American & Condor Ink Interline Deal: A Small Step With Big Potential, Maybe?

American & Condor Ink Interline Deal: A Small Step With Big Potential, Maybe?

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American Airlines and Condor have just announced plans to launch a partnership. In reality, they’re just launching an interline agreement, which is the lowest level of cooperation airlines can have. However, one certainly wonders if there could eventually be more brewing here…

American & Condor announce a new “partnership”

German airline Condor is launching an interline agreement with American, which the two airlines are describing as a “partnership” in the press release. I mean, I suppose that’s technically true, in the sense that it is a form of partnering. However, keep in mind that American also interlines with Delta and United, and I’d hardly consider those airlines to be partners with one another. 😉

With this interline partnership, travelers will be able to book their entire journey across both airlines on a single ticket, including benefits like through checked baggage to the final destination, check-in for the complete itinerary, and seamless onward connections.

This partnership seems to primarily be about American providing connectivity to transatlantic Condor passengers, as it’s noted how American serves more than 150 cities from Condor’s transatlantic gateways in Boston (BOS), Los Angeles (LAX), and New York (JFK), and starting in May 2027, Chicago (ORD).

Here’s how David Carlisle, Condor’s VP of Network Planning & Partnerships, describes this:

“With American Airlines, we are welcoming a strong partner whose network perfectly complements our own and significantly enhances our connectivity across North America. This partnership strengthens our position in the transatlantic market while offering our guests even more travel options. Together, we are continuing to expand our international network and create attractive travel opportunities on both sides of the Atlantic.”

Meanwhile here’s how Jeff Ogar, American’s Managing Director of Alliances, describes this:

“American’s new agreement with Condor underscores our commitment to connect people with the places that matter most. Combining our extensive North American network with Condor’s presence in Germany and Europe creates a winning proposition for our mutual customers. We look forward to working together to deliver more travel options for our customers.”

Condor business class cabin aboard an A330-900neo aircraft
Condor has been added as an American interline partner

Condor would be a great fit for the oneworld alliance

It has been a fascinating several years for Condor, as the airline has gone from being heavily leisure focused in terms of its destination, to competing more head-on with Lufthansa (and that has come at a cost, including Lufthansa ending its preferential feeder agreement with Condor).

It’s clear that something eventually has to give with Condor, since you don’t see many global airlines in Europe that aren’t part of an alliance, and/or aren’t part of a major airline group. As I’ve covered before, it sure seems like Condor is ripe to join one of the major alliances, at a minimum, or even to be acquired by one of the “big three” European airline groups.

Obviously Condor wouldn’t join Star Alliance or Lufthansa Group, since that’s the airline they’re competing directly against, and regulators would be unlikely to approve a merger. It seems to me like the best fit would be oneworld and/or IAG (the parent company of British Airways, Iberia, Aer Lingus, etc.), given that:

  • Condor already has a partnership with Alaska, and now is partnering more closely with American (even if it’s just an interline)
  • IAG airlines are based in Ireland, the UK, and Spain, so there’s value in having an airline with a bit of geographic diversity

The thing is, it’s also tough to figure out what value Condor would add, exactly. Sure, it would give access to the German market, and if the airline could join one of the transatlantic joint ventures, it would have more pricing power (which would be bad for consumers in many ways).

But the airline is quirky in terms of its scale, as it has a good size long haul network, with a fairly limited (but growing) feeder network. Frankfurt (FRA) also isn’t a huge origin and destination market as such, and simply being a second place airline at a hub isn’t typically a recipe for success. The one stop service that Condor can offer is also available through many other airlines.

Anyway, I’d definitely love to see American and Condor at least expand their partnership to include loyalty reciprocity, in terms of earning and redeeming miles, and taking advantage of elite perks. But unless Condor joins the alliance or transatlantic joint venture, that doesn’t strike me as particularly likely, since it doesn’t really further American’s goals much.

Condor business class cabin aboard an A321 aircraft
Condor has the world’s coolest livery (don’t you dare disagree!)

Bottom line

American and Condor have announced a “partnership,” which is really just an interline agreement, allowing travelers to book itineraries that include flights on both airlines. There’s no official indication that things will go further than that, and that we will see loyalty reciprocity, or anything along those lines.

However, Condor is still struggling to find its place in the market, and we know the airline is interested in more partnerships, or even consolidation. The oneworld alliance and/or IAG would definitely be the best fit for Condor, but that’s not to say that anything will happen.

What do you make of this American and Condor “partnership?”



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  1. Abidjan Diamond

    Starlux, Condor - get it done, OW.

