As I think all OMAAT readers know by now, Allegris is the name of Lufthansa’s new long haul travel concept, and this includes all-new cabins for long haul aircraft. However, the actual rollout of this has been challenging, to put it mildly.
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Well.. looks like how what used to be quality and on-time performance of a German product and service is confirmed down the drain - like how the German railway has become one of the worst run train company in Europe.
Seems nothing in the last months or even year coming out from the LH Group is anything good these days....
Wait, so if there is a full hard wall in front of the row the seat belts don't need airbags, but if there is a hard shell seat in front of the row the seat belts do need airbags?
That sounds logical..... lol
I remember encountering something similar years ago. I was on CXs first scheduled A350 service down to MNL and the first row of the mini-cabin in business was blocked off. Someone from Safran (Zodiac at the time) was inspecting the seats. IIRC, it was quite a while before the seats eventually got certified. Fortunately it was only doing regional runs for the first few months.
I'd think it has to do if there is an impact at a high force and the last row of premium economy (with passengers in it) falls backwards towards the first row of economy and its passengers, the potential physical harm could be worse than if there was a physical wall without airbags.
You officially have became the Star Alliance Tim Dunn.
Not even the first one, the second one following ORD.
(Dis)Honorable mention, AeroB13a - the BA Tim Dunn.
Congrats.
Ben, could you provide an article about aircraft seat certification? What is the process of certifying aircraft seats? What organization(s) performs the certification? Are separate certifications needed for the US, Europe, etc.? How long does certification usually take? Thanks in advance.
Is it something an airline can pay more to be done faster? Why does it take so long?
Alaska has these airbag seat belts on their first row of economy, and while they are tolerable for a flight of a few hours...If LH is trying to install the same air bags, I would avoid these seats at all costs for long haul flights. These seat belts are bulky and when you add to that the fact that these "bulkhead" seats will be slightly narrower with fixed armrests, I doubt it'll be comfortable on a 10hr flight.
Here's a snapshot from one of the seat manufacturers -
https://aircraftedbycollins.com/commercial-aircraft-seat-testing
Same way they protect you during a car crash.
And like a car crash, they don't solve every nor even most problem. But they do blunt the forces in many of the most common forward-moving impact issues.
After such a disastrous product launch, after many years of delay to replace the worst business class cabin currently flying in Europe, after having ruined its reputation, it is amazing that the senior management of the LH Group has still not yet been fired for its gross incompetence (and arrogance).
Would it have been so hard to have a separate PE space like almost ‘everybody else’? I know on the LX 77W it’s as it is on the LH A350 but what’s the point?
Same as the throne seats where the amount you pay to reserve the seat is well below what the airline would earn if there were 2 seats there in a 1-2-1 configuration. Baffles me.
The whole new cabin project should be renamed Tristitis (sadness, from Latin). Allegris became an antithesis of joy for LH.
Btw, Germans use 'Polnische Wirtschaft' (Polish economy) to denote total mismanagement. I think there is an opportunity to retire it and start using 'Deutschland Wirtschaft' instead... Trains, immigration, LH interiors...
LH's top management should be really grateful to the fact that harakiri is not a part of european code of honor.
If they were running an airline in East Asia they would be a pariah there.
Unless the aircraft flies backwards, the last row of PY will be propelled forward, same as the first row of Y, at an impact.
The purpose of an airbag is to reduce the forward motion, and cushion an impact with a hard object. But only certain hard objects, not others?
Airbags in a car protects you up to a certain point, impacts above a certain force airbag or no airbag you will be crushed.
The problem with aircrafts is that their impacts tend to happen at speeds where airbags are probably not as relevant as all that. Any amount of airbags would not have saved passengers in the Jeju Air crash. But airbags at certain exposed seats in the Asiana crash in SFO could potentially have reduced injuries.
Question could be if the deployed airbag would slow down evacuation. But someone clever hopefully conducted those tests.
It sounds like the Chinese 7th Month Hungry Ghosts where the front seats are reserved for the unseen guests and not seated by humans!
It sounds like the Chinese 7th Month Hungry Ghosts where the front seats are reserved for the unseen guests and not seated by humans!
Probably best if there wasn’t a shortcut available. Given the amount of screwups recently, it’ll be best to take their time and get it certified properly