On Monday, we saw a Delta Connection CRJ-900 have a horrific accident in Toronto, whereby the plane lost a wing on landing, and ended up coming to a stop upside down. Amazingly, everyone onboard survived, and the last people have even been released from the hospital. What a miraculous outcome, given the state of the aircraft.
There has been endless speculation online about the pilots involved in the accident, and it hasn’t been without motive. Well, Delta has now set the record straight on some important points.
In this post:
Delta provides details about pilots involved in crash
Delta has issued the following statement regarding the pilots involved in Monday’s crash:
Endeavor Air and Delta are correcting disinformation in social media containing false and misleading assertions about the flight crew of Endeavor Air 4819.
- Captain: Mesaba Airlines, a progenitor company of Endeavor Air, hired the captain in October 2007. He has served both as an active duty Captain and in pilot training and flight safety capacities. Assertions that he failed training events are false. Assertions that he failed to flow into a pilot position at Delta Air Lines due to training failures are also false.
- First Officer: Hired in January 2024 by Endeavor Air and completed training in April. She has been flying for Endeavor Air since that time. As with any airline pilot, her flight experience mandated minimum requirements set by U.S. Federal regulations. Assertions that she failed training events are false.
Both crew members are qualified and FAA certified for their positions.
As you can see, the captain was pretty experienced, while the first officer was still fairly new. Keep in mind that we have the 1,500-hour rule in the United States for pilots, so even if someone is new to an airline, it doesn’t mean they’re new to flying.
For those who haven’t seen the misinformation, there have been all kinds of claims about the two pilots on social media. I won’t even repeat them or get into them, though I think the claims are somewhat obvious, based on what Delta is explaining is false.
Let investigators do their jobs, then draw conclusions
Honestly, it’s incredibly disheartening to see the way some people are acting toward the pilots following the crash. This really shouldn’t be that complicated — as of now, we know very little about the factors that contributed to the crash.
One of the reasons that aviation is so safe is because we have dedicated accident investigators who take their time learning as much about accidents as possible, and not rushing to conclusions. They then publish their reports, with the hope of improving aviation safety in the future. Their hard work has contributed to aviation being as safe as it is.
Unfortunately in this case, it seems that some people don’t want to let the process play out. Why? Well, I have to imagine it was because the first officer was a female, and there are a lot of people desperate to blame this accident on DEI.
This isn’t that complicated — let’s not speculate, let’s let investigators do their jobs, and then we can come to conclusions once all the facts are known.
What’s so disturbing is how information spreads on social media nowadays. People will make claims online, pass them off as fact (even when they’re false), and then they spread like wildfire, because they fit the narrative that some people want.
Then you have some media outlets that probably don’t have bad intentions, but also can’t say no to the clicks and traffic, so they jump on the bandwagon as well, with little skepticism into what’s being reported. Like, one of the people who has been most vocal about spreading details here is a former Delta pilot who was fired a while back, and has had an axe to grind with the airline ever since. You’d think you’d be a little critical about information that person is sharing, no?
Let me say this to all the folks with DEI pitchforks. If the investigation reveals that the crash was due to pilot error, and that the pilot only got her job or passed tests due to some “DEI metric,” I’ll be there right with you in saying that’s a problem. But as of now, we have no reason to believe that.
For that matter, if this does turn out to be pilot error, and if it turns out the female was flying, it’s also possible that it was simply a function of lack of experience, rather than DEI. Let me remind everyone that we’ve seen a lot of aviation disasters in the United States over the course of history, and a vast majority of accidents attributed to pilot error have involved white men.
Bottom line
Delta has corrected some misinformation that we’ve seen on social media, regarding the pilots involved in the recent Delta Connection CRJ-900 crash, operated by wholly owned subsidiary Endeavor Air. Some people were claiming that the pilots had failed all kinds of tests, and that the captain was even rejected in being promoted to Delta mainline, but the airline has clarified that this isn’t the case.
Folks, can we please just let investigators do their jobs, and then draw conclusions? Is waiting for all the details just that hard?
