Avianca Airbus A320s Will Have 20% More Seats, No More Business Class

That's pretty terrible. Now it would be nice if the European carriers could install that odd looking premium seat instead of what they have now!

I love "Airbus’ SpaceFlex cabin concept, which optimizes space at the rear of the aircraft, by combining galleys and restrooms in order to increase seating capacity"

In other words tiny tiny bathrooms you can't get into or move around in:-(

Honestly, it looks pretty appealing to me. I would be interested in the top and bottom "classes." The wider seat would be nice depending on the premium while no recline would a great feature in the back. Reclining doesn't do a lot to increase comfort for the recliner but it stands to make the person a lot less comfortable in turn. I have thought it best to just look the seats upright and eliminate the arguments and fights. It sounds like that is what Avianca is doing so I applaud them! For the rows that have recline, unless there is extra legroom, I would rather be in the back. Overall, from a passenger comfort and experience angle, I do not see these updates as bad and, unless there is something I am missing, I would have no issue if Delta implemented them.

Any word on whether they are also removing the power ports from Economy class?

Ah...the sardines in a can approach.

I must applaud Avianca for their forward thinking to transform themselves into the Spirit Airlines of Latin America in terms of seating configuration.

I'm happy to see that the economy seats at the rear won't recline. I think that ought to be the case for any tight economy seating -- the person behind the would-be reclining passenger will definitely appreciate it.

@ Laurel -- USB outlets will remain, but that's it.

In terms of economy class, the personal entertainment is a downgrade, but keeping pitch at 31 - 32" is actually decent compared to let's say AA, who took out personal entertainment and reduced pitch to 30".

In terms of "business class, I fail to understand the seat design. Can the center console be removed to use the middle seat? Looking closely at the seat cushions, it appears to be contoured to the console. Maybe I am missing something there.

With that said, these airlines that try to be both a full-service airline and a low-cost airline are fooling themselves. IMO, the best airlines are those who know what they are and what they aren't. For example, DL positions itself as a premium carrier. You may not agree about it being a premium carrier, but it has consistently produced higher yields than AA and UA. It appears UA is realizing that and moving towards the DL approach (i.e. - announcement of in-seat entertainment). Then you have AA...they're trying to be a full-service airline to those in first and business class and a low-cost carrier to those in coach...well, look at their premium yields.

Many of Avianca's flights in the Americas feature A320's covering long distances. Such as GUA-SFO or SAL-JFK. Spending 5 hours in this kind of a sardine can? No thanks!

As an Avianca Diamond member, I find this ridiculous, and like many, after 7 years of undisputed loyalty, I will start to seriously reconsider sticking to Avianca.

A premium that was accurately priced, went on to be an overpriced piece of rubbish.

Particularly when you have in mind that these planes not only cover 20 minute hops (it’d be no big deal if they did) but due to the fact that you regularly see A320’s covering routes like BOG-JFK, MDE-JFK, and others which are 5+ hour flights. When Avianca operates an A320 in the AV20 (BOG-JFK redeye) or AV42 (MDE-JFK redeye) it makes sense to fly with them overnight. However, with this joke of a cabin it doesn’t any longer, when you will have a vastly better product in the back of a Delta’s 767 that operates this route, a premium economy product that is miles ahead of this “business class”, let alone the actual business class at Delta to JFK, which offers lie flat seats. Avianca? Not even classic recliners. The same is the case for AA which sends 777’s and 787’s to cover overnight COL-USA routes with vastly better products in all classes of travel.

I think Avianca is making a huge mistake. Their service was the very reason I, and many others payed the premium to fly with them over new low cost airlines in the market like Viva Air and Latam Colombia (domestic mostly). But now, if the Delta-LATAM skymiles agreement is seized, I will probably go with them exactly because of their service.

I think they sold their soul to the devil, and the market isn’t receiving this in a friendly way.

It doesn’t really make sense for me for all of the A320’s to be reconfigured. Here’s why.

First of all, regarding the “business class” I don’t find the use of this new cabin over the old one, as neither capacity nor flexibility will be gained from these seats, which is the entire point of the euro business class model. They’ll seat the same 12 passengers the current recliners seat, with the difference these 12 passengers will be unhappy, less satisfied, and more likely to go on the competition.

Having flown many “Euro Business” products I have found out the key to make up the worse seats is the better service, lounges, and the amazing food, in short, the lack of a good hard product is made up by some of the strongest soft products in the market. I have had some sublime meals on Iberia, Alitalia (RIP), AirFrance and Lufthansa Euro Business products. Restaurant quality, without a doubt. Lounges of these Euro Business products are also top-notch, as well as the entire experience.

Avianca’s meals, lounges and overall experience on the other hand, is consistently bland, mediocre, and its staff unprofessional, I have flown them quite a lot as well. Opposite to the Europeans, Avianca made this up with top notch seats, aircraft, and overall hard product. However, with this change, they left themselves in a position where they are offering neither a strong hard product or soft product.

