Airlines With Strange Seatbelt Sign Policies…

I just took a very long EVA Air flight (more on that shortly), which reminds me of how the Taiwanese Star Alliance carrier takes an odd approach to using the seatbelt sign. I figured this would be a fun topic to discuss more broadly, as I’m curious to hear what OMAAT readers think…

The seatbelt sign serves an important purpose

To state the obvious, the seatbelt sign is supposed to be there for everyone’s safety. In addition to passengers needing to be seated during critical phases of flight (like takeoff and landing), turbulence can be dangerous if you’re not buckled in, since you can easily get injured.

As passengers, we don’t really know what the ride conditions will be like. While pilots can’t predict with 100% accuracy what turbulence will be like, they know a lot more than we do. After all, they can see in the direction the plane is flying, they can monitor radars, they can get turbulence reports from other pilots, etc.

Admittedly pilots are in an unenviable position, and almost have an incentive to keep the seatbelt sign on. If there’s serious turbulence and passengers get injured, the pilots and airline could be blamed for it (we’ve seen passengers sue airlines due to injuries from turbulence when the seatbelt sign wasn’t on). At the same time, if you just constantly keep the seatbelt sign on, people will start ignoring it, and won’t take it seriously.

Pilots have a better sense of the weather than passengers

The different ways airlines approach the seatbelt sign

Airlines train their pilots to use the seatbelt sign in a certain way. Sure, individual pilots will have their own interpretation on those rules, but you’ll usually find pilots at a given airline are pretty consistent. On some level I’d say this is even cultural, by region.

I’m very much generalizing here, but here are my observations:

  • In the United States, I find that pilots usually err on the side of caution, probably reflecting how litigious our society is; they keep the sign on for a long time after takeoff and turn it on a long time before landing, and also turn it on if there are even mild bumps
  • In Asia, I often find that pilots turn the seatbelt sign off very quickly after takeoff (within a matter of minutes), but then they’ll turn it on really early before landing, which almost seems to be more about helping the crew prepare the cabin for landing than anything else; when there’s turbulence, they’re usually not quite as quick to turn on the sign as crews in the United States
  • In Europe, I find that pilots generally take a middle-ground approach, and the sign goes off pretty quickly after takeoff and only goes back on shortly before landing; then they’ll turn on the sign during the flight if there’s a significant amount of turbulence

Again, I’m totally generalizing here, as some airlines are outliers, but I think it’s more true than not.

That brings me to EVA Air, which I find to be one of the strangest airlines when it comes to using the seatbelt sign. On my previous long haul EVA Air flight several years, I specifically remember how the pilots never turned off the seatbelt sign, even though the flight was smooth.

Now I just flew EVA Air on a long haul flight again, and it was smooth almost the entire way. I’d say that collectively the seatbelt sign was off for an hour. Basically it was just randomly turned off at certain intervals, and then would be turned on again if there was a single bump, and stay on for many hours.

Does anyone know what EVA Air’s policy is? Does the airline just train pilots not to turn off the seatbelt sign? And if so, what’s the logic? That almost seems counterproductive in terms of ensuring passenger safety, since passengers won’t ever take the sign serious when it’s turned on.

Airlines take very different approaches to the seatbelt sign

Using the bathroom when the seatbelt sign is on

Having the seatbelt sign on is one thing, but what about crews actually enforcing the seatbelt sign when illuminated? Obviously EVA Air doesn’t enforce the seatbelt sign, since it’s on a vast majority of time.

While I do everything I can to reasonably obey the seatbelt sign when it’s illuminated, at the end of the day, using the bathroom is sometimes a necessity. In the United States, if you disobey the seatbelt signs, crews will generally remind you that the seatbelt sign is on.

That doesn’t mean “you’re going to be arrested if you don’t listen to me,” but rather it essentially seems to be a way to tell people that they’re leaving their seat at their own risk (the below Key & Peele skit comes to mind).

Now, you’re not going to want to use the lavatory while taxiing, taking off, or landing, since that could cause operational issues, and you could get in trouble. But unless the turbulence is very bad, disobeying the sign within reason shouldn’t be an issue.

Bottom line

Airlines around the globe taking very different approaches to how they use the seatbelt sign. I can appreciate the desire to err on the side of caution, though I also think it’s important to limit its use, so that passengers take the sign seriously when it is on.

While the approach pilots take to seatbelt signs vary by region and airline, there are some oddballs. EVA Air is in my experience one of the strangest airlines with the seatbelt sign, as pilots usually just keep the sign on for the entire flight. I’d sure be curious to understand what the logic is for that.

What patterns have you noticed with how airlines use the seatbelt sign?

Conversations (32)
The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered.
Comment as a member

Membership is free and takes no more information than commenting as a guest. Earn status points for good contributions, and see fewer ads as your status grows.

Type your response here.

If you'd like to participate in the discussion, please adhere to our commenting guidelines. Anyone can comment, and your email address will not be published. Register to save your unique username and earn special OMAAT reputation perks!

  1. Loading comments…
Recent Comments
The latest from the OMAAT community.

The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered.

Johann Member

I am wa-a-y out of date on this and not sure if it could have any relationship whatsoever to seat belt signs but... I was often in Taipei in the 1980s. At that time the major boulevards through the city had unusual traffic lights for vehicles. The intersections, including major boulevards / streets crossing each other had the usual red /green light traffic lights. However, both the red and green lights were both on continuously all four ways at the intersections! They literally never went off. I asked about this locally and was told that most people just considered the lights as the starting point for an argument if there was an accident. Is this still the case in Taipei? If not then when did it stop?

0
‼ 0
Asap Guest

I flew Air China for two long-hail segments and they just keep the light on the whole time, at that point the seatbelt sign is little more than decoration

0
‼ 0
John Guest

I've been finding it more and more ridiculous how often the seat belt sign is on with Southwest these days. On a recent flight I was sitting near the front and we hit a slight bump. I was illustrating to my companion how quick they are to turn it on and pointed right as it came on and I probably rolled my eyes and we laughed. The FA made it a point to come by and educate me that the sign is on for our safety. The continued their service. It didn't get turned off for quite some time. On another recent flight back from Hawaii I think it was on the entire time with the exception of about 20 minutes where the pilot said they found some "smooth air". Funny, I didn't think what we were in wasn't smooth. Then we hit another slight bump and it goes back on. I couldn't wait any longer and got up. It wasn't that bumpy, but it wasn't smooth as glass either. The FA didn't say a word. TLDR, if the planes a rockin', I don't go a knockin', but if I can walk to the lav without steadying myself, it's fair game regardless of what the sign says. I will also add that on another shorter flight the FA's were not the most cordial and I don't think they wanted to even bother with service. Shortly after takeoff the pilot informed us that because it was bumpy they wouldn't do a beverage or snack service. It was smooth as glass. The FA's remained seated the entire time. I think they just didn't wanna do a service.

0
‼ 0
DKB Guest

And then there's Ryanair, where they turn it on so the pilot can use the toilet!

0
‼ 0
frrp Diamond

US airlines seems more relaxed about moving around when the lights on, uk carriers hate ppl moving around at the best of times. Theyre all far more relaxed about it in F/J than Y tho.

0
‼ 0

Save posts to read later

Saving posts is a member feature. Become an OMAAT member to build a reading list you can come back to from any device.

Become a member
Meet Ben Schlappig, OMAAT Founder
5,883,136 Miles Traveled

43,914,800 Words Written

47,187 Posts Published