Your cow-towing to the anti-DEI proto-fascists is disappointing to say the least. If you think you and your family are not in their targets is naïve.
You're spending way too many words legitimizing the people who are opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion. They don't come from a place of legitimate discourse - they seek power through supremacy and oppression.
The female pilot was flying with a restricted license. She was only 6 weeks out from being a pilot. She landed the plane. This article is VERY deceptive but seems that’s the going theme with American news outlets these days. It’s not hard to find the proof of her restricted licensure and that she was NOT qualified to land that plane.
sorry... but you clearly do not understand about which you write.
Pilots with an R-ATP ARE qualified and trained to land a plane and they have been pilots for years before starting w/ their private, instrument, commercial etc.
We STILL do not know who was flying the plane.
and there have been plenty of accidents in the past that ended up being identified as pilot error that involved senior male pilots.
Those of you who are dumping on the CA for sticking with a regional clearly don't understand how any of this works. He got hired right before the financial crash, which means he probably got furloughed at Mesaba not long after IOE. After he came back, he probably got some decent senority pretty quickly, which would have carried over to EDV when Mesaba folded. Mainlines didn't start picking up their hiring in earnest until he...
Those of you who are dumping on the CA for sticking with a regional clearly don't understand how any of this works. He got hired right before the financial crash, which means he probably got furloughed at Mesaba not long after IOE. After he came back, he probably got some decent senority pretty quickly, which would have carried over to EDV when Mesaba folded. Mainlines didn't start picking up their hiring in earnest until he would have had about 10 years in, and by that point, he'd have a pretty good choice of his schedule. Not every pilot is chasing the left seat on an A350. Going from a long time CA at a regional to an FO at mainline means taking a pay cut (at least for a while) and going straight to the bottom of the list, which usually means flying reserve and then taking lousy schedules for several years. There are plenty of experienced and highly capable regional pilots flying around every day because of this, so taking a dump on the guy for choosing quality of life over big jets is pretty lame.
Likewise, dumping on the FO for being new is weak. Some of the most skilled pilots, controllers, and mechanics I know are female, and it's often because they have to overcome the misogynistic douchebags standing in their way to get to where they are. You can't gain experience if you aren't flying the jet, and when she likely has upwards of 2,000 hours total time, I think she can handle her own.
Now, how about we wait for the actual investigation before we start pointing fingers? Fact is, most of you have never even worked in the industry and have no idea what you're talking about anyway, so if your first instinct is to jump on the DEI bandwagon without having any actual facts, then you should probably just sit this one out.
Why are they hiding the pilot info? Simple question that has nothing to do with the investigation.
The info on the DCA helicopter crash was out immediately on the two white guys but the other pilot’s info was not until all social media regarding her and her family was scrubbed. And then very little has come out.
Again…why?
because it IS NOT industry standard practice to release information on the pilots as part of the initial phases of the crash investigation.
Further, as Ben noted, DL released the information it did to correct clearly FALSE statements that were being made.
If there was a prompt release of the facts, there wouldn’t be conspiracy theories filling the void.
Prompt as in 97 seconds afterwards? That’s about how long it takes the trolls and conspiracy loons to comment. Authorities have no chance to keep up with social media.
Everyone has to learn sometime and hours-at-the-controls are everything, however the Captain giving full control to a relative newbie to land in that weather was a big risk.
I am pretty sure we even know who was flying the plane on landing.
and, if the FO was flying, the question has to be asked why the CA did not retake the jet during the descent given there are people who say - again not confirmed by investigators - that the flight was descending at a higher rate of speed than normal.
We also do not know if there was wind shear...
I am pretty sure we even know who was flying the plane on landing.
and, if the FO was flying, the question has to be asked why the CA did not retake the jet during the descent given there are people who say - again not confirmed by investigators - that the flight was descending at a higher rate of speed than normal.
We also do not know if there was wind shear or any mechanical problems - all of which are factors that have to be considered.
as to the comment below - if she was just upgraded from a restricted air transport pilot, it means she/he went to an FAA university pilot program. She flew for a year for Endeavor which means she had to have been hired at just over 1000 hours since you still have to 1000 hours to fly in airline operations which includes regional jets.
again, this is all speculation until confirmed but it could say that US airlines need some time to get experience levels back to where they were pre-covid.
