Lufthansa's Outrageous 89% Increase In Fuel Surcharges

United Miles don’t get a ton of play on this site. It seems to me they are the best way to get to Europe, all things considered. Is that fair? (This is coming from someone who is not a fan of United)

@Anthony one problem with UA is a few years ago they started charging higher mileage rates for partner tickets in premium cabins, seems UA finally realized what most everyone has know for years: their international product is inferior to their peers. But TATL, if you're using *A and can get a new Polaris configured plane then its a good option. AA TATL is also not bad IMO, the seats are great at least, food is OK - standard FA roulette (some good, some crap) applies as with all US carriers though. TATL is quite different than TPAC in that the international carriers have some of the worst products (see LH J/BA J )

The LHR-FRA-LAX ticket was charged only with a European APD because your layover was 60 hours, i.e. more than the 24 hours stipulated in the rules for the flights to be considered connecting: "the flights are connected if its scheduled time of departure is within 24 hours of the scheduled time of arrival of the first flight" (from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/air-passenger-duty-and-connected-flights). As far as the UK government is concerned, the destination of your itinerary would be FRA.

Side note: utilizing a free stopover on carriers like Icelandair not only gives you time in the transit country, it can also *save* you money thanks to the reduction in APD.

I had suggested to write a report about which ff programs are the best in each alliance.

Ripoff

@ Ben -- My layover was 12 hours and 10 minutes, and the APD is there on the business class fare for the same flights, just not on the first class fare.

Lufthansa is out of their mind.

@ Anthony -- We intend to talk about United miles a fair bit (Spencer had a post just a few weeks ago about the best way to earn their miles -- https://onemileatatime.com/best-travel-credit-cards/airline/united/), but I think we fall into the trap of forgetting that not everyone knows how to use them. We can definitely do better there.

United has a higher award rate to Europe than many other Star Alliance carriers, particularly for first class, but it's a solid option for business class redemptions, particularly given how easy it is to accrue United miles compared to other currencies.

LifeMiles it is.

Is the fuel surcharge the same amount in economy class?

@ Nick -- It is also increased compared to what it was, and a higher percentage of the overall revenue fare, but not as high as the premium cabins. ~$300 for a round-trip LAX-AMS, which is crazy considering that on the dates I checked the paid economy fare was $581.

@Tiffany - Yes, you have a 12 hour layover on the itinerary dated June 19th which includes the UK APD ("271.70 GB", which is CAD$271.10 or essentially GBP150 alowing for currency fluctuations). But the example flights you priced out (departing September 27) have a 60 hour layover and hence avoid APD. Unless I'm missing something, you're not comparing like-with-like.

@ Ben -- Oy, that would do it, thank you!

Just booked using Avianca miles for a LH in J US -Europe - with two stops enroute: Total taxes/fees: $82 - which includes the Avianca $25 redemption fee., so $57 in taxes. The good old days of mileage tickets are over, Avianca and Alaska one of the few 'bargains' left. Oh, for a return to USAirways 100 percent bonus buy and R/T US-Asia via Europe with stopover for 90K miles. Did it twice, flew a combined 19 segments on 10 different airlines. Looking at the receipts, the two mega trips cost less than $300.00 in fees/taxes.

As a Chicago-based flyer, I'm lucky to have several FFPs to choose from. I can say - hands down - United is the best option. I have over 500,000 AA miles that are virtually impossible to use for flights to Europe at the saver level - weird connecting itineraries (i.e. ORD-LGA, JFK-LHR, LGW-DBV), phantom availability, obscene surcharges (virtually all ex-ORD Europe flights are on BA metal; even as AA has reduced European flights from ORD, good luck finding a connection via PHL or CLT), or infuriating phantom availability (shows IB or AY flights, good luck booking them). Meanwhile, MileagePlus has a multitude of partners to choose from when going to Europe, dependable phone agents for complex connections, and consistent saver availability in coach and business. Yes, their 70k partner pricing is greater than 57.5k on AA but I'm ok paying ~20% more if I can dependably use the points. Oh, and I'll take Lufthansa, Swiss, or Austrian ANY day over AA, BA, or IB.

