British Airways Will Carbon Offset Domestic Flights

London to LA in economy — £8
London to LA in business — £24
Does it mean flying Business Class tripling the carbon emission

Nice intentions vs outcomes. Probably feels good handing money over to someone else so they can less consciously dump their emissions into our air.

From everything Ive read so far carbon offsetting is a sham. Illusion of green.

I wish I would have thought of starting a carbon offset business. It is basically indulgences for the church of global warming.

Doing it is better than not doing it, but it's only putting on a sticking plaster compared with the underlying problem.

Interesting that they've confined it to their domestic routes. A quick glance at their wikipedia destinations page shows just how many of their domestic routes they have scrapped (clue: the majority of them). BA is not actually very interested in domestic traffic, preferring to leave it to cars or trains. An interesting contrast with KLM, which runs routes to more UK airports than BA, feeding traffic into Schipol.

@Stevest Most carbon offset schemes are are indeed a scam that profits only a few people. However the new 'Compensaid' scheme from Lufthansa is not a scam as you can compensate by buying real sustainable aviation fuel (made in Los Angeles) and it will then be used on Lufthansa flights from LAX.

I have always thought of carbon offsets as the environmental equivalent of the Catholic Church selling indulgences. At the end of the day, everyone knows it is a sham but it makes us look like we are doing something well connected people benefit.

@Max - How brilliant. "Do you feel guilty about how much carbon you are putting into the atmosphere? Absolve yourself of this climate sin by buying us fuel for our aircraft!"

All those laughing and making snide remarks about carbon offset schemes may have a point, but then again most are probably too old to care about the environment and future generations - as long as their bank accounts are full. Surely, doing something is better than nothing! Perhaps more of what @Max said about Lufthansa's fuel scheme is warranted.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is that even if you don't care about the environment and only worry about profits and you believe it's all a scam, the reality is that consumers are starting to drive these business decisions. I work a lot with companies that produce "recyclable", "compostable", "sustainable" packaging for fresh produce. Are they doing it because it makes them feel good? Not really - this is what the market is turning to, and companies don't want to get behind the eight ball and look bad. Same goes for all companies that are introducing "green" policies.

Dennis I am fairly young but jot only that, i am far more environmentally conscious in my day to day than any of my “green” friends.

Again, it’s about outcomes not intentions.

It’s too simplistic to say all or even most carbon offset programs are scams. Some are, others aren’t. You have to do your research and there are many organizations and third parties that will certify and are reliable and objective in their certification process. Just saying it’s an indulgence is not helpful and that it reduces a complex issue to a very simple term

@Stevest,

I think thats fine and good, but (maybe like Dennis) when the first thing out of someone's mouth is "it's all a sham", they're usually interested in doing nothing. As long as you can maintain it won't help anything or is somehow a fraud, you don't actually have to change any of your behaviors that make you comfortable (Fly 50 times year, eat beef 10 times a week, drive a car everywhere thats getting abysmal miles to the gallon).

I'd be far more curious what these people who maintain its a sham. (some are, some aren't as mentioned) think should be done to combat the very real issue of Climate Change? I'd also prefer solutions be real measures meant to address the issue, but a lot of this just seems like people looking for a reason to do nothing and hope the world they lived in will never change.

Reducing air travel and choosing more fuel efficient fleets in non-premium seats is likely more effective, but carbon offsets don't hurt and many are tied to effective accounting programs.

An ethical person should strive to minimize and use carbon offsets where necessary until aviation implements drastically less impactful technologies such as electrification and biofuels (not perfect, but there may be a role).

I just went to the BA carbon offset tool, and the programmes it supports look like a mixed bag.

For example, the Cordillera Azul programme prevents deforestation. This is good, but it doesn't really reduce CO2 from its current levels, it just prevents the level of net CO2 emissions from rising. Not sure this truly qualifies as an "offset".

The Darfur cook stove programme is more promising, in that it not only prevents deforestation but reduces total energy use. I'm a little concerned about the recipients being able to buy LPG in the future if the programme ends or is cut back.

The Cardamom programme again prevents deforestation and works to provide alternate incomes. Again, this doesn't reduce current CO2, so is it an "offset"?

Not a "sham", but less that it sounds like at first glance.

I am sorry but SAS is already carbon offsetting all passengers as long as they register an Eurobonus Account (Their FFP)
No strings, no fees.
BA is doing too little, too slow in European standard

When did "carbon offset" become a verb?

Carbon offsetting is a feel-good false equivalence scheme wherein the benefits are privatised but the losses are socialised. I've seen no research indicate that they're actually effective, so I'll reserve further comments

@Dennis - You can be environmentally concsious, and a full believer that climate change is the biggest problem we face today, but also believe that most of these offset programs are scams. It can work both ways. I think there needs to be better vetting in this arena. Footing the difference in bill for a type of fuel the airline should be purchasing anyway is not "offsetting your carbon footprint."

I wouldn't trust them at all. What projects are they investing in? Probably ones that they're already involved in, nothing but a money grab.

@CraigTPA

British Airways is definitely use the Voluntary model, so all those projects fall under REDD+. The major qualification for this projects is simply that they wouldn't exist without this sort of carbon financing. So all they have to do is prove that without this financing the trees would be cut down. Hence the offset.

I imagine that they avoided investing in real projects due to a conflict of interest, but like I said previously, I'll wait for the quantification study to see, and until then I am highly doubtful.

@CraigTPA

British Airways is definitely using the Voluntary model, so all those projects fall under REDD+. A major qualification for these types of projects is simply that they wouldn't exist without this sort of carbon financing. So all they have to do is prove that without this financing the trees would be cut down. Hence the offset.

I imagine that they avoided investing in real projects (renewables) due to a conflict of interest, but like I said previously, I'll wait for the quantification study to see, and until then I am highly doubtful.

@GuruJanitor, I do agree with you. I'm sure there are scams out there collecting money under the guise of climate change programs.
However to do nothing is also a problem. Every step in that direction is a good thing. As I mentioned, in this corporate and shareholder ruled society, the market has to drive it for real outcomes.

Just tell me how much I have to pay, and to whom, to shut these eco-loonies up. I'll do it just to stop them frightening the 10-year-olds into thinking they will all be dead by prom night.

And where can I buy a carbon offset for my New York strip?

I think AF just announced the same measure to counter pressures to lower taxes for train rides and rise taxes on flights.

The amount of resources wasted on this phony problem is sad.

As per usual in europe/Britain, it's the people on the margin where every dollar counts who get screwed (eg. Yellow vests).

Most of these carbon offset programs are scams that just claim what already happens. Of course, the owners of these schemes get very wealthy.

I agree that airlines only care about their bottom line but I find your snide tone a bit disingenuous as you could be accused of possessing the same attitude. You travel needlessly around the world creating a rather odious carbon footprint all in the name of lining your pocket. What makes you any different than the airline industry? Pot = Kettle.

@Dennis
Doing nothing is billion times better than putting money (and power) into the wrong hands.

Their domestic flights. Lol.