And I have friends who are Canadians that are flying types of air transportation with fewer hours than are allowed for Americans to do the same thing.
The investigators will release their findings in time. Until then, making definitive statements one way or the other is irresponsible.
... I am pretty sure we DON"T even know who was flying the plane on landing
So then how is the "relative newbie" supposed to gain experience to no longer be a "relative newbie". She is certified to fly the aircraft just like he is, so it's irrelevant who was flying. If you don't have confidence in your crew, then you shouldn't be operating.
This info on the crew was known within an hour of the incident on the ground. We should also see at some point the First officer at the controls had a Restricted Airline Transport Pilot certificate granted in just January of 2025 so she was super new as she flew what appears to be a perfectly fine aircraft right into the ground. Also note that the Captain is ultimately responsible for the aircraft so they...
This info on the crew was known within an hour of the incident on the ground. We should also see at some point the First officer at the controls had a Restricted Airline Transport Pilot certificate granted in just January of 2025 so she was super new as she flew what appears to be a perfectly fine aircraft right into the ground. Also note that the Captain is ultimately responsible for the aircraft so they are trying to figure out the legal responsibility right now with a CA flying with an RATP. Important to note that the 1500 hour flight time is surely almost exclusively single engine propeller time and does not include a ton of multi engine turbine time so don't think she has 1500 on this aircraft experience.
Also the comment of "white men cause most aviation accidents" is correct but 94% of pilots at Endeavor are men. THat mean statistically that we should see only 1 out of 20 Endeavor airline crashes with a woman at the controls. Have we seen 19 other Endeavor crashes? It is a statistical anomaly if everything is equal. Lot's of investigation left to do folks so don't jump to anything yet.
Greatest lie ever told when he did in fact fail training at delta and had to go back. You really think he missed the regional jet life so much and said no I want to go back to it and skip all that mainline money and flying.
Captain: Mesaba Airlines, a progenitor company of Endeavor Air, hired the captain in October 2007. He has served both as an active duty Captain and in pilot...
Greatest lie ever told when he did in fact fail training at delta and had to go back. You really think he missed the regional jet life so much and said no I want to go back to it and skip all that mainline money and flying.
Captain: Mesaba Airlines, a progenitor company of Endeavor Air, hired the captain in October 2007. He has served both as an active duty Captain and in pilot training and flight safety capacities. Assertions that he failed training events are false. Assertions that he failed to flow into a pilot position at Delta Air Lines due to training failures are also false.
Delta revealed the following concerning the email first officer: she was able to start work prior to completing her 1500 hours under a Restricted Air Transport Pilot certificate. She crossed the 1500 hour mark and certified in January 2023. If it turns out she was in control and it was pilot error, I suspect these loopholes will be closed and the minimum training requirements will be stiffened. Not a bad thing.
Can you provide the source document where you got this information?
At the outset, you essentially assert that lack of experience isn’t a factor due to the 1500 hour rule. Then you wrap up saying that if the woman was flying, then lack of experience could be a factor.
Which one is it?
If you know a little about how crew scheduling works the questions you would ask are...
Was this specifically a training flight?
(The presence of an experienced training Captain would appear to indicate that it was)
How many block hours did she have in the aircraft?
(If she were under 100 hours she would be considered "green").
If this was a training flight then why is she still under training after a year...
If you know a little about how crew scheduling works the questions you would ask are...
Was this specifically a training flight?
(The presence of an experienced training Captain would appear to indicate that it was)
How many block hours did she have in the aircraft?
(If she were under 100 hours she would be considered "green").
If this was a training flight then why is she still under training after a year with the company?
(Airlines will make sure that new hires get their 100 hours as quickly as possible.)
Bigots gonna bigot. Best thing you can do is take note of who complains about DEI and be sure not to hire them/write them out of your personal life in whatever capacity - and move on, happier for it!
