It’s interesting to observe how different airlines approach boarding. Not only are there cultural differences across the globe (just observe boarding in the US vs. Japan), but even within regions some airlines have vastly different boarding procedures (look at American vs. Southwest).
In most of the world, boarding is relatively straightforward. You typically have one lane for priority boarding, and then non-priority passengers are boarded by zone, seat number, etc.
What I can’t quite wrap my head around is just how many priority boarding groups some US airlines — especially American and United — have.
Let’s use American’s boarding process as an example. American has a total of nine boarding groups, and five of those are considered “priority” groups. Those nine groups don’t even include everyone, as Concierge Key members are invited to pre-board. So for all practical purposes there are 10 boarding groups, and six of those are priority.
I don’t understand the logic of this kind of process on so many different levels.
The real reason American has so many boarding groups
The way I view it, the benefit to boarding early is being sure you can get space in the overhead bin for your bags. Is there really a fear that any priority passenger won’t have overhead bin access?
So why does American have six priority boarding groups? Well, I think ultimately it comes down to elite ego stroking, and I sort of get their logic. People love to feel “elite” when they fly, and this contributes to that feeling.
They want to encourage people to go through the ranks. Creating so many groups gives people more to strive for in life. 😉 Man, if I just spent an extra $40,000 per year on American, I too could board before first class. Tempting!
The problem with having so many boarding groups
My real issue with having so many boarding groups is that I feel like American isn’t actually consistently able to deliver on what they’re going for (which is true in so many areas of their operation).
Realistically, the only way they could efficiently board priority passengers in six different groups is to create six different lanes for people to wait in. Instead they have just two lanes for all passengers, with one lane being for Groups 1-4, and the other lane being for Groups 5-9.
So what’s the problem?
- Because everyone crowds the gate during boarding, you can’t even get to the gate when it’s your turn
- Those in Groups 2, 3, or 4, have nowhere to wait, so they inevitably end up crowding the gate area and getting in the way of those who can board first
- Most gate agents don’t enforce the boarding process properly; because there are so many boarding groups, some gate agents will just call boarding groups five seconds apart, before the previous group is even done boarding
Bottom line
It’s interesting to see how often US airlines try to modify their boarding processes to optimize them. I trust that in a test environment their processes probably check out, but those don’t factor in the real life conditions that gate agents deal with.
It’s ironic to me that on one hand airlines are always talking about how they want to reduce turn times and make things more efficient, but at the same time legacy US airlines take more time to board planes than just about anywhere else in the world.
Personally I’d be happy if US airlines offered a single priority boarding group. Or heck, break it up into two groups, and put first class and some elite members in one, and lower tier elite members and co-brand credit card holders in another.
But to have so many boarding groups just seems inefficient to me.
I’m curious how you guys feel about priority boarding — do you like airlines creating a bunch of priority zones, or would you rather see it simplified?
The different boarding tiers are inefficient and in bad faith. You can assume the more boarding classes, the more chaotic and lacking in civility the flying process will be. American, with its 9 or 10 of them, is the worst.
The most ridiculous part is how many people board in group 1, way more than a few first class seats. I never understood that. Then max 1 or 2 people in group 2, 4-5 in group 3, then a dozen in group 4 and like half the plane in group 5 (since a lot of people have the AA credit cards).
And I thought the USA was all about equality and a classless society. No more elites and aristacracy and lords. Not so now we have dozens of classes of people just for getting on a plane. I am Sickened.
Thanks for the article. The groups are ridiculous. The application of them by agents reveals that it's motivated by an ego or class system. For example, after all Groups 1 to 4 board, inevitably someone(s) in Group 5 go into the 1-4 roped off line. Agents make them turn around, often losing their order, and go on the other side of the rope. It's a power/ego issue reinforced by AA staff with no practical effect,...
Thanks for the article. The groups are ridiculous. The application of them by agents reveals that it's motivated by an ego or class system. For example, after all Groups 1 to 4 board, inevitably someone(s) in Group 5 go into the 1-4 roped off line. Agents make them turn around, often losing their order, and go on the other side of the rope. It's a power/ego issue reinforced by AA staff with no practical effect, and it inevitably irritates customers.
What these airlines don't seem to realize is today's non-linear careers...today's economy traveler is tomorrow's corporate flier...and we remember the experience and treatment - including to other customers - when choosing airlines. Why not treat everyone with equal respect even if the services paid for differs?
The bigger issue for me remains the legroom "classes" and crazy costs so the airlines can make more money. I'm in my 50s, former corporate doing a stint of public service, so limited to lowest contracted government fares. The middle seat back of the plane with no leg room four connections two days a week is brutal week after week. I rarely pay for upgrades because it would cost $200 out of pocket a week. I'd like them just to have safe space respectful seating for economy as we used to have.
Why make it difficult, when you can make it impossible?
> What about doing it the old fashioned way– from the back of the plan forward? That is the quickest and most efficient way of boarding with minimal aisle blockage.
On the contrary, this traditional way is the *most inefficient* mechanism. Specifically, the problem is that the people at the back of the plane drop their carryons in the bins at the front of the cabin, causing a cascade effect as soon as the...
> What about doing it the old fashioned way– from the back of the plan forward? That is the quickest and most efficient way of boarding with minimal aisle blockage.