Moving onto the back of the plane, I see the case for the seats in short haul markets (3 hour flights>) where competitors also offer similar products. However, these planes regularly fly to cities like São Paulo, Buenos Aires, and New York. All more than 5.5 flight hours from Bogota, often redeyes. Here, the product in economy will be eaten up alive by services offered competition, such as the Aerolíneas Argentinas A330 service to Buenos Aires, Delta’s 767 to New York, AA’s specially configured A319 (EOW), United’s 757, etc.

So in short, they can gain in the short routes, but a lack of planning and organization I think will make them loose big time when it comes to the more profitable medium haul market where competition is fierce, and the Colombian market’s loyalty to Avianca is long gone. It is my uninformed opinion that a reconfiguration of only short haul A320’s could’ve been a positive decision, but this will prove to be an expensive mistake.

How hard did the marketing team laugh when they came up with "pre-recline"?

Living in Latin America, I've flown Avianca on and off for years, and have watched their slow motion transformation from a solid legacy carrier to one that tries to maintain legacy prices even as the experience is scaled down to that of a low cost carrier. I can't say I am surprised by this announcement.

What is surprising is the idea of "combining galleys and restrooms". I don't know how that will work and I don't want to know.

In the past I have found no compelling reason to actually fly Avianca.
Now I see none, and, memo to self, avoid completely.
Happy enough to continue to participate in LifeMiles, with fingers eternally crossed that nothing goes wrong with a ticket that would require me to have to speak with their chaotic and bizzare call centre.

I love South America but, unless it was a very short flight, forget it. Pre-recline is pretty funny though.

Even the A330 service in Business is a joke now. The meal service was a step down from Lunchables. Only drink choices are water, tea or coffee.

The entertainment choices are similar to the .99c VHS cassette discards sold by the library.

I hope Delta steps up and keeps the direct flights to JFK year round.

Been with Taca and Avianca for 12 years. I take
310 & 311 to and from Sal-MIA. every couple weeks. Now fly AA business, same route and cheaper. Choice of 4 flights daily. Avianca walked to the edge of the cliff and jumped off. Incompetent call center is a joke..

Need Aviaca to start flying again between BOG- CUZ so I can avoid LIM.

Read this again: The reconfigured A320s will feature Airbus’ SpaceFlex cabin concept, which optimizes space at the rear of the aircraft, by combining galleys and restrooms

Gotta give them some credit just for being audacious, but maybe they haven't head the expression: Don't sh¡t where you eat

Note to self: Never, ever fly on this airline that does food prep in the toilets (never mind those awful seats...).

Is there a possibility Avianca will have a su fleet of A320s that will operate their longer international flights (BOG/SAL/GUA-JFK/IAD/YYZ/ORD/LAX/SFO/MCO/MIA/FLL)? I think this could work against them in a big way. Additionally, I wonder what type of long haul, soft & hard products they will offer going forward…? Hmmm.

That’s the weirdest seat I’ve ever seen, I really wonder what the intentions behind the design choices were. The seats are wider than in economy, but the head rests are not centered on the seats. Apparently you are supposed to sit in the outer area of the seat. There is a seat back in the middle that has no purpose at all, and it doesn’t seem that there is a way to convert the seat into a row of 3. The seat cushion extends under the armrests. All quite puzzling.

I flew on an older Avianca A320 which still featured screens and business class last week. Good level of comfort. Enjoyable short haul experience, even if the food was a wrapped sub sandwich akin to an emaciated Subway sub.

Today as I write this, I am flying back in the same seat (1A) on this newly refurbished A320. What. A. Let down. First off, only one seat in the row of three has plugs for chargers. 2nd, the seat itself is significantly less comfortable. Third, the legroom has been almost cut in half it seems. Fourth, the seat itself is stupidly identical to all other seats in the plane. Fifth, what the hell is this seatbelt? They have like a built in air cushion to it. Who the f*ck needs that? They've completely eliminated all elements related to the business experience. Why am I paying extra for this? Literally the only noticebale difference between this front row of seats where business class should be and the economy seats in the way way back are a built in neck pillow? Avianca, how far you have fallen.

Do not pay the premium for the first few rows. What an embarassment for this once great airline. Major, major downgrade.

This is pretty lame - I live in an area where Avianca is basically the only option to get from a regional airport to an international airport, and they have most of the better connections also... but this sounds awful. I hope Latam steps up their game and offers business class on some of these routes where Avianca is ditching it.

I thought of Avianca as the better option to fly since they offered more comfort at a reasonable price. Cutting down on conformt will guide us customers to even look further to other airlines that I myself never considered flying with.

Avianca's move to make it a terrible experience on board is paired with the terrible customer service in all instances: pre-flight, during flight and post. Customer service is not existing to the point that Colombia's Vice President had to complaint in social media to be heard. Good bye to Avianca, they are out of my list of options.

I flew ten hours yesterday in Aviancas new sardine seating. It is so small i could not touch my own feet. My knees were wedged under a metal bar from the seat in front of me. Never again!

Absolutely the worst! I just flew BOG-YYZ for nearly 6 hours and those seats were the most uncomfortable I have ever had. I could tolerate such seats on a budget airline with rock bottom prices but Avianca is a national air carrier for Colombia and does not have rock bottom prices. Will never fly with them again!