I don't care what gender or race, the pilot is when I fly, I just want the most qualified.
It's a shame companies put their passengers at risk playing social justice warrior games. There's litigation waiting in the wings for companies who play this game and lose.
What's wrong here is that you seem to be assuming any woman (and you'd probably say the same about a racial minority) is intrinsically less qualified then any white man.
Airlines ONLY HIRE QUALIFIED PILOTS! Sure, if there's a choice between a black woman and an equally competent white man, they may choose the black women as she has historically faced a much harder time getting to that position, but if she's actively less qualified, THEY WON"T HIRE HER
There have been female pilots since the 1970’s so I think it’s horrible to blame the female pilot as a DEI hire right off the bat. People can be so mean.
As a retired 33,000 hour Delta pilot in numerous types, former accident investigator for USAF and Delta ALPA go-team, don’t be a Monday morning quarterback. That’s what the media does, eye-witnesses testify the plane was on fire and plummeted into the ground. Seldom reliable, video and metallurgy are.
I’ve formed an opinion on the cause, but wouldn’t share it without all the elements and facts.
It was certainly a challenging landing situation.
...
As a retired 33,000 hour Delta pilot in numerous types, former accident investigator for USAF and Delta ALPA go-team, don’t be a Monday morning quarterback. That’s what the media does, eye-witnesses testify the plane was on fire and plummeted into the ground. Seldom reliable, video and metallurgy are.
I’ve formed an opinion on the cause, but wouldn’t share it without all the elements and facts.
It was certainly a challenging landing situation.
Mistakes DO happen, we’re human. The investigation is to find the root cause and a prevention strategy.
I agree with you, but do find it odd that the PIC has not at this point been identified. If it was the relatively new FO, then these were very difficult conditions to be attempting a landing. If that is the case I believe some blame will be placed on the Captain as well for not taking control of the aircraft. Like you we can only know what we see on the videos - but sure looks like that aircraft didn’t flare upon landing. Certainly looked like a hard touch down.
In the world of Military aviation, every landing which one walks away from is a good landing.
This isn’t military aviation, though. These are passengers that paid for a ride; they didn’t sign up for dangerous duty
Definitely a DEI hire and lacking in experience. She had no business landing that aircraft in those conditions. The Captain failed her, as well as Endeavor. This lady’s lack of experience will be a causal factor in the crash. (She didn’t even flare, for goodness sake.)
If this idiocy continues, the 1500 hour rule will be increased to 3000 hours.
A rant from a republican dotard supporting a totalitarian regime.
Why worry about Russia when it is mostly the US spreading fake news.
You’re the misinformed. Oh and also an idiot racist.
You should probably try commenting less.
How dare you! didn't you know that pointing an absolutely factual thing that everyone with a tiny knowledge on the area could see (plane didn't even flare for landing) automatically makes you a racist and a totalitarian!
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because straight white males have been the pilot in command in most air disasters over the course of human flight does not mean we should ban straight white males from pilot certification. Such attribution would unfair.
It was predictable that questions would be raised about the pilots, their experience, and which was in charge. In the old days, the three local TV stations and two local newspapers could control the length of time the public would have to wait for the answers. Delta is like any other airline now, unable to get out in front of alternative media. "We aren't going to inform, we are just going to deny when the...
It was predictable that questions would be raised about the pilots, their experience, and which was in charge. In the old days, the three local TV stations and two local newspapers could control the length of time the public would have to wait for the answers. Delta is like any other airline now, unable to get out in front of alternative media. "We aren't going to inform, we are just going to deny when the theory has traveled several times around the world." That no longer works.
Excellent article. Thank you for publishing such a professional informative piece. I wish some of these “professional” pilots that have posted such nonsense could learn from you. Well done!
Someone pleaded with people not to speculate about this incident and let the investigators 'do their job'.
So why did someone post about this incident in the first place?? The disconnect is real. It's like deliberately placing a juicy t-bone steak onto the floor right in front of your dog and acting (key word: acting) shocked and horrified that your dog...eats it(!)
Posting about a newsworthy aviation incident that people are talking about is different than driving rampant speculation and wild theories about the CAUSE of the accident.