On the contrary, this traditional way is the *most inefficient* mechanism. Specifically, the problem is that the people at the back of the plane drop their carryons in the bins at the front of the cabin, causing a cascade effect as soon as the first passenger (usually about 40% of the way from the front) has to put a bag in a bin behind his seat. Then you get the aisle gridlock as people try to move back and forth on increasingly longer treks, not to mention the same at deplaning. Instead, each cabin should board from the front back.
(American's Basic Economy idiocy is a close second, as BE passengers are both put in the middle seat and required to board last, *guaranteeing* that they'll have to climb over passengers who are already seated. It's impressive that they managed to make BE an annoyance even to people who aren't using it.)
I have just regained my AA "Gold" on last Thursday. Yet my boarding pass for tomorrow is incorrectly assigned "Group 6" instead of "Group 4" for Gold. I wonder if they would stop me from boarding with Group 4? It's important to me because I really need the luggage space in order not to be late for work...
@Tim in response to you wondering about autistic passengers boarding on international airlines : use the code DPNA. YouTube UAE/Dubai blogger Al Ameri has a clip on this.. He shows his family going on a trip using this code correctly and the comfort it brings
Crowding around the gate prior to boarding drives the agents crazy....they have a name for those people..."Gate Leeches". Talk to a flight attendant staffing a narrow body aircraft and you'll hear another annoying result. Premium cabin boards, all 12 or 16 or so. For the next ten minutes the aisle is blocked while these folks get their iPads, laptops and other items out and then start jamming the overheads. Can't be helped. Here's where it...
Crowding around the gate prior to boarding drives the agents crazy....they have a name for those people..."Gate Leeches". Talk to a flight attendant staffing a narrow body aircraft and you'll hear another annoying result. Premium cabin boards, all 12 or 16 or so. For the next ten minutes the aisle is blocked while these folks get their iPads, laptops and other items out and then start jamming the overheads. Can't be helped. Here's where it get's interesting. One, probably more, of those that glued themselves to the gate priority lane will try to use the forward lavatory. The flight deck door is open and blocking access to the lav. The flight attendants are trying to perform a pre-departure service, might be a mechanic with the log book close by, There are economy passengers trying to board. Recommendation: Bound to be a toilet near your gate. Use it.
The real problem is how selfish and dishonest people are. Just stand at any gate and watch the boarding process. There were 12 people boarding Group 1 on an A319, which only has 8 first class seats. None were military from what I saw. Next group 2 boarded with 3 people. The problem there was I’m platinum and the next one on the upgrade list. In fact there were only 3 of us total on...
The real problem is how selfish and dishonest people are. Just stand at any gate and watch the boarding process. There were 12 people boarding Group 1 on an A319, which only has 8 first class seats. None were military from what I saw. Next group 2 boarded with 3 people. The problem there was I’m platinum and the next one on the upgrade list. In fact there were only 3 of us total on the upgrade list and this was a flight under 500 miles. Even Gold get upgraded for free. There were 5 of us boarding this group. I noticed the person in front of me have a group 8 on their boarding pass. The problem isn’t totally on American, the problem is the lack of honesty.
I will give some gate agents credit. If they pull out someone boarding in group 1 which has a higher group number then the process seems to go a lot smoother. On the way back from LAX in terminal 4, a woman got pulled off to the side after trying to board with group one. The agent said in a load voice “You are in group 6 we are boarding group 1 at this time” she then directed the lady towards the ticket counter. Two other people bolted from the line as well. It was amusing to watch as I waited for my delayed flight.
@prabuddha one of the main reasons I choose not to fly Southwest is because I like to know my seat ahead of time. I’d seriously consider dropping AA EP status and fly another airline if they went to “first come, first serve” seating.
And to those saying people would check bags if they’re free: maybe the infrequent leisure travelers might, but there’s no way I’m checking a bag for my 100+ domestic flights for...
@prabuddha one of the main reasons I choose not to fly Southwest is because I like to know my seat ahead of time. I’d seriously consider dropping AA EP status and fly another airline if they went to “first come, first serve” seating.
And to those saying people would check bags if they’re free: maybe the infrequent leisure travelers might, but there’s no way I’m checking a bag for my 100+ domestic flights for business trips and waiting 30 minutes each time for my bag. That’s 50 hours - more than an entire work week - of waiting at a conveyor belt.
YouTube key and peele boarding group 1.
As a deaf person, they let me in with first class. I can't understand what's said over the PA. The best gate control I saw is HKG. The gate agents aren't shy to tell you where to stand. I love it because everything seem to flow easy.
While I rarely fly Southwest I find their easy to understand assignment posts to work great! I fly first with AA more than any other airline and i appreciate the priority lane for groups 1-4. I'd personally rather be 1 or 30 for (GROUP 5) than 1 of 130 especially if no number of any kind were associated. Wouldn't that be like survival of the fastest, quickest, cleverest?
US gate agents exercise zero crowd control. I wish for one day and I would be the strict yet polite enforcer. In the larger airports of Europe and Asia they do it and I love it. There is no doubt where you belong. And especially in Madrid they dont allow gate crowds and rushing for international flights. They shoo people away.
Truth be told, I'm just glad AA calls CKs up first.