  2. STEFFL Diamond

    OneWorld is calling!
    ... looks like a good replacement for former German OW member airberlin.
    AA always had great redemption on that airline, Condor much smaller than airberlin, but try to expand their network fast. Great Business Class produkt, thankfully NO stupid need anymore to connect in LHR if crossing the Atlantic and great network to Caribbean destinations ex FRA as well.
    PERFECT to show STAR and especially Lufthansa Group, that their...

    OneWorld is calling!
    ... looks like a good replacement for former German OW member airberlin.
    AA always had great redemption on that airline, Condor much smaller than airberlin, but try to expand their network fast. Great Business Class produkt, thankfully NO stupid need anymore to connect in LHR if crossing the Atlantic and great network to Caribbean destinations ex FRA as well.
    PERFECT to show STAR and especially Lufthansa Group, that their dominance to North America is shrinking especially since Condor has a lot more partnerships there, compared to Lufthansa split between AC in Canada or UA in the US.
    While Lufthansa cut ties with JetBlue and lost Mexicana or cut back interlining with Copa, Condor seems to become a bigger competitor than Lufthansa ever hoped for. GREAT
    I'd say, Condor is next OW member

  3. elbee Member

    I wonder if the topic of those A330-900's was also discussed alongside an interline agreement and future courtship to plugging the OW Germany gap.

  4. goingsmwhr New Member

    Qantas recently added Condor as a redemption partner. They did the same with PAL and months late it was announced they were joining Oneworld. 😁

  5. Barbarella Guest

    Being based in FRA comes from the historical constraint for LH to feed Condor. Now that Condor have to feed their long hauls themselves, they would probably have a more competitive hub in CGN with no curfew, bigger population pool and enough proximity to mop a bit of clientele off BRU and AMS.
    The main question for Condor is what feeder network do they want in Europe, if any. How much they want to...

    Being based in FRA comes from the historical constraint for LH to feed Condor. Now that Condor have to feed their long hauls themselves, they would probably have a more competitive hub in CGN with no curfew, bigger population pool and enough proximity to mop a bit of clientele off BRU and AMS.
    The main question for Condor is what feeder network do they want in Europe, if any. How much they want to continue to be a leisure heavy airline. And how all that fits with the rest of one world partners.

  6. Jordan Diamond

    This is potentially much bigger.

    BA/AA can connect passengers over Germany, and gain a foothold in the German market.

    JV remember. AA obviously wants the same. This is a BA AA decision.

    BA always wanted a bigger piece of the German market. I'm sure very few of you have heard of Deutsche BA. Operated from the early 90s to late 2000s. A different aviation world.

    This is great news for AA / BA and...

    This is potentially much bigger.

    BA/AA can connect passengers over Germany, and gain a foothold in the German market.

    JV remember. AA obviously wants the same. This is a BA AA decision.

    BA always wanted a bigger piece of the German market. I'm sure very few of you have heard of Deutsche BA. Operated from the early 90s to late 2000s. A different aviation world.

    This is great news for AA / BA and especially Condor.

    TERRIBLE news for Lufthansa (so foolish). They should have kept that arrangement with Condor going - now they have pushed Condor towards BA through AA.

    LH is having the most horrid week. First EK final gets BER, and now this! Oh dear. Yes, an interline agreement....for now. This is a courtship!

    1. Throwawayname Guest

      If BA really prioritised the German/continental European market, they wouldn't have come up with the spend-based elite qualification system which directly penalises connecting passengers for using* tickets whose prices are discounted to compensate for the hassle they'll have to go through at LHR. The subsequent adjustments only go to show that their decisions had unintended consequences which would've been foreseeable by any airline paying any attention to connecting traffic (see e.g. Flying Blue often adding...

      If BA really prioritised the German/continental European market, they wouldn't have come up with the spend-based elite qualification system which directly penalises connecting passengers for using* tickets whose prices are discounted to compensate for the hassle they'll have to go through at LHR. The subsequent adjustments only go to show that their decisions had unintended consequences which would've been foreseeable by any airline paying any attention to connecting traffic (see e.g. Flying Blue often adding incremental benefits for Platinum members who get XPs for every segment and can qualify without the need to spend anywhere near the BA Gold threshold). IAG can't even sustain an Iberia Express route to Britain's second city and have just cut the EI base at MAN, there's absolutely no chance of them dedicating serious resources to an attempt to become a bigger player in Germany.

      *I've not written 'buying' as the purchasing decision may be made by a passenger's employer, customer, family member etc.

  7. MaxPower Diamond

    Slight quibble.