Major airline accidents have always been news stories. The way some media outlets, but especially social media, now treat them is what drives the bad faith speculation and need to comment.
I assume all the idiots blaming DEI for everything also historically blamed the merit-free hiring of white males for every air crash in the first 75 years of flight? Probably should exclude straight white males from everything in life, based on the way these people think!
DEI is a disgustingly discriminatory policy. All the DEI supporters are doing is replacing old discriminatory policies with another. This is just a power play from those interested parties and virtue signalling from others which is sadly never going to benefit our society.
Ben wrote: ‘ Then you have some media outlets that probably don’t have bad intentions, but also can’t say no to the clicks and traffic, so they jump on the bandwagon as well, with little skepticism into what’s being reported.’
I truly disagree. They do have bad intentions. Without any merit or the whole truth, they rush to publish inaccurate information in the desire to drive up their Internet traffic which can push up revenue....
Ben wrote: ‘ Then you have some media outlets that probably don’t have bad intentions, but also can’t say no to the clicks and traffic, so they jump on the bandwagon as well, with little skepticism into what’s being reported.’
I truly disagree. They do have bad intentions. Without any merit or the whole truth, they rush to publish inaccurate information in the desire to drive up their Internet traffic which can push up revenue. That, in itself, is bad intention because they add fuel to the wildfire of misinformation.
@ Stanley C -- Well, I mean, I'm trying to give benefit of the doubt here...
@Ben I completely get your point. But not everyone is as kind-hearted as you are. You always do your best to publish accurate and fair reporting as best as you can. I am sure you know that there are others who do not share the same level of professionalism as you have :)
This is why I make sure I read OMAAT daily if possible while just occasionally with other travel blogs. Thank you for...
@Ben I completely get your point. But not everyone is as kind-hearted as you are. You always do your best to publish accurate and fair reporting as best as you can. I am sure you know that there are others who do not share the same level of professionalism as you have :)
This is why I make sure I read OMAAT daily if possible while just occasionally with other travel blogs. Thank you for your reply. You are the best travel guru out there despite what DCS may inaccurately think.
Speaking of social media, Ben may I suggest you disable Facebook comments? The tenor of convo was already worse than here on the site, and now this linked post is full of fake spam/scam news links which I doubt you’d want to spend time moderating.
Free Diddy.
“Every time Trump guts a federal agency, a plane loses its wings.”
The information in Delta's statement that stood out was the pairing of an experienced Captain with a background in training and flight safety, with a relatively new First Officer. If policy, that statement is comforting, for books and simulators, while excellent training tools, cannot replace the wisdom learned through experience of the Captain sitting next to them.
Very good point. Every single airline pilot there is was new at some point - if we don't allow those with less (albeit 1500+ hours is still a lot!) experience fly now, in 10-15 years all pilots would end up being significantly less experienced.
Just to clarify what DEI is in this debate. Especially as it gets lumped together or confused with 'affirmative action' and 'diversity hires'. DEI is where:
'Businesses and government departments use DEI as a label to refer to policies and measures that ensure people of all backgrounds gain equal access and thrive in their workplace.
'Such initiatives are aimed at addressing longstanding structural racism and sexism by promoting opportunities within organisations for people with diverse...
Just to clarify what DEI is in this debate. Especially as it gets lumped together or confused with 'affirmative action' and 'diversity hires'. DEI is where:
'Businesses and government departments use DEI as a label to refer to policies and measures that ensure people of all backgrounds gain equal access and thrive in their workplace.
'Such initiatives are aimed at addressing longstanding structural racism and sexism by promoting opportunities within organisations for people with diverse identities.' [ABC (Australia) News online]
So, remember, this is about 'equal access' not special treatment.
If plane crashes and burns and everyone dies = DEI caused it
If plans crashes and everyone survives = DEI caused it
If plane doesn’t crash and everyone survives = DEI will cause it just not this time
Two things can be true - social media is a great tool for (some) information and keeping in touch with people. Social media is also a cancer on society. I do believe the cons far outweigh the pros, even without getting into any mental health consequences and other side effects.
