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American & Delta End Interline Agreement As Of September 15, 2015

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There are different levels of cooperation between airlines. For example, the highest level of cooperation between airlines is a joint venture, whereby airlines share revenue for a given market. Below that you have codeshares, whereby airlines sell tickets on one another's flights under their own "code." And then you also have airlines with interline agreements,…

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(@Daniel)
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With only a handful of domestic carriers (and even less who interline) this is a big blow if you have irregular ops, especially when leaving a smaller hub.


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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. American Airlines has historically been the most inflexible and arrogant of the US legacy carriers with regards to MITA concurrences and SPAs, while Delta was far more flexible. The tables have turned in the last few years, but I don't doubt that this is payback for something someone at AA did years ago. The guys at Delta have long memories.


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As a new Delta flier, this is a bit annoying just from the standpoint of rebooking and also checking bags across the airlines. That being said, I used to be a UA flier and would fly the ORD-DTW weekly. I would say 15-20% of the time I would book UA and they would end up putting me on DL. Now flying DL for a year (still weekly), they have never once needed to put me on a different airline. I can totally understand why DL is doing this and, frankly, it's probably a better financial decision. Even if they have to pay full price to re-accommodate their elites, they are probably still ahead in the game charging AA (and I assume the same will be happening UA) the same higher price.

Side note: I can't imagine how the conversation will go when an elite on AA is dealing with irrops and there is a DL flight going and AA tells the passenger they won't put them on the flight. If it was Mx, I would be furious.


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So what's the impact on passengers? For example, during irregular operations, be it a weather, crew or mechanical reason, my AA flights were delayed/cancelled, then they won't be able to book me on DL's metal on the same route? or would they purchase full fare F/J/Y to accommodate passengers?


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(@Ben NR)
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This very well might also have something to do with the Battle for Seattle, and AS reducing cooperation with DL and increasing it with AA. Friend of my enemy......


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Delta should reintroduce and update their old slogan: "We love to fly, and it blows..if you're on AA". Can't say I blame Delta, though, as they are operationally so much more efficient. It seems this is AA's doing, not Delta's. Otherwise, Delta would have started with United.


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 Pat
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It looks like Delta gambled and lost. They tried to squeeze AA for a few extra dollars and ended up losing revenue. My prediction is that the two airlines come back to terms in the medium-term.


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You say: "And this seems to come down to Delta wanting more money for accommodating passengers from other airlines, which I don’t think surprises anyone." Not sure how you can come to that definitive conclusion. It may be true...but, you are taking a leap.


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 Jon
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I can't blame Delta for this either. AA's performance has dipped while DL's has vastly improved. It seems AA's hubs at ORD and DFW have had some pretty rough weather-related IRROPS the past couple years to boot, which can't help. That said, this of course affects flyers on both airlines. If SLC, DTW, or MSP get hit hard with weather, DL flyers will be stranded or left with UA to help.

Is DL's gameplan here to cut all domestic partnerships and just out-compete everyone else? While normally a good strategy in most industries, going it alone in this industry seems short-sighted...


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"Not sure how you can come to that definitive conclusion"

Lucky wrote "And this SEEMS to come down to..." When someone says "seems," they aren't drawing a definitive conclusion.

You're right that there is an alternative possibility: that American wanted to pay less than what they had been, rather than Delta now wanting to charge more.


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"Is DL’s gameplan here to cut all domestic partnerships and just out-compete everyone else? While normally a good strategy in most industries, going it alone in this industry seems short-sighted…"

I dunno, seems to work pretty well for Southwest!


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I wonder if the lack of a similar announcement about UA/DL (or UA/AA, for that matter, not taking AA at face value over who's to blame for this) means that they *have* come to terms on an interline agreement, or that we are going to be seeing a similar announcement soon regarding UA.

Greg


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 Chas
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Yet another consequence of airline consolidation. In a truly diverse and competitive environment carriers would not be able to afford not to be party to these agreements.


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(@Chicago Dan)
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For those wondering above, UA already cut new deal with DL. The 5x number of AA - DL v DL - AA during July is very telling. I have a feeling that's closer to the norm rather than the exception. I have a feeling they will work something out before holiday season/winter. Sept - the week before Thanksgiving is a quieter flying period with generally more stable weather.


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 Owen
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Congrats to Oscar Muñoz! One day as UA CEO and already Untied Airlines is best in class in something. For the first time in years, UA can claim to be the best USA carrier in at least one category of service. When IROPS harm their passengers, they'll still have interline agreements with two alternative carriers to relieve the trouble.


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 Andy
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This takes Delta basically into the position of LCC in Europe. While I think all legacy carriers still have interline agreements, the LCC have initially not been allowed in and later refused to join the agreements, because of unfavorable terms in their view.

The impact for the pax is as described, there are fewer alternatives to be rebooked in case of irrops. That can be either irrelavant or very annoying, depending on what are the alternatives on the particular route.

It should also be noted that most airlines would first try to accomodate on their own metal, then on JV or codeshare partners, then on other alliance members and other partner airlines and only as the very last resort on competing interline airlines.


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