greater similarities between brands.
I realize there's a difference in terms of revenue management but this distinction is frustrating. I don't want a worse product when I travel for leisure (with my money) than when I travel for work, not to mention people traveling on business routes for leisure or business travelers on a leisure route.
In any case, LHG's Allegris concept has two decent suites and then a selection of subpar and inconsistent seats in business class. Developing that instead of using an off-the-shelf product is simply mismanagement.
I likely am in the minority but not a huge fan of doors on J class especially shorter flights.
Doors would add additional weight and complexity aside from an additional expense. And upon looking at their destinations, they don't really have a "true" long-haul destination. So in this case, privacy shields would make up for the lack of a door.
À super underrated airline in the LH group and globally. Ok, doors would be great for biz but this is a leisure airline and they are able to whip it together faster than either of the two parents! I flew them once in biz about 15 years ago…I have never seen so much champagne served on a flight! Of course it was leisure so 99% of the flight was on vacation somewhere, but honestly being able to remember a great flight after so many years, hats off. It was FUN! Mr. Spohr, anyone listening??
This shows the LH leaders how you can implement a great new product in no time and - importantly - certified, i.e. able to sell it ...
Better than Luftcaca.
Looks nice. Their a340 still makes long journeys to unique leisure destinations like Costa Rica. These a350s would be a major upgrade.
Looks very nice.
I am really happy with this new development and they are going with the Condor track, along with real premium economy seats. Condor really needs to step up too. I have a feeling that those former LATAM seats also need some refurbishment soon too. Edelweiss is always a premium brand and I am glad that they keep this track, and unlike their parent company, Lufthansa, the Swiss knows what they are doing!
Wow, so this means that a low-cost subsidiary will have a better business class product than its parent (which is installing the senseless cabin).
I wonder if some version of the Vantage XL would've been the choice of SWISS management if they hadn't been forced to take on Allegris seating. The differentiator might've been just higher enclosures and some doors
AeroLOPA has the seat map for the new A350. It shows that Economy Max will be retained, but only in the 1st 2 rows of economy (rows 20-21). Based on economy on the new A350s having 1” more pitch than the current ones inherited from LATAM, I’ll assume that Economy Max on the new A350 cabins will also have 1” more pitch over their pitch on the current layout (at least 35” on the current A350s); take this with a grain of salt cause it’s just my estimate. It’s also coincidental that all Lufthansa group airlines getting long haul cabin overhauls are using the same seat type and dimensions for premium economy; must be a popular seat model.
The flight from Tampa to Zurich: any idea if these will be updated for business class by May 2027?
Interesting contrast with Starlux since both make clever use of the extra space in the first row, but while starlux built an entire first class experience around it, eidelweisd in is selling it as an enhanced business class seat. I think the Edelweiss approach makes more sense give passengers a meaningfully better seat without pretending it needs to be an entirely different cabin, similar to united studio.
Lufthansa Group once again showing why they're the leaders of the airline industry.
I would take this uniform cabin except the bulkhead row over the mosiac of geometry also known as Allegris or makes no Senses.
The J+ looks like a Dilbert office cubicle