@pstm91 -- Interesting take. The next evolution of social media may involve the impact of AI. The ability of AI to "create" may at first cause misinformation, but in the end, give birth to a mistrust of the information found on social media. This may be a positive, the beginning of humanity gathering facts from multiple sources and thinking independently!!
Yeah ... I just read what I wrote...never mind.
Unfortunately, I don't share your trust in people's judgment, just look at the amount of reactions and comments on "boomer traps" on facebook. And it's not going to get better soon as social media companies are intent on doubling down on AI with Meta even announcing the creation of AI profiles that would interact with users. Another example is the amount of "AI influencers" and models with a market already worth $4.6 bn currently and...
Unfortunately, I don't share your trust in people's judgment, just look at the amount of reactions and comments on "boomer traps" on facebook. And it's not going to get better soon as social media companies are intent on doubling down on AI with Meta even announcing the creation of AI profiles that would interact with users. Another example is the amount of "AI influencers" and models with a market already worth $4.6 bn currently and slated to grow to $38 bn by 2030.
P.S: "boomer traps" being AI picture posts made to get reactions from generally older people with captions that usually goes along the lines of: 'I turned 120 . I baked myself a cake with every detail made with love, but it seems like no one cares. ' which would in turn elicit numerous comments.
Mamad, I don't know how the "generally older people" in your life spend their time, but most of us don't spend our days staring at, and playing with, our cell phones.
Give it a rest. The same things were said about video games, TV, and everything else under the sun in the decades prior. Same nonsense, different date.
thank you, Ben.
Well done.
So we are finally realizing now who the "woke" ones were all along. It would be comical if not sad in that these lunatics are tearing our society apart.
Note: The opposite of woke is asleep. The state of being asleep does not require any actual thinking.
It's been confirmed she was the one piloting the plane at the time of the crash. And yes, there's metrics to prove that she was 100 a dei hire.
@ Sen -- Could you please provide the proof that she was a DEI hire, and explain what exactly that means?
And they are? Or just you saying there are?
Sen means "someone on Reddit said".
Are you aware of all the gates and steps necessary to become an ATP pilot? If you are one, shame on ya. DPEs are not in the business of promoting pilots who don’t meet the bar. Check airmen don’t have a quota to meet. If anything, women have to be better than their male peers to ensure idiots like you are laughed at when they suggest that any minority isn’t as good as a straight...
Are you aware of all the gates and steps necessary to become an ATP pilot? If you are one, shame on ya. DPEs are not in the business of promoting pilots who don’t meet the bar. Check airmen don’t have a quota to meet. If anything, women have to be better than their male peers to ensure idiots like you are laughed at when they suggest that any minority isn’t as good as a straight white man. Airlines are in the business of safety. They wouldn’t pass anyone undeserving out onto the line just because… of DEI? Try on some logic.
@Sen - Can you point to a single verified source that knew who was piloting the aircraft? Anonymous online posters or random alternative media sources are not credible as literally anyone could make up any assertion and claim it is true.
If Presidents Trump & Musk can make statements without ever providing facts and data to support those statements, why is anyone expecting Sen to provide any for his statement?
@Sen
That is not how metrics work.
Some of your fellow Boarding Area cohorts have already been needlessly speculating. I think the thot leader just is upset he couldn't view the FO's social media before she took it down.
Thank you Ben for being the one with a fair, non-conspiratory approach as always.
Thot leader is also disappointed the spicy flight attendant wasn't working the flight. Would have given him a reason to post about her for the 900th time
Endeavor, with immature TikTok videos flaunting their “unmanned” flights with all female crews brought the scrutiny on themselves.
If DEI is factor of the crash, which I HIGHLY doubt, Delta/Endeavor will do everything they can to hide or spin that fact. While the lawsuits are going to be bad either way, a gender/race selected pilot could shoot those to the moon, especially dependent on jurisdiction.
“The videos show the plane descending at a very...
Endeavor, with immature TikTok videos flaunting their “unmanned” flights with all female crews brought the scrutiny on themselves.