    I'm not sure Condor needs oneworld or IAG, per se, I think they need the AA/IAG/AY Joint venture

  8. Throwawayname Guest

    Condor very much remain a niche leisure carrier with very limited regional connectivity. Their business model and route network are more similar to TUI Airways who fly long-haul to places like PUJ than to the likes Croatia Airlines and TAROM which can sensibly participate in alliances without the need to operate long-haul flights.

  9. 2Tall New Member

    I can't wait for the AAdvantage redemptions on Condor. And then folks with AA miles can complain as much about phantom J availability on Condor as folks redeeming AS miles.

    1. 1990_ Diamond

      Would it 'help' if I complained about your complaint about those other 'folks' complaining?

  10. Sel_D Gold

    Hard disagree. Would hate to see them go further with AA or Oneworld and see all award availability dry up. AS is enough for anyone savvy.

    1. mickyb Platinum

      As a "savvy" flyer who isn't US-resident, how do you suggest I come by AS miles? The options I've seen are,

      a) 60k Marriott to 25k AS, and
      b) buying at 1.88c

      neither of which seems to be a slam-dunk.

  11. digital_notmad Diamond

    i had thought that i read somewhere that DL and AA's interline agreement was off again... can't really keep track

    1. ernestnywang Platinum

      That's right. AA has an interline agreement with UA but not with DL.

  12. 1990_ Diamond

    Oh, so, like Condor would pull an Aer Lingus (reciprocal frequent flier agreement, even though not EI is not oneworld, but is part of IAG... confusing)? Or, even less so (just interline). Yeah, both of those airlines should be oneworld. For Germany, this could be like reviving Air Berlin!

    *patiently awaiting someone's 'umm ackchuallee'*

  13. DBB Gold

    I’d love to see Condor pursue a BER or DUS hub strategy with better feeder throughout Europe. Compete directly against Lufthansa. That’d make them a huge oneworld get (which really needs a Central European partner). Of course, I’d also like a million dollars and that’s about as likely!

    1. 1990_ Diamond

      That's what I was thinking! Air Berlin, but with a candy-striped livery; repaint them all in red, and it's practically half-way there.

    2. ImmortalSynn Platinum

      Yields at BER are generally dogsh!t.

      There's a REASON that Lufthansa avoids longhaul from there like the plague, or why it has trouble sustaining non-seasonal longhauls to anywhere other than the likes of NYC.

    3. 1990_ Diamond

      Oh no... a corporation isn't extracting enough excessive profits... boo hoo... sad face... /s

  14. ImmortalSynn Platinum

    Didn't Condor announce a "partnership" with Southwest as well (also an interline) or did I imagine that?

    Could've sworn they did, but haven't heard a peep about it since. Regardless, that doesn't speak much for the value of such a partnership, if even people who loosely follow aviation can barely recall hearing about it.

    1. 1990_ Diamond

      (If Tim would ever come back, he could tell us his 'theory' of how WN will start flying TATL... and have widebodies, someday...)

    2. 1990_ Diamond

      If so, does that mean there’s an Amex MR to QF to Condor pipeline? Depends how good a deal it is, and how regularly available. QF used to have great partner awards in J and F (think EK) but those really dried up in recent times.

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Abidjan Diamond

Starlux, Condor - get it done, OW.

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STEFFL Diamond

OneWorld is calling! ... looks like a good replacement for former German OW member airberlin. AA always had great redemption on that airline, Condor much smaller than airberlin, but try to expand their network fast. Great Business Class produkt, thankfully NO stupid need anymore to connect in LHR if crossing the Atlantic and great network to Caribbean destinations ex FRA as well. PERFECT to show STAR and especially Lufthansa Group, that their dominance to North America is shrinking especially since Condor has a lot more partnerships there, compared to Lufthansa split between AC in Canada or UA in the US. While Lufthansa cut ties with JetBlue and lost Mexicana or cut back interlining with Copa, Condor seems to become a bigger competitor than Lufthansa ever hoped for. GREAT I'd say, Condor is next OW member

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elbee Member

I wonder if the topic of those A330-900's was also discussed alongside an interline agreement and future courtship to plugging the OW Germany gap.

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goingsmwhr New Member

Qantas recently added Condor as a redemption partner. They did the same with PAL and months late it was announced they were joining Oneworld. 😁

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Barbarella Guest

Being based in FRA comes from the historical constraint for LH to feed Condor. Now that Condor have to feed their long hauls themselves, they would probably have a more competitive hub in CGN with no curfew, bigger population pool and enough proximity to mop a bit of clientele off BRU and AMS. The main question for Condor is what feeder network do they want in Europe, if any. How much they want to continue to be a leisure heavy airline. And how all that fits with the rest of one world partners.

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