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Hyatt Expands In Germany With Lindner Hotels

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In 2022, it was announced that Hyatt would expand its footprint in Germany, through a partnership with Lindner Hotels. This is something I’m excited about, given that most of my family lives in Germany, and I travel there a lot. There’s an exciting update, because as of today, the integration of Lindner Hotels properties into…

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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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Aren't Jdv properties supposed to be upscale, boutique hotels? Some of the Lindner properties look pretty basic.

Hyatt should have bought Radisson.

It seems like Premier Inn and Scandic are the next brands ripe for a takeover by Hyatt or, maybe, Marriott but probably Hyatt.


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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In other words, this looks like Hyatt's version of Protea. Except unlike Marriott buying Protea, Hyatt is merely partnering with Lindner to incorporate them into the Hyatt booking channel and loyalty program. So, maybe it's more like Design Hotels.


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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I just wish Hyatt would focus on growth in North America. There are way too many markets and even entire states without a single Hyatt property, let alone a full-service brand. I am sick and tired of staying in dumpy Hyatt Place properties run by Aimbridge.


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(@jnrfalcon)
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Hyatt should buy or partner with Thon or Scandic


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 Stvr
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Do these hotels have air conditioning


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 Stvr
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Got really excited by the Spain comment but it’s mallorca


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(@Ben Holz)
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aka 17th Bundesland


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(@Bobby J)
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Accor should buy Hyatt and retain WoH as the loyalty program.


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(@jbours170)
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would need to be the other way around for WoH to stay as the loyalty rewards. definitely agree Hyatt should merge/acquire other players to better compete with Marriot/Hilton/IHG


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 Bob
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When will the integration be done? SLH integration seems to be done in a long ramp - but the start time is pretty quick. I hope they can do it quicker. Be nice to have additional World of Hyatt options in Germany for this winter season.


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 Don
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Will they have private bathrooms in each room? (My memory of German hotels from being in the Cold War Army in 70's, 80's was communal showers, toilets, bathrooms).


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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It's not much better. Several independent German hotels with 3-star and 4-star ratings that I've stayed at in the last year or so haven't even provided soap in the bathroom. Instead, you get a single dispenser that is supposedly shampoo, conditioner, body wash, and hand wash. And don't get me started on the twin beds pushed together to form a makeshift queen or king.


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WoH is only able to maintain their excellent loyalty program because they own most of their hotels. Merging with other brands would significantly alter that arrangement, and a bigger footprint always means they can invest less in the loyalty program (look at Marriott).

I am fine with the current arrangement of Hyatt + Hilton (+TA programs for luxury hotels).


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 DCS
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Isn't Hyatt, in its frenzied expansion spree to try to address its footprint "problem", running the risk of downgrading or "diluting" its brand by adding in its portfolio a heterogeneous collection of already-branded hotels, instead of growing its hotels "organically" to ensure that the chain retains the distinctive Hyatt identity and "flavor"?

Just askin'...


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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They don't own their hotels. But Hyatt does manage most of its hotels, especially among the full-service brands. By contrast, Marriott manages less than 30% of its hotels. IHG manages even an even smaller number.


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(@Lasse Cehofski)
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Lindner Hotels are extremely good. I stayed at the Lindner hotel in Berlin more than 20 times. It’s excellent and highly recommendable. Having stayed at Lindner properties previously, I don’t share the concerns expressed in the previous comments. This will be a valuable addition to the World of Hyatt.


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(@LLExxxxxxxx)
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any news on that? still no details in the media...
wanted to book some nights in Lindner for my globalist run..


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(@DavidS)
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I was just wondering the same thing as we look at Germany. While they are findable on Hyatt's search engine it just connects to the Lindner site.

Hoping there might be some timeline for next steps out there.


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(@Angry Globalist)
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Meantime No Rooms in Hyatt Istanbul available in June/July. Plenty of Rooms available if you Pay $800 Dollars for a $99.00 Room at a Category 2 Hotel. Never seen it this Bad before, A real Crappy Levent in Istanbul is asking 750 Euros/night?


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(@Billy Bob)
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Question: does P2 need an ID or any sort? Thanks from BB.