If DEI is factor of the crash, which I HIGHLY doubt, Delta/Endeavor will do everything they can to hide or spin that fact. While the lawsuits are going to be bad either way, a gender/race selected pilot could shoot those to the moon, especially dependent on jurisdiction.
“The videos show the plane descending at a very fast pace, and seemingly not flaring much before landing”
@ Sel, D. -- "If DEI is factor of the crash, which I HIGHLY doubt, Delta/Endeavor will do everything they can to hide or spin that fact."
Delta and Endeavor Air aren't the investigators, and don't publish the accident report.
@ Sel, D. -- BTW, you mentioned the TikTok thing on another post and asked my take on it. I shared my thoughts, and asked you some questions, but you didn't respond. So since you bring this up again, let me ask, because I'm genuinely curious:
"I'm curious, where do you draw the line as to what you consider to be DEI nonsense in terms of what airlines promote and market? When an airline has...
@ Sel, D. -- BTW, you mentioned the TikTok thing on another post and asked my take on it. I shared my thoughts, and asked you some questions, but you didn't respond. So since you bring this up again, let me ask, because I'm genuinely curious:
"I'm curious, where do you draw the line as to what you consider to be DEI nonsense in terms of what airlines promote and market? When an airline has a story about an all-male crew (as Finnair recently did), do you think that's wrong? What about a story about a father and son pilot duo working a flight together? What about a story about a mother and daughter pilot duo working a flight together?"
"I don't read too much into those things, because I just think they're supposed to be cute stories that make people smile, and I have bigger things to worry about. Aren't we supposed to be against being snowflakes, or something?"
Thanks for asking. Good point on the accident report, and given the current administration I’m sure they’ll be almost looking for that, and it would be terrifying if they find anything substantiative. Can you imagine the future passenger reaction to female pilots if this is true? It will be like post 9-11 Islamophobia all over again, x100.
When an airline has a story about an all-male crew (as Finnair recently did), do you think...
Thanks for asking. Good point on the accident report, and given the current administration I’m sure they’ll be almost looking for that, and it would be terrifying if they find anything substantiative. Can you imagine the future passenger reaction to female pilots if this is true? It will be like post 9-11 Islamophobia all over again, x100.
When an airline has a story about an all-male crew (as Finnair recently did), do you think that's wrong? YES. This actually highlights the absurdity, DEI coming full circle.
What about a story about a father and son pilot duo working a flight together? Cool family story, as long as gender isn’t a focus as in “look at what men can do”. We know men can fly planes.
What about a story about a mother and daughter pilot duo working a flight together? Cool family story, as long as gender isn’t a focus as in “look at what women can do”. We know women can fly planes.
For nonsense in promoting/marketing, I would draw the line at gender or race being celebrated in anyway. For pilot selection, quals only. I suppose same as the Harvard ruling to end their racist admissions.
Generations of women, Sel, have had to fight to break through glass ceilings. Well worthy of celebration. As a white male I am so happy to see and experience flight crews who were once marginalized now excelling at their careers. Are you saying that we should not celebrate the idea of how we have advanced over the years? I think it's well worth it. It's a beautiful thing. If anything, the bravery of these fine...
Generations of women, Sel, have had to fight to break through glass ceilings. Well worthy of celebration. As a white male I am so happy to see and experience flight crews who were once marginalized now excelling at their careers. Are you saying that we should not celebrate the idea of how we have advanced over the years? I think it's well worth it. It's a beautiful thing. If anything, the bravery of these fine people is tested even more as they are scrutinized by savages who wait for them to make one mistake and to ruin their lives with no facts or any information. Or, worse yet, with complete lies.
Well shoot, those ladies are getting themselves all kinds of high falutin' jobs these days. Flying jet airplanes, doing police work, running their own businesses, performing surgery. Welcome to the 21st century.
@Pete
Black and Hispanic/Latino people as well.
The mindset of supposed professionals making those cringe Tik -Tok videos does not give confidence.
This is good information.
Sadly reactionaries online have already poisoned the well and spread so much disinformation to the public.