Whether the upgrade comes through or not or whether I'm sitting in the front or back, I know I've got a little time to get settled in the cabin. Other than a cart waiting when connections are tight, it's one of the main things I enjoy about CK.
Well, that and the CK events where you get to give a hard verbal poke to Parker and Isom about the job they're doing.
In total agreement with Howard. Charge for overhead and make baggage underneath free.
" I can’t quite wrap my head around is just how many priority boarding groups some US airlines — especially American and United — have."
It's called BAGS PAY FEES TO FLY IN THE HOLD. Grandma is not going to get run over at the gate by some businessperson the age of her grandsons and get her place for a bag stolen.
"In most of the world, boarding is relatively straightforward." Simple. People check their...
" I can’t quite wrap my head around is just how many priority boarding groups some US airlines — especially American and United — have."
It's called BAGS PAY FEES TO FLY IN THE HOLD. Grandma is not going to get run over at the gate by some businessperson the age of her grandsons and get her place for a bag stolen.
"In most of the world, boarding is relatively straightforward." Simple. People check their bags (especially grandmas) because it's free. How many groups does "BAGS FLY FREE" Southwest?
Also, how long does it take to board and deplane from an airlines where BAGS FLY FREE vs. one where they don't?
I remember the day when the boarding process was Disabled, First Class board at your leisure, and then .........
As has been stated here, everyone is elite now by one way or another. As a lifetime 1K, I have given up on being upgraded. If I want First, I buy it. In today's world, I am often able to buy Domestic First for a few dollars more than Economy either with advance purchase P fares...
I remember the day when the boarding process was Disabled, First Class board at your leisure, and then .........
As has been stated here, everyone is elite now by one way or another. As a lifetime 1K, I have given up on being upgraded. If I want First, I buy it. In today's world, I am often able to buy Domestic First for a few dollars more than Economy either with advance purchase P fares or even last minute when UA decides it's better to get $99.00 more for the first class seat than give it to the next 1K on the list. International? That's what miles are for.
@Mary -- There used to be lanes for each group and it was an even bigger "cluster f**k", whereas with the current system, as I and others who do not live out west have indicated, things work out relatively well. More to the point is that the real problem is not the 20 members of the military or 10-15 1Ks. Rather, it is folks who refuse to do as instructed and remain seated until their group is called...
As Zimm has pointed out United now lumps 6 boarding groups into one with no lanes and pre-boarding is consistently a complete cluster f**k. In my home airport of SAN there can easily be 20 members of the military on a flight. Then sometimes 10-15 1Ks. That is a mess of people hovering around and not in a line before adding in multiple families and strollers and then the wheelchairs. There need to be real lines for each group.
Last summer I was flying with BA out of LHR and DL out of FCO and both times they had a gate agent checking everyones boarding pass before they can even begin to line up. They were just checking to see what group you were in, and to make sure you weren't "cutting the order." It caused commotion at both airports, but boarding was only delayed at LHR (or maybe it was just BA thing...
Last summer I was flying with BA out of LHR and DL out of FCO and both times they had a gate agent checking everyones boarding pass before they can even begin to line up. They were just checking to see what group you were in, and to make sure you weren't "cutting the order." It caused commotion at both airports, but boarding was only delayed at LHR (or maybe it was just BA thing ;)) . Not sure if that's how they do it at all European airports, but I still think that the US way was better compared to what I witnessed at LHR and FCO.
Does a senior citizen flying with AA with a basic economy ticket still have to board last?
I actually really like many boarding groups. People who fly (and spend) more should be able to board earlier. To be honest, I’d create more groups to differentiate even more. Most importantly however is that group boarding is correctly enforced and that IT supports gate agents!
It probably also depends on wether you are trying to board a turboprop or a 380...
The fight for overhead bin space is what drives the jockeying around the gate and the whole "lice" phenomenon. This is because nobody wants to check a bag on American, even when it's free to do at the gate.
Why? Because compared to the other US carriers, American is absolutely *terrible* at timely baggage delivery. At their hub airports you are almost guaranteed a minimum 30-minute wait in front of a motionless carousel. I'm not...
The fight for overhead bin space is what drives the jockeying around the gate and the whole "lice" phenomenon. This is because nobody wants to check a bag on American, even when it's free to do at the gate.
Why? Because compared to the other US carriers, American is absolutely *terrible* at timely baggage delivery. At their hub airports you are almost guaranteed a minimum 30-minute wait in front of a motionless carousel. I'm not sure the root causes - understaffed baggage handling, priority given to connecting bags, or some combination thereof - but it's been awful for as long as I can remember.
At my home airport (LAX), Delta, United and Alaska routinely have bags waiting for you on the carousel when you come down the escalator. American, for some reason, cannot manage to do the same. Fly enough with them and you develop an almost instinctive phobia of having your bag checked.
Just when I thought your articles couldn't get worse. As a group 3/4 pax I cab unequivocally tell you you're wrong. AA has the best process. Every group is clearly labeled with a number making it easy to follow. Your bias against AA is really excessive at this point
I am not familiar with this company's articles, but having been an AA traveler a long time, and to many places, I can attest that they have gone down in quality and service a lot, and the groups haven't made it better, only worse. AA is one of the worst airlines I have flown, and my current flight with them confirms it.
