Sad: Cathay Pacific Closes All Foreign Pilot Bases

While this has been in the works for quite some time, it’s the end of an era at Cathay Pacific. As noted by Danny Lee at Bloomberg, the airline no longer has any foreign pilot bases. Not only do I feel bad for all the pilots and their families who have been impacted by this decision, but I can’t help but feel sad about this, as it kind of symbolically reflects how Hong Kong isn’t quite the global city it once was.

Cathay Pacific no longer has foreign-based pilots

One of the things that historically made Cathay Pacific unique was how many foreign crew bases the Hong Kong-based airline had, both for flight attendants and pilots. If you were flying from many gateways in the United States, it wasn’t unusual to have the entire crew (cockpit and cabin) be based in the United States.

Unfortunately we’ve seen Cathay Pacific more or less take an axe to its foreign crew bases. Discussions of this already happened pre-pandemic, when Hong Kong was facing protests that greatly decreased travel to the airport.

However, the pandemic more or less brought Cathay Pacific to a standstill, given the strict border restrictions that Hong Kong maintained for so long. One-by-one, Cathay Pacific has closed its foreign pilot bases, and that project is now complete.

As of November 1, 2022, Cathay Pacific no longer has any foreign-based pilots. Most recently, Cathay Pacific shut down its pilot bases in Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco, which were the last international bases remaining.

In the past couple of years we’ve also seen pilot bases closed in Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom. This all follows Cathay Pacific closing all of its US flight attendant bases right at the start of the pandemic.

Cathay Pacific has closed all foreign pilot bases

This is sad for pilots & their families

Obviously Cathay Pacific has been in an incredibly tough spot in recent years, and that even dates back to before the pandemic. I can’t fault the airline for looking to cut costs.

In theory pilots are being given the opportunity to transfer to Hong Kong, though that isn’t exactly an easy decision. Most pilots have families, so there’s a lot that goes into making a move like that.

That’s especially true when you consider the uncertainty with this, as it’s anyone’s guess what Hong Kong will look like a decade from now.

I feel bad for the pilots in this situation, especially given the general challenges with moving around in the airline industry. At most airlines, pilots are paid primarily based on seniority, so it’s not like a Cathay Pacific 777 captain of 20+ years can get a comparable job at American Airlines — rather they’d start at the bottom of the seniority list.

Cathay Pacific had over 100 pilots based in the United States, and apparently 60+ of them have left the company. That’s sad.

It’s my understanding that this was all a cost cutting initiative. I’m confused as to whether the overall compensation structure for US-based pilots was better, or if it’s just more efficient in terms of staffing to have one central pilot base. I have to imagine it’s primarily the latter, as Hong Kong-based pilots have historically received huge housing allowances, along with other perks.

Pilots have been given the opportunity to relocate to Hong Kong

I’ve always loved Cathay Pacific’s foreign bases

When I was a kid it was my dream to become an airline pilot. When I thought of the airline I most wanted to work for, Cathay Pacific was always number one on my list. Why?

  • Unlike most other foreign airlines, Cathay Pacific had crew bases in the US, so you could be based in the US while working for the airline
  • Cathay Pacific hired 777 second officers (essentially relief pilots on long haul flights) with similar experience requirements to a first officer position at a regional airline in the United States
  • It’s a pretty cushy job to fly almost exclusively between the United States and Hong Kong, as you basically work three or so roundtrips per month and then max out your hours
  • At the time Cathay Pacific was promoting people from second officer all the way to captain in less than 10 years, while being a wide body captain at a US airline typically takes 20+ years of seniority

While I never ended up becoming a professional pilot, I still have great respect for airline pilots, and in particular am fascinated by Cathay Pacific pilots. Historically, every time I board a Cathay Pacific flight I intently listen to the announcement from the pilot, and love how international the cockpit crews are.

Of course just because a pilot had an American or Canadian accent didn’t mean they were based in the United States or Canada, as Cathay Pacific also has lots of Hong Kong-based expat pilot.

I’m sad that on future Cathay Pacific flights, there will no longer be the guessing game of whether the pilots are based in Hong Kong or not. Of course more than anything, I’m just sad that so many of these great pilots either left the airline, or had to move their lives halfway around the world.

I’ve always loved how international Cathay Pacific pilots are

Bottom line

Cathay Pacific has completed the process of closing all of its foreign pilot bases. Most recently, the company’s three bases in the United States closed as of the end of October 2022. While pilots have the option of relocating to Hong Kong, that’s not an easy decision to make, and that’s also why most pilots didn’t take up that opportunity.

Best of luck to all the great Cathay Pacific pilots who got us safely across the Pacific over the years, and are now pursuing different opportunities.

What do you make of Cathay Pacific closing its foreign pilot bases?

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Doug S Guest

Looks like Cathey made all the right decisions. Writer should have reviewed the flight rules and regs before he wrote article. All rules are on the internet. Again, kudos to Cathey for right decisions. Where they domicile their crews is not appropriate.

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Ed Guest

Are we really feeling sorry for Pilots, that are massively overpaid and rich losing a few dollars here and there? A Captain easily earns over USD 350k+ a year, a bus driver hardly USD 40k a year... Both operate public transport... Don't get me wrong- the 2 shouldn't be paid the same as Pilots definitely require a higher skillset, but 9x difference??? Even a flight attendant would likely get their pay capped at USD 60k a year after outbound allowances... So not much sympathy coming from my end

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Vl'ado Orlandich Guest

It's a pity...

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Rich Guest

Cathy guys make a shit ton more than any AA guy I have ever met. 60 left..likey closing in on 65 anyway, and that swire group trust WILL LOOK AFTER THEM.. It sign of the times. As mentioned, lots of jobs for experienced, and not so experienced. But no way they will see dough like they were used to... foSure!! Like all Groups however,. There will be those that Bitch and moan, those that jump out, and those that retask and reminisce about the pay they used to make.... Good Luck and Talley Ho Cathay Pilots: true stars and leaders in their Field that some carriers will never achieve..EVER!!

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iamhere Guest

As someone mentioned about the unions, but also consider the airline. As you said they are a HK based airline so I doubt the demand for long haul to/from HK is very high now. Further if you are connecting there to other points in Asia the pricing would have to be very competitive to make it worthwhile. Surely those crew members will not have a hard time finding work since many airlines are in desperate need of those positions

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