@ Caleb -- For sure. AA miles are atrocious for Europe (but a good option for other regions). Star Alliance has much better coverage in Europe with almost a dozen member carriers there, so usually it's a case of "which Star Alliance miles should I use?" not "is oneworld or Star Alliance best to Europe?".

Idk. I'm Chicago based and I think IB Avios to Madrid for 68k miles business and annual sales from Amex MR, like the 40% discount currently available is by far the best bargain in J to Europe and back from Chicago...
Does United offer a better deal??

@ Miles Ahead -- That's a good deal! Just also a very narrow one.

Would booking with Asiana miles also avoid the high YQ?

@ Tyler -- Nope, Asiana assesses full YQ on Lufthansa awards (but at their award rates it might still be worth it for some).

Wow! Huge devaluation for Aeroplan points! Unusable at economy saver now and if Lufthansa reduces award space for business, Aeroplan might just become useless currency.

Have you ever considered that european carrier are trying to protect part of the award inventory for the european ff crowd as the cc game allowing to get millions of miles does not exist due to more regulation. Americans would leave nothing to the others.

There's a way to avoid LH surcharges when booking with Aeroplan by changing the flights after the first flight segment in either direction, since Aeroplan doesn't recalculate surcharges once the journey has started.

For example, on my recent trip from Vancouver to Munich via Mexico City, I booked dummy flights on united from MEX - MUC via IAH. Once in MEX, I called to change from United to LH, paid the change fee, but taxes were not adjusted. Saved about $400 after accounting for the change fees.

I've done this multiple times with Aeroplan bookings. On roundtrip, you need to change after the first segment in either direction, but it can still be worth the effort and change fees if you're set on flying LH across the water.

@ Lefrid -- I don't think that's part of the equation. There are other mechanisms to restrict award inventory, and fuel surcharges impact revenue fares as well.

I can already hear BA firing up their computers to copy this...it just takes them longer since their IT is so unreliable.

@Dan, especially since they're still sorting through my credit card details :@

@ Tiffany -- Well, this news is certainly infuriating, especially since the FCQ and I were planning to use our LH stash for three F r/t West Coast US to Europe. That's quite the kick in the teeth. I generally expect better from LH, but maybe not anymore. This reminds me of the behavior of our friends over at DL.

I find it hard to believe that the actual ticket prices have increased as such. Has the base fare been reduced and this is just a way to inrease the award pricing?

I woul prefer they just increse to amount of miles required to book the award ticket than increase the fees...

Same with Ethiopian. I paid on a DXB - GRU less than 50 USD and checking new flights found out it now costs over 200 USD. Outrageous.

Fuel surcharges / carrier imposed surcharges are nothing but scams to shortchange the government (less tax paid on low fares high surcharge) and frequent flyer members trying to redeem miles (airline gets paid in the form of surcharges). I just wish the IRS will exhibit the same inertia when I try to shortchange them next time.

Looks like they jacked up the YQ on SK as well-- which was previously a sweet spot.

If you have a big cache of Miles and More and want to avoid fuel surcharges and still have a viable experience, fly SAS from the IAD to CPH (55K in business). They have the 1-2-1 seating. I don't want to sit beside people on a plane ride from the USA to Europe.

@GDDowntown

Thank you for a brilliant tip.
Do you know how to connect using this route.
E.g. If I enter IAD-TXL it offers me connections in FRA, MUC, NYC etc but not in CPH.

I have 240,000 miles on LH and 370,000 miles on Avianca Lifemiles (among several other programs). I use my LH miles for upgrades to Premium Economy and Business -- and I'm ok with that. I've rarely used my Avianca miles but intend to use them for free trans-oceanic tickets.