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Air France Grounding A380s, KLM Retiring 747s

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The global aviation situation is obviously dire, and we're seeing just about all airlines institute emergency plans. Air France-KLM is the latest airline group to announce major cuts. Air France-KLM has announced some sweeping measures to respond to the current global crisis, as airlines face increasing government restrictions, and a big decrease in demand, which…

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Diamond
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It wouldn’t surprise me if a condition of Dutch government financial support for KLM is a demerger from Air France. Now’s the opportunity.


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(@Rafael)
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How is your business doing right now? I can’t imagine that there’s a great demand for travel with points right now... are you worried about it?


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 AOH
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So sad to see the planes go 🙁
Haven't been on A380 yet


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Diamond
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Virgin Atlantic is stopping flights between Heathrow and Newark, and overall vastly reducing their operations (the goal apparently is 80% reduction in flights per day by 26 March, and grounding 75% of their fleet by same date).


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(@Flieger)
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KLM´s 744 have been a joy to fly. Especially their economy comfort in this plane has been one of the most enjoyable long distance economy experiences I know of. Fond memories flying to all sorts of exciting places with these.


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(@David)
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KLM is not being clear about the retirement of its 744/744Combi fleets... on some sources they have said end of March and in others April. Wouldn't they have some cargo contracts to honor? On some markets the cargo is more profitable than the passengers and cargo can't really pass on the coronavirus.


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Really sad to see the KLM 747s go. They have been an icon of KLM and I'm really disappointed to see them just get rid of them. I've had lots of fond memories both in the back of the B744 Combi with horses neighing and on the upper deck in Business Class. I wish they ordered B748s, but they didn't. KLM is really starting to lose its image and identity 🙁


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 Jan
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Was on a 744 Combi this January (just before this virus went truly global). Glad to have flown in it one last time, even if it wasn't the best in Economy Comfort seating


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Frivolous though it sounds in the middle of a worldwide crisis, I’m bummed about this news. I went out of my way to book a planned trip from Orlando to London in November, to include leg from Vancouver to Amsterdam, just so I could sit in the single seat in the nose of a 744, one last time. Sigh.


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How come no one talked about how AF/KL lost billions from fuel hedge.

KLM hard product deserves to be retired. Only their 787 has direct aisle access.

Too bad I won't have a chance to fly on the 747 combi anymore.


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(@Aniro)
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Eskimo,

Some of us prefer legroom and not being in a coffin to aisle access. I am very sad about this with the 747, as I was booked in economy comfort and business return upstairs, not that the flights will be happening anyway with the travel ban.

Lucky, this is still a rumour regarding their retirement, they have still not confirmed it officially yet.

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 305
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Sad that tonight was maybe the final night seeing the AF A380 depart MIA.

And @Ben, a perk of having to work from home in Miami, I finally got to see the Cathay Pacific Cargo 747 take off this morning!


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(@Bitzer)
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I just saw a KLM 747 landing at yyz this afternoon. Had I been aware I would have taken a picture and saluted it


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(@Eskimo)
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@Aniro

I hate coffins too. But not having aisle is worse. Not because of privacy, but the hassle of climbing over someone. Fortunately Apex Suites solves all this problem. It's just too bad not many airlines fly them. I've flown them on KE and JL.


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