How about charging $25 per carry on and first checked bag free? That will speed up the boarding process. Remember the days when they don’t charge checked bags? Boarding was so much easier then.
@Zymm -- It could well be a SFO thing, as the airport is generally known to be top elite-heavy.
Recently traveled a lot on Latam and Aerolineas Argentinas... boarding by sections starting with the rear of the aircraft and boarding by seat (window, middle, aisle) with lines before boarding. Both types of boarding went very fast.
I don't believe anyone on here saying there is no bin space left in group 4. Maybe your bag needs to go a row or two up or back, but there IS space. If you're group 4 your are likely gold and all the other elites got to the MCE row before you. In the event that there is no space I move peoples stuff around that isn't a roll a board because it shouldn't...
I don't believe anyone on here saying there is no bin space left in group 4. Maybe your bag needs to go a row or two up or back, but there IS space. If you're group 4 your are likely gold and all the other elites got to the MCE row before you. In the event that there is no space I move peoples stuff around that isn't a roll a board because it shouldn't be up there unless everyones boarded and theres still space. This usually causes them to freak out because its a laptop bag or something that should be in the seat in front of them, and I let them know that to their face. I don't care what your status is, you get one item on top and the rest below your seat.
AA is the worst airline I have ever travelled on and my number 1 on the worst airlines. This is coming from someone who has actually flown on Air Koryo!
@DCS Maybe it's an SFO thing (IAD is also not great, mainly because of the gate setups). The upgrade lists on my flights are routinely 100+ and I've been using that as an indication of how boarding is going to go. The last time I was on an SFO-ORD flight boarding was delayed quite a bit and I counted a good chunk of pre-boards, so that's where my 50+ numbers are coming from. It's also...
@DCS Maybe it's an SFO thing (IAD is also not great, mainly because of the gate setups). The upgrade lists on my flights are routinely 100+ and I've been using that as an indication of how boarding is going to go. The last time I was on an SFO-ORD flight boarding was delayed quite a bit and I counted a good chunk of pre-boards, so that's where my 50+ numbers are coming from. It's also a route where you get international configured widebody aircraft, and with the increased capacity you get longer lines and bigger crowds. I'm happy to concede that ORD is usually much better. If it's only a problem at SFO, maybe it would make sense to change the gate setup so there's a pre-boarding area just at SFO. I've seen this in Tokyo and it seems to work well.
When I was down under last year I had the opportunity to fly on Jet Star and Air New Zealand. The boarding process was incredibly simple and surprisingly organized. Rows 1-15 formed a neat orderly line to board from the front of the plane via the jetway and rows 16-30 did the same but boarded from the back of the plane. No one was crowding the gate or pushing and shoving to get on the plane.
@Zymm -- I've been recently flying out of EWR, but even when I fly out LGA as I usually do for convenience, I am invariably heading over to a UA hub (usually ORD). What's more, most of my flights are international. Since UA instituted their current boarding process, I have simply not seen 50+ pre-boarders or even the type of unruly congregation that one used to see in the past.
So, "There’s no place...
@Zymm -- I've been recently flying out of EWR, but even when I fly out LGA as I usually do for convenience, I am invariably heading over to a UA hub (usually ORD). What's more, most of my flights are international. Since UA instituted their current boarding process, I have simply not seen 50+ pre-boarders or even the type of unruly congregation that one used to see in the past.
So, "There’s no place for pre-boarders to congregate" precisely because people are not supposed to congregate! They need to remain seated until called, although it is common for top elites to begin filling lane 1 when it gets closer to boarding time.
As a 1K, I pre-board and it is has been a smooth process nearly every time. In fact, reading some of the comments here, it seems that a few others have had experiences that are more similar to mine than to yours:
@WHS: "Lucky, I’m not sure you’re considering United’s new boarding order. Gone are the five lanes, and boarding is now much more streamlined with just lane 1 and lane 2."
@Stuart: "United though actually has the most sane process. And it discourages people from congregating."
G'day.
@Mike: Randomizing is pretty efficient--which is why Southwest doesn't have assigned seats, of course. But it's not optimal.
The best way, which is obviously a practical impossibility for a commercial airline, is to board back-to-front, every other row, first the windows, then the middles, then the aisles. (The reason for every-other-row is that the center aisles aren't wide enough for two people from each row to stand in the aisle at the same time to...
@Mike: Randomizing is pretty efficient--which is why Southwest doesn't have assigned seats, of course. But it's not optimal.
The best way, which is obviously a practical impossibility for a commercial airline, is to board back-to-front, every other row, first the windows, then the middles, then the aisles. (The reason for every-other-row is that the center aisles aren't wide enough for two people from each row to stand in the aisle at the same time to stow bags.)
For a hypothetical six-row, single-aisle plane, the optimum boarding order is:
6AF, 4AF, 2AF, 5AF, 3AF, 1AF, 6BE, 4BE, 2BE, 5BE, 3BE, 1BE, 6CD, 4CD, 2CD, 5CD, 3CD, 1CD
I won't hold my breath :)
Maybe the real question is why do people carry on so much stuff? Eliminate checked bag fees and some of the gate crowding issue and slow boarding goes away. Maybe spacesaver bins will help. Also, improve baggage handling so people have a higher level of confidence that their bag will arrive with them. The statistics on mishandled bags seem to indicate that this rarely happens but it has only to happen once to leave a...
