Scary: Southwest Boeing 737 MAX Suffers Dutch Roll Incident

Not to be confused with a Dutch rudder

"I certainly hope this is an isolated incident, and doesn’t reflect a bigger issue with the Boeing 737 MAX." Uhhh there's been how many MAX incidents in the past few years now?

How many residents of the Netherlands are waking up, reading OMAAT, and learning that there’s an aircraft safety issue named after them?

Or a Danish roll, which is delicious.

I suppose that is better than a Dutch rudder.

Or the bacon roll…actually buttie is better:-)

This is a big deal. They need to find out the exact cause asap.

Where does the name Dutch roll come from?

Dutchland.

In South Korea splitting the bill after a meal or something is known as "Dutch pay"

In the US it's called "Dutch treat," no idea of the genesis of the phrase and it's one that's not heard often anymore.

I’m not flying a 737 Max, