American Flight Attendants $3 Million Behind On Union Dues

I dont care and it's none of our business.

I suspect if they are active duty, they are paying current dues and this relates primarily to non-work during the pandemic. I wonder how fast they might pay those back dues if they were to keep their jobs, but lose all seniority and become de facto new union members for non-payment.

What is DCU? Never heard of that code

The lowest dues in the industry... except, of course, for DL, which pays the same (on average, including bonuses, commissions, and profit sharing) and has $0 dues.

Interesting. I can't see management wanting to fire those flight attendants. I also wonder if some flight attendants are starting to think what does the union really provide us?

One thing I can tell you from conversations (usually easily overhead sitting in row 1) there's no small number of flight attendants tired of working with other flight attendants that are lazy and want to use COVID as an excuse to sit and play with their phones while on duty or act like they're working in a hazmat area.

Translation: I cared enough to read and comment, and I didn’t like it.

I know it's weird but some of us like airline industry news, which is why we go to websites that feature it.

I am a flight attendant for an airline based in Atlanta and which enjoys no Union affiliation ….we are paid well and bonuses are paid when the company is solidly profitable….there are some serious movements here toward unionization because there are no black and white rules regarding rescheduling and hours worked and even days added on to your trip if weather or other issues should cause cancellations etc etc ….those rules need to be black and white….not gray

AA can't fire them for being rude or shi**Y at their job (per union contract) but can fire them for not paying their dues. Wow, just wow.

I'm generally not anti-union for things like wages, safety benefits etc. But damn.

Don't mislead people. The Atlanta based airline you are refering to has work rules in black and white. The buzz statement you made above is typical union propoganda.

I worked for that same airline from 1989 to 2004. I can assure you the union movement has been going on "seriously" for 25 years. Had we a union then, thousands of "RD's" would have been protected from losing seniority when PanAm was acquired (not merged)...but consistently it was our FA's in "the Southeast" who shot us down. THEY are the ones who need to be convinced that Daddy D will not always be fair.

"My airline group" unionized in 1999 largely because of the same sorts of things. Everyone wants more money, but the lack of clarity and consistency in interpreting and applying all sorts of rules is what pushed a lot of people over.

Specifically, by law, airlines are "closed shops".

Everyone must be a union member to work there and the union alone decides who is a member of the union.

So if one isn't a union member becaause one doesn't do what one must do to be a union member, one cannot work there.

DL's employees have effectively free-loaded off the backs of other companys' union members who have set the bar for pay and work rules.

I'm the sure the work rules are written in black and white.

Speaking from personal experiance, the problem can be the interpretation and implementation of what's written in black and white.

The real world doesn't alway mesh cleanly with the written rule.

Right. Dues for working employees are taken by payroll deduction as part of the union contract.

This is the first time I've ever heard of employees on voluntary furlough being expected to continue to pay dues, not even after 9/11.

But Covid staffing reductions exceeded even 9/11 and the union still has fixed expenses that have to be paid.

The rules are in black and white...until they're not. Which is the whole point. Please, unless you are a current or former in-flight employee of this airline, leave YOUR propaganda out of the conversation.

Is a 14% pay increase since 2002 (20 years) really something that the union should be bragging about? I doubt that beats inflation over that time period.

I hope this writer does a little investigation into how the dues money that APFA collects is spent...there are several union officials who have embezzled mountains of cash.

Speaking from a non-US perspective; how is that legal?! How can a union decide whether someone gets fired or not? Surely people can just choose not to be part of a union and pay dues?

Wait, so cabin crew can’t choose not to be part of the union and therefore choose not to pay dues? That’s crazy!

Not all the UN-represented stews at the un-named ATL based airline agree with AUDL’s comment above. His statement means to imply that all the f/as at that airline are as satisfied with the status-quo, and that’s a different kind of propaganda, in and of itself.

Agreed. And as long as they remain unrepresented, the work done by f/a will continue to be undervalued.

But, why are non-employees so obsessed with f/as? Many folks have an opinion about what we should do and what we should not get. Yet even more pax get on board, and disrespect cabin crew members, in some way or another, on every flight. Why? This is a serious question

Stop saying that it is the unions fault that a lot of fas are lazy.
The core problem is that the union is run by very senior fas, who happen to be.... well seniority oriented in absolutely everything. So they serve themselves...... !!!!!!
We could be unionized and not seniority driven. If our trips and bids were awarded based on performance ,plus attendance perfection, plus seniorty...seniority.... the us airline industry would be another monsters service wise.
All fas have to do to have a better work life is sit and wait. We are not encouraged or rewarded in any way, shape or form to be better in term of the performance.
You are welcome.

The people who read OMAAT, etc are generally the pax who fly frequently, enjoy it, and have a positive attitude towards FAs. In return, we want the FAs to have a similarly positive attitude, and be proud of providing a great service. We're not asking you to be servants like on the Middle Eastern carriers, but just a mutually positive relationship. Problem is that we often don't get this from the older FAs, many of whom can be reasonably presumed to have high seniority. As such, we blame the union's seniority system for rewarding those who are not good at their job at the expense of the often junior FAs we love. Additionally, the union is often opposed to any sort of service improvements, despite many Junior FAs wishing that the service could be improved so they could take more pride in it.
Yes there are exceptions on every side. Some of the pax who follow these blogs are jerks, some senior FAs are great, and some junior FAs are terrible. Generally speaking though, this is the logic behind why we don't like the union and have opinions on these things.