Maybe the real question is why do people carry on so much stuff? Eliminate checked bag fees and some of the gate crowding issue and slow boarding goes away. Maybe spacesaver bins will help. Also, improve baggage handling so people have a higher level of confidence that their bag will arrive with them. The statistics on mishandled bags seem to indicate that this rarely happens but it has only to happen once to leave a lasting fear. And if it is misplaced for days or forever, one never gets reimbursed properly and made whole again no matter how good your card protection is, travel insurance or the airlines own special way of calculating your loss and damages.
Under the current climate, the current boarding chaos is predictable and probably not easily solved.
Last 2 AA flights, paid premium economy upgrade into Group 4, and both times that is still too late for any overhead space left. :-(
@DCS Maybe you don't fly out of UA hubs very often. I'm typically on flights where there are now 50+ people in the pre-boarding groups for domestic hub-hub flights, with another 50+ people in group 1. There's no place for pre-boarders to congregate, and at some airports the only access to the gate is through the two roped off lines. This leads to a lot of chaos and shoving during the pre-board period.
It's...
@DCS Maybe you don't fly out of UA hubs very often. I'm typically on flights where there are now 50+ people in the pre-boarding groups for domestic hub-hub flights, with another 50+ people in group 1. There's no place for pre-boarders to congregate, and at some airports the only access to the gate is through the two roped off lines. This leads to a lot of chaos and shoving during the pre-board period.
It's worse on international flights, since many people in the large premium cabins don't understand why there are so many groups being called before Group 1. More than once I've seen GAs have to physically block access to the gate while they usher 1k through while yelling '1K ONLY, NOT Group 1'
@Zym sez: "LOL at the people saying United has the fewest groups. They have 11 groups, but 6 of them are lumped together into ‘pre-boarding’
...It goes
1) Unaccompanied Minors
2) Disabilities
3) Active Military
4) GS
5) Families w/ small children
6) 1k (and people in group 1 who are hard of hearing or just pushy will try to board here, requiring much yelling from the GA)"
@Zym sez: "LOL at the people saying United has the fewest groups. They have 11 groups, but 6 of them are lumped together into ‘pre-boarding’
It goes
1) Unaccompanied Minors
2) Disabilities
3) Active Military
4) GS
5) Families w/ small children
6) 1k (and people in group 1 who are hard of hearing or just pushy will try to board here, requiring much yelling from the GA)"
You are actually right that UA lumps those 6 "groups" into "pre-boarding", but I am not sure why you think i that's funny or disingenuous. It is actually a real solution that has considerably streamlined the boarding process for UA. The reason it made sense to lump folks in those 6 categories into 'pre-boarding' is that took care of people who might slow down the process, took care of very top elites, it honored our military, and there were usually not that many people to pre-board. The end result is that it actually achieved some efficiency!
Bottom line: UA effectively has 5 groups, which, based on personal experience, seems to work...
@mark
As Gold, you should be boarding with Group 4, not Group 3. Here we see why the system fails... because numbers are hard.
I think I can answer the question about why there are so many boarding groups, by quoting a January 2017 article by one of my favorite bloggers, some guy named Lucky or maybe Ben?
"On the surface I think it’s logical to put everyone (except Concierge Key members) in an actual group, rather than just having a bunch of “priority” passengers, who in reality have different priorities. It avoids confusion."
"So these changes seem logical...
I think I can answer the question about why there are so many boarding groups, by quoting a January 2017 article by one of my favorite bloggers, some guy named Lucky or maybe Ben?
"On the surface I think it’s logical to put everyone (except Concierge Key members) in an actual group, rather than just having a bunch of “priority” passengers, who in reality have different priorities. It avoids confusion."
"So these changes seem logical enough and should make things easier, even if on the surface the thought of nine groups (and the first four being priority) doesn’t seem great."
I find there almost never anyone in group 2. I am always group 3 (gold) I guess not many Plat Pros out there as if you go that much your probably get exec.
What about doing it the old fashioned way-- from the back of the plan forward? That is the quickest and most efficient way of boarding with minimal aisle blockage.
Another option to really speed the boarding process would be to invert the baggage fees-- charge for overhead bin bags and free checked in bags. Suddenly passengers will embark / disembark much quicker.
there should be 2 boarding groups:
1. me
2. everybody else
I think Delta and Southwest have the best system, aside from mine.
I’m flying basic economy today sitting in 28B :( but since I am group 5 for having citi advantage I am confident when I get to the back of the plane there will still be plenty of overhead.
"some gate agents will just call boarding groups five seconds apart, before the previous group is even done boarding"
My favorite are regional flights, like an E145.
Its literally one sentence with no breaks.
"Welcome aboard we're now boarding our conciergekey and military and families and now group 1 and welcome aboard group 2 group 3 and now boarding group 4...."
Theres 32 of us gang. we dont all need our own group.
4 groups, 5 at most, is all you need:
Group 1: First class and/or top-tier elites (oneworld emerald), regardless of whether they get this through points/miles or a credit card. (Oh, and active duty military, because America.)
Group 2: Business class and second-top tier elites (oneworld sapphire).
[Group 3: Premium economy, if PE exists on the aircraft type.]
Group 4: Economy
Group 5: Basic economy.
ConciergeKey? Group 1. Flying J with no F on the...
4 groups, 5 at most, is all you need:
Group 1: First class and/or top-tier elites (oneworld emerald), regardless of whether they get this through points/miles or a credit card. (Oh, and active duty military, because America.)
Group 2: Business class and second-top tier elites (oneworld sapphire).
[Group 3: Premium economy, if PE exists on the aircraft type.]
Group 4: Economy
Group 5: Basic economy.
ConciergeKey? Group 1. Flying J with no F on the aircraft? Group 2, straight away.
As a reminder, the best way to ensure that boarding is as fast as possible is by randomising instead of forcing boarding by rows (this has been statistically proven), so the fact that the bulk of the passengers board in the same group (4) doesn't really matter.
LOL at the people saying United has the fewest groups. They have 11 groups, but 6 of them are lumped together into 'pre-boarding'
It goes
1) Unaccompanied Minors
2) Disabilities
3) Active Military
4) GS
5) Families w/ small children
6) 1k (and people in group 1 who are hard of hearing or just pushy will try to board here, requiring much yelling from the GA)
7)...
LOL at the people saying United has the fewest groups. They have 11 groups, but 6 of them are lumped together into 'pre-boarding'
It goes
1) Unaccompanied Minors
2) Disabilities
3) Active Military
4) GS
5) Families w/ small children
6) 1k (and people in group 1 who are hard of hearing or just pushy will try to board here, requiring much yelling from the GA)
7) Group 1: Plat, Gold, *Gold, Premium Cabins
8) Group 2: Silver, *Silver, Purchased Premium boarding, CC holders
9) Group 3: No status economy
10) Group 4: No status economy
11) Group 5: No status Basic economy
All of this through two lines. Simple!
They can also do what's done on smaller regional jets, and just make everyone gate check their bags. Just do away with overhead bins entirely. Who knows, they may even be able to stick some more seats up there.
Simple solution is dont have boarding groups. Let elites choose their seats. In the choosing seats section of the website say allow your group 3 to choose seats from 20-25, group 4 seats from 25 -30 all the way down to group 9. If people with different levels are travelling together they can choose seats together in the least category in the group or sit separate. Once the privilege has been given during seat selection...
Simple solution is dont have boarding groups. Let elites choose their seats. In the choosing seats section of the website say allow your group 3 to choose seats from 20-25, group 4 seats from 25 -30 all the way down to group 9. If people with different levels are travelling together they can choose seats together in the least category in the group or sit separate. Once the privilege has been given during seat selection just do boarding by row numbers starting at First, Business, Premium Economy and down.
Southwest has by far the most groups; each group is made to queue up in a pretty orderly system, which is the thing that makes it work. Essentially, there are groups of 5 for however many people are on the plane (A1-5; A6-10; A11-15...etc etc).
However it's kind of annoying and humiliating to queue up like that. Sort of publicly shames those in back. So now SW lets you buy your way right to the front. Genius!
I believe the airlines should allow one free checked bag and start charging for a carry on. It’s people “nesting” with all the junk they are hauling onto the plane to avoid a checked bag charge that mostly makes it take so long to board! Also, if they additionally boarded from the back of the plane forward, passengers wouldn’t be held up in the isles by all of the people nesting.
On US carriers , two of us with our autistic child can board early after vernal request or request on reservation but what happens on foreign carriers? Do they know what special needs or autism means and they allow allow early boarding? Very curious ! Maybe show the translation on phone to the agent? Thanks
I just flew DL through ATL and was impressed at how efficient the boarding was with the designated lanes (we had an outstanding, sassy gate agent who kindly but firmly kept everyone in check, which probably helped).
Often to torture myself I will read airlines' Twitter feeds to see what people are complaining about, and for @AmericanAir a recurring theme is "I'm supposed to have priority boarding but instead I'm in group 3/4/5" and...
I just flew DL through ATL and was impressed at how efficient the boarding was with the designated lanes (we had an outstanding, sassy gate agent who kindly but firmly kept everyone in check, which probably helped).
Often to torture myself I will read airlines' Twitter feeds to see what people are complaining about, and for @AmericanAir a recurring theme is "I'm supposed to have priority boarding but instead I'm in group 3/4/5" and AA has to explain that it's still priority boarding.
FWIW, I am ever-so-slightly hard of hearing, especially with voices over a PA system (especially especially from speakers for whom English may not be a first language), and the one thing I wish is that more airlines/airports used the screens to indicate which group is boarding. AA at DCA is pretty good about this.
I am united 1K and I prefer to board last. I have not desire to sit in that plane as early as possible just to have people shove past me and be exposed to bad airs, germs etc. They also seem to block cellphone signals on dreamliners and some other plan types
I check in my bags (for free) every single time as I don't want to deal with the monkey overhead bin rush....
I am united 1K and I prefer to board last. I have not desire to sit in that plane as early as possible just to have people shove past me and be exposed to bad airs, germs etc. They also seem to block cellphone signals on dreamliners and some other plan types
I check in my bags (for free) every single time as I don't want to deal with the monkey overhead bin rush. It's worth the short wait at the arriving airport versus having to deal with all those folks being charged otherwise to check in their bag.
Point is, make the first bag free for everyone and it will make flying much better for everyone!
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Then there are those who want to be on the plane first to show off their "status" vs the "commoners". Poor egocentric bastards, we all know our employees pay for the business class tickets anyways and not us.
This Italian short comedy is one of my favs. The boarding process is totally like American's, lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHBYfxe_Yk&t=681s
Having been platinum, PP, and EP the last three years, I agree that it’s something used the induce people to earn that next level of status...
At the same time, I don’t really see a problem with it. When a gate agent does their job well, boarding generally happens fairly efficiently. I think it’s more a cultural thing - how we do lines here in the US. There are just a lot of infrequent travelers...
Having been platinum, PP, and EP the last three years, I agree that it’s something used the induce people to earn that next level of status...
At the same time, I don’t really see a problem with it. When a gate agent does their job well, boarding generally happens fairly efficiently. I think it’s more a cultural thing - how we do lines here in the US. There are just a lot of infrequent travelers and when boarding starts, they line up near the gate and it is what it is. Hell, Southwest technically has like 15 boarding groups but they also have those dumb number stands to get them organized. I’d much rather travel with clearly defined groups like American rather than a jumbled mess.
Airlines could learn a couple things from Spirit's boarding process. (Speaking solely in terms of boarding)
They board disabled and families of course, priority first, then from back to front, it accelerates boarding and de-stresses by preventing backing up into the Jetbridge. People enjoy the process much more as opposed to boarding front to back.
Granted AA has premium economy which should be group two but from there on could be back to front eliminating...
Airlines could learn a couple things from Spirit's boarding process. (Speaking solely in terms of boarding)
They board disabled and families of course, priority first, then from back to front, it accelerates boarding and de-stresses by preventing backing up into the Jetbridge. People enjoy the process much more as opposed to boarding front to back.
Granted AA has premium economy which should be group two but from there on could be back to front eliminating the need for up to 8 groups instead having three for regular economy in the back, four for economy in the front, and five for basic economy with separate boarding lanes for each like UAL.
Delta is testing a hybrid thing at ATL.
You pre line up like WN. But by group rather than position.
Each group gets called at a time and no more extra priority lane.
The Pro: DL saves money by having 1 gate agent.
The Con: It's a mess if you missed your priority boarding group, especially ATL size many times you arrive to the gate after boarding started.
My theory on boarding.
No system works because passengers don't follow it.
Assigned seat row 8, paid extra. Overhead bin available in row 27. American Airlines allows anything carryon, including a large scateboard. Its whole boarding process is ridiculous .
i see a lot of folks going on, limping, as special needs, first on, but they run off, must be the drinks onboard, miracles do happen, Then familes with young kids, plus military, which is great,
The most annoying is you pay for economy comfort, or get 1st, to find some one coming on board just puts their two carry on,s in it. so others abit later have to place rheir carry on,s further...
i see a lot of folks going on, limping, as special needs, first on, but they run off, must be the drinks onboard, miracles do happen, Then familes with young kids, plus military, which is great,
The most annoying is you pay for economy comfort, or get 1st, to find some one coming on board just puts their two carry on,s in it. so others abit later have to place rheir carry on,s further back, and when deplaning, it causes hold ups.I think its not too bad, gtheboarding process.
i see a lot of folks going on, limping, as special needs, first on, but they run off, must be the drinks onboard, miracles do happen, Then familes with young kids, plus military, which is great,
The most annoying is you pay for economy comfort, or get 1st, to find some one coming on board just puts their two carry on,s in it. so others abit later have to place rheir carry on,s further...
i see a lot of folks going on, limping, as special needs, first on, but they run off, must be the drinks onboard, miracles do happen, Then familes with young kids, plus military, which is great,
The most annoying is you pay for economy comfort, or get 1st, to find some one coming on board just puts their two carry on,s in it. so others abit later have to place rheir carry on,s further back, and when deplaning, it causes hold ups.I think its not too bad, gtheboarding process.
What makes it worse is when American starts the boarding process 15 minutes early, so people in early priority groups.l show up when the rest of the plane is boarding.
Delta is close to getting it right - Effectively four groups, First/Comfort +, Sky Priority, Main Cabin 1 (which includes credit cards and Silver) and Main Cabin 2 (basically everywhere else), with dedicated waiting areas for each.
As an exec plat with American I agree. I normally just carry on a small under the seat bag so I refuse to fight the masses to board with Group One. I just wait until the final boarding call as...why do I need to be on a plane for any longer than is necessary?
United though actually has the most sane process. And it discourages people from congregating.
The worst though is LATAM. My god, it's a free for all.
Lucky, I’m not sure you’re considering United’s new boarding order. Gone are the five lanes, and boarding is now much more streamlined with just lane 1 and lane 2.
Everyone wants to board as early as possible in order to get overhead space. But let's discuss the real issue instead of having 8 boarding groups. People putting oversized carry on bags up top. Along with their personal item, their purse, their jacket/coat, their dog (too soon?), and sometimes their bedding/pillow from their seat since United likes to put all of that plastic wrapped Polaris junk at your seat before boarding and now people have...