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(@Billy Bob)
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Absolutely everything travel-related with points has been absolutely destroyed value-wise. You will not read this fact on any point-related website/blog.


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(@Happy Globalist)
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There are rooms in istanbul in June July and August for < €400 Do not exaggerate.


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(@Jkjkjk)
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Most hyatt in the pipeline are in China and India with handful in the US.
Hyatt in China has very good properties even in small random cities where the americans and certain think tank “intelligence” claimed to be concentration camp just a mere hyatt place. Now that’s what you called intelligence. American exceptionalism.


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Diamond
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Nope.

Next question.


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(@Regis)
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No, because Hyatt is smart enough not rebrand these second rate chains as Hyatts. So when you book, and there is no Hyatt in the name, you know in advance it won't be Hyatt standard. Notice they market these properties with funny names like Unbound Collection etc.


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(@Lady London)
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Is this a reheated post?
I see comments from October 2022?


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@ Lady London -- It's an update to the original post, to reflect that properties have now joined World of Hyatt. When I update a post, I try to clarify that in the first paragraph (as I did here, by explaining that the update is these properties joining World of Hyatt).


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Diamond
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Use Google.


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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Hyatt just can't get any growth in North America. All these all-inclusive resorts and licensed independent hotels into faux brands like JdV still don't make up for the fact that there are countless markets in the USA without any Hyatt presence. If there is a Hyatt, it's a dumpy Hyatt Place. I was a globalist for a year. I gave up on it because I don't justify going way out of my way on business trips to stay at a dumpy Hyatt Place run by Aimbridge.


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(@Jeremy)
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It seems like several properties, including the Sylt and Speyer ones, haven't been integrated as yet.


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Diamond
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Thankful for proper integration of WoH benefits. Yay!


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(@GlobalistView)
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Been waiting for this for some time as it massively increases its footprint in Germany. A brilliant move for Hyatt if you don't view things from a North American-centric perspective. The N. Am. market is flooded with choice and chains. We really aren't here in Europe so the market is far more competitive.

Those of us in Europe spend a lot of time in Germany for vacation and business, and we aren't inundated with reliable chain hotel choices with rewards programs. Rewards programs have historically never been big in Europe, but post-pandemic, there is a massive shift. My coworkers and peer groups have show incredible interest. This allows Hyatt to increase its footprint, bringing many people into the Hyatt ecosystem without assuming too much liability. Also, a seemingly smart move for Lindner as they will pick up a lot of business from me and others like me.


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(@Mantis)
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"The N. Am. market is flooded with choice and chains. We really aren't here in Europe so the market is far more competitive."

I don't think you understand what competition is. "Flooded with choice and chains" is by definition competitive.


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(@GlobalistView)
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English is my 5th language; excuse the grammatical error.

Europeans are turning to the Reward model. It helps Hyatt.


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Diamond
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This is the EXACT reason I haven't made the jump from Marriott to Hyatt, even though I'm very loyal to AA as an EP. I've tried several times to "switch" over to Hyatt, and it's either impossible, a huge hassle, 2X the cost, or a lower quality property. I REALLY would like to keep everything simple and earn with AA as well, but Hyatt has made it very hard.

Even here in Fort Worth (where I live) their has only been ONE new property in the past 10 years (a Hyatt Place), out of 11 properties in the entire county (13 largest city in the US, over 3 million residents), 3 are at the airport (Place, Regency, Grand) 9 are Hyatt Places (Nothing Downtown, no Brand differentiation besides at the airport) and at least 7 of those are former Amerisuites locations. So basically, unless my flight gets canceled at the airport: no options for a stay-cation. Nothing for a business meeting. Nothing to draw loyalists to my city.

Kinda sad that even the Dallas suburbs have various Hyatt brands, and Fort Worth and the entire of Tarrant County is all just Hyatt Places. I experience this when traveling for work as well.


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(@Matt h r)
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I was confused too, it wasn’t clear to me


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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Hyatt should buy Scandic and Premier Inn.


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(@Frank)
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several times in the article, the second "n" in "Lindner" is missing...


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 Alex
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Wondering if anyone has had any luck booking the Beau Rivage? Cannot find any availability cash or points


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