They can’t. American is “closed shop,” meaning it is mandatory to join the union. Since this is the case, there’s probably a clause somewhere allowing the company to terminate employment for nonpayment of union dues.

Oh, you want a meritocracy? That ship sailed in 1970s. Plus, that ain't the union way!

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

Correct. Airlines are all closed shops.

The employees vote to unionize and to do so requires a very high bar, more than simply 50% plus one. In order to unionize. employees must get 50% plus one not just of all the votes cast, but of all the employees. So anybody that doesn't vote in a unionization election is effectively casting a "no" vote.

In exchange for meeting that high bar, something that applies to no other industry, airlines are closed shops.

People who go to work in the airline industry know that and if they don't like it, they can choose to work in another industry. They can't freeload off the sacrifice of their co-workers.

And it's a good question. For some reason, the public seems to think it has something to say about the relationships between third parties in some industries.

The public seems to think they are an interested party to Amazon, but not the Steelworkers Union.

Oh Please. Delta is one of the best employers around. A person should not be forced to join a union and pay dues to work.

Best news I've read all day. Union should file a writ of garnishment and garnish said wages!

Top pay, top profit sharing, etc. Seems like Delta is setting the bar for the unionized airlines to strive for. LOL.

Please stay non union! In the end your better off! This isn't 1943 anymore! Keep in mind that when your flown into your day off your getting compensation for doing that and you have a job!

Well you either pay or you’re not a financial member in good standing and have 30 days to pay or you’re out ! Simple - If it affected their credit rating I’m sure they would pay up.

I WOULD HOPE THIS WRITER WOULD DO THAT.

LOL

I really don’t think you fly that much John based on your comment. Either that or you’re quite young. The senior F/As that you speak of come from the days of carving chateaubriand in the aisle, serving caviar and canapés off 3 tiered carts and decorating cabins/lavs with fresh flowers. We could do full meal services in 50 minutes hand running coach on a 727 and full DC-10 beverage service in 35 min between AUS-DFW. We miss those days with beautiful services. There are Junior F/As today that aren’t happy and think 2 beverage services in 3 hours can’t be done. Seriously. You are way off base. You have a VERY biased comment. I don’t care what company you work for or what position you hold, it seems as if people over 50 are looked at as too old and time to be put out to pasture. Over 60, forget it no matter how much experience you have. It’s a shame Americans don’t honor their older workers as some countries do.

You can decide not to be part of the union, but you still have to pay dues. Why? Because you benefit from negotiated benefits. You don't get to be your own, with different work rules.

Name any labor union without scandal. At least airline unions aren't as bad as teacher unions have been the past two years. My God, they make the Mob look saintly.

Oh puh-leez. Too bad. You win some, you lose some. It's still a free country and if you benefit from momentum, so be it. One doesn't owe their existence
due to others nor should one be punished because of others.

barf! It doesn't have to be 1943 to understand the point of a union. Greedy corporations haven't raised real wages in over 30 years, which is around the time unions began to die off thanks to the PR machines. Your 401k is a great example of that. It was sold to you as "you get control your retirement." That is because greedy companies couldn't control themselves and raided pension funds. But now the reality is that most people are horrible at money management. So we will see a terrible financial crisis soon from all those who didn't save enough for retirement.

Also..it's not about ONLY the pay when it comes to decided union or not.

We've been sold a crazy line in the us that everyone should be happy to work for a corporation, so shut your mouth, don't ask questions and work. That's why everyone hates working, hates their boss and are exhausted and overworked. If the pandemic didn't prove that point to be correct, I don't know what would convince you otherwise. Unions helped people truly balance work and life. My uncle was the sole bread winner in a union in the 70s and 80s. Had a wife and two kids...wife was able to stay home and raise the kids. They built their own house, had 2 cars and still could go on vacation yearly. Today many single earners are having to think about getting a roommate just to get by.

Really not a story... people get behind on dues all the time. Teamster here with the same dues paying requirement as most other unions... wound up several hundred dollars behind on dues after leaving my employer first on layoff and then permanently seperating during the pandemic and even changed locals in the midst of the pandemic.... balance followed me and they just took like $50.00 on top of dues every month until the balance was satisfied... it's pretty common and not a big deal...

Michigan allows for exclusively represented workers to opt out of the union, not pay dues, and still receive the negotiated benefits and pay. The only thing they lose is the right to vote in union elections and the respect of their unionized coworkers.

I think this could be as simple as giving them a modern system by which they could pay their dues. Especially for a group of people that are by definition always on the go, antiquated methods like paying by check will not work. If you provide antiquated or no options, you'll get these kinds of results. Set up an online dues payment system and this number would be drastically reduced.

The AFA-CWA has set up a digital dues payment system that's extremely effective.

Give members the ability to pay using their phones, crazy concept I know.

American loses, the flight attendant’s union loses money, it sounds like a perfect match.

Maybe it's time to vote and go non union, Delta ranks #1 and its labor groups are mostly non union.

I used to invest in the airlines but that was a stupid move - why? The industry has incredible fixed costs maintaining the fleet but labor is the real killer. They always want bigger and better pay raises and if the airline dare have a profitable quarter the union jumps in for more money. Thus, the shareholders get shafted. Of course Biden supports the unions 100% because he doesn't pay a dime to travel and in supporting unions he is buying votes. A very selfish world we live in Master Jack.