Everyone wants to board as early as possible in order to get overhead space. But let's discuss the real issue instead of having 8 boarding groups. People putting oversized carry on bags up top. Along with their personal item, their purse, their jacket/coat, their dog (too soon?), and sometimes their bedding/pillow from their seat since United likes to put all of that plastic wrapped Polaris junk at your seat before boarding and now people have no place to put it. There is no overhead space because people abuse the fact that bag sizes/personal items aren't visually checked anymore. If you check in through your mobile or a kiosk, who is checking your bag size/personal item? Nobody. Some personal items are like another mini suitcase. Hence why when I sit in 24D, my bags are back by 28C.
“What I can’t quite wrap my head around is just how many priority boarding groups some US airlines — especially American and United — have.”
Your bias is almost pathetic at this point. UA has the fewest boarding groups among US3, and yet somehow you name them and not DL and their new 50 shades of purple boarding chart.
Apparently straight up integer math is spin worthy.
Easy solution is to charge for carry on and make checked baggage free.
I think Delta is just as bad and less honest. At least with AAs crappy system you know your a number and how far you are down the chain.
I've never understood the need for all those groups in the US. European and Asian carriers only seem to have one or two priority boarding groups, which seems much more efficient. I feel that boarding usually goes a lot faster with fewer groups?
Love the physically separated lines that southwest and delta (large airport) are doing. No questions, no argument, no pushing showing.
I prefer Delta’s system: queue up points for first and comfort+, followed by a point for priority and then a couple of standard coach groups. AA’s attempt to organize the crowd prior to boarding just doesn’t work.
@debit. Shocking comment from you. How surprising
I just wish that the gate agents would stop saying "pre-board" when they should be saying "early boarding" or "board early." Pre-boarding is what you're doing when you're waiting to board the plane.
As for all of the boarding groups and ensuing boarding chaos on AA, those are two of the many reasons that I gave up my EXP on AA and switched all of my business to DL three years ago. DL isn't...
I just wish that the gate agents would stop saying "pre-board" when they should be saying "early boarding" or "board early." Pre-boarding is what you're doing when you're waiting to board the plane.
As for all of the boarding groups and ensuing boarding chaos on AA, those are two of the many reasons that I gave up my EXP on AA and switched all of my business to DL three years ago. DL isn't perfect, but their staff is much more consistent in following prescribed procedures.
As a PP elite based in PHL, I far prefer Americans boarding compared to United or southwest. I hate the idea of having to line up. It makes me feel like I have to be at the gate 10-15 minutes early if there is a line, whereas I feel reasonably good that with AA, I can show up a few minutes early and board with group 3, no problem.
I agree it can seem unorganized at the gate, but united’s Lines seem awful to me.
The problem with having so many boarding groups is the chaos it creates. Doubtless you and everyone else reading here observed dozens of times boarding in Europe and Asia is so much easier: if you are first or business go here; everyone else go over there.
My most recent two AA flights once again underscored the overly complex AA system: people in groups 5 to 9 start to line up at the stanchion for...
The problem with having so many boarding groups is the chaos it creates. Doubtless you and everyone else reading here observed dozens of times boarding in Europe and Asia is so much easier: if you are first or business go here; everyone else go over there.
My most recent two AA flights once again underscored the overly complex AA system: people in groups 5 to 9 start to line up at the stanchion for groups 5 to 9, only to find out after 1 to 4 have boarded -- which takes so much time because they have to call out a bazillion different entitled groups of which I am no longer one :) -- that they'll be boarding 5 to 9 through the same lane where people who did not line up are crowding the area waiting to board with their basic economy boarding pass.
On FlyerTalk people talk about the "gate lice" ... rather than a therapeutic shampoo this non-solution just made the lice spread more.
Gate-lice are indeed an issue. For BA at Heathrow there are now 5 lines for the 5 groups where practical so it's getting better -- and they did it after listening to customer feedback. But at outstations it's often 1-3 and then 4-5, so the priority line is very crowded.
9 is a stretch. I have a feeling 4 to 5 is the right number. But then again, AA have so many levels of status...
Gate-lice are indeed an issue. For BA at Heathrow there are now 5 lines for the 5 groups where practical so it's getting better -- and they did it after listening to customer feedback. But at outstations it's often 1-3 and then 4-5, so the priority line is very crowded.
9 is a stretch. I have a feeling 4 to 5 is the right number. But then again, AA have so many levels of status to start with... What was wrong with Bronze, Silver, Gold (or Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald)? There was no need for 2 extras and CK on top...
So here I am waiting to board my AA flight in Group 3 and I agree that Boarding is a total cluster F.
I think you are correct in concluding that earlier boarding is FOR getting your bag up but wrong in concluding that all elites can get their bag up. There are frequently flights where Zone 4 (Gold) and Zone 5 (Credit Card) do not. There are often flights where Platinums are putting...
So here I am waiting to board my AA flight in Group 3 and I agree that Boarding is a total cluster F.
I think you are correct in concluding that earlier boarding is FOR getting your bag up but wrong in concluding that all elites can get their bag up. There are frequently flights where Zone 4 (Gold) and Zone 5 (Credit Card) do not. There are often flights where Platinums are putting their bags in rows behind their seats. That’s why you see elites doing the gate lice dance especially on flights with upgrade lists of 50+. I am hoping the new overhead bins will help.