Should I Have Reported This Passenger To Immigration?

I’m curious what you guys make of this situation. Yesterday I flew Turkish Airlines from Istanbul to New York. More on the flight as such in another post, but something strange happened upon landing.

I’m not sure where this falls on the scale of “if you see something, say something” to “snitches get stitches/mind your own business.”

Let me say that in general my default mentality is to give people the benefit of the doubt on things, unless I feel really confident about something. Maybe that’s wrong, but part of the reason I feel this way is because so many people have used prejudices (racial, religious, etc.) to accuse people of things they didn’t do.

For example, we’ve seen a countless number of stories of people reporting passengers to airport police for nothing more than speaking their native language.

Anyway, after landing in New York the seatbelt sign was turned off. I was in the last row of business class, and was standing in the galley by the second set of doors near one of the flight attendants waiting for the main cabin door to open. The flight attendant closed the curtain to economy.

At that point a guy walked through the curtains from economy with a big duffel bag in hand, manually unlocked the bathroom door, and darted in. That’s to say that the bathroom door was locked, but he knew how to unlock it (this involves lifting the latch), and it’s something that only crew members are supposed to do.

The flight attendant quickly responded. “Sir, you can’t do that.” The flight attendant even pushed the door open a little bit to prevent him from doing this, but the guy just responded by holding it closed.

At this point the flight attendant called the captain, though there was no answer — I’m guessing the pilots were ready to get out of the plane and didn’t hear it ringing.

Now here’s the thing — it’s one thing if the guy said “sorry, I really have to go to the bathroom” or was feeling unwell or whatever. That happens, and is totally legitimate. But he refused to follow crew instructions, manually opened a bathroom door that he wasn’t supposed to, and was acting quite suspiciously.

It took probably about five minutes for the cabin door to open, and in that time there were no sounds (including flushing) or obvious smells coming from the bathroom.

At that point I walked off the plane (with the guy still in the bathroom), and spent my walk to immigration thinking about whether I should report what I considered to be a suspicious situation:

  • The behavior was suspicious, though suspicious doesn’t necessarily mean nefarious (I’m often accused of being suspicious for my picture taking, so…!)
  • Maybe I’ve seen too many episodes of “Locked Up Abroad,” but the behavior he exhibited matched what I’d expect from someone who has something to hide
  • If this were a US airline I wouldn’t have said anything because I’d be certain the crew would report him, call the police, etc., but I didn’t think this crew was going to report this, even though the flight attendant found this concerning; that’s just a guess, but after a long flight and being in a foreign country I’m guessing they just wanted to get to their hotel and didn’t want to complicate things, because if they reported it they might have to be interviewed, complete paperwork, etc.

So in the end I didn’t say anything. I shared the story with Ford, and he said he would have said something.

To be clear, if I had said something, I would have just explained the behavior that I saw and would have described the guy. I wouldn’t suggest anything beyond that.

Would you have said something to an immigration officer in this situation?

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Raymond Faraj Guest

Why not say something? Why not? It's easy to virtue signal behind a keyboard, but what if? You saw what you saw. You knew it was wrong. You're going to put the next group of passengers at risk in the name of social justice? That's "progressive?" Really? Think, would you trade death for the benefit of someone's feelings? Not me... If that's "racist," than picket my house, please. BTW, Adam Salah wasn't reported for merely speaking Arabic. Go back and read the media's corrections later that week. He's a YouTube prankster and provocateur. He was reported for what he was saying in Arabic, and rightfully so. It was a prank gone wrong. So wrong that even when he tried to play the victim, he later admitted that was part of the prank. Don't take my word for it, do your own research.

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Edward Ardery Guest

This has nothing to do with immigration just suspicious activity by the bathroom. The airline staff were aware of what happened and they would be tasked with reporting this if it rose to a level of suspicious activity. However, laymen usually get things wrong especially if they are Fox News devotees. There are many examples of flights being delayed because of bone headed claims that Arabs were talking in Arabic and were possible terrorists. I trust the opinions of professional not nosy busybodies who see danger behind every foreigner.

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Johnthompson Guest

I would mind my own business. You don’t know the situation and I wouldn’t want it on my conscience for the consequences brought on by interfering in something that is absolutely none of my business. I wouldn’t want someone doing the same to me if I was in a foreign country. As a person who is concerned about the problems brought on by illegal immigration that means I support a physical barrier (wall) and deportation of all illegals. That doesn’t mean I believe tourists or citizens should be harassed and abused by overzealous CBP officers at airports. Just like the TSA I have no confidence in the morality or sensibility of CBP officers who follow unconstitutional and abusive guidelines.

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nigeltbd New Member

I would never consider political correctness when there are security issues and, as it happens, Ben has shown the prejudices of some people on here to be unfounded. For me the question would be if I had confidence in the crew to handle it - there are questions over tgat here so I would have reported it. Not paranoia- unfortunately the environment we live in calls for us to be alert and not shrug it off and pass the buck. Whilst this is sad it is reality, and we know that airports are higher risk areas. And yes it could also have been to hide substances forbidden, incorrectly claiming asylum etc. As a responsible citizen passing the buck is simply not good enough. I'm with Ford!

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Pierre Diamond

Some 10 years ago, I reported in writing to DHS that during almost the whole flight between Casablanca and New York on RAM (a 767 at the time), the cockpit door remained open, with Business Class passengers literally walking in (to peek, which is completely natural if given the opportunity) on their way to and from the washrooms. At the time, that flight was a codeshare with Delta. Quite a bossy and , shall we say "mature" woman, the purser was originally from Swiss (I found that during our conversation) and she was the first to whom I remarked the fact. She merely shrugged and told me that "It's always like that, it's their culture", which I found appalling. On the way out, I directly addressed the First Officer who was standing in the galley, only to be replied "What are you talking about? That door is never left open". I have no idea whether there was a follow-up on my letter but I have been avoiding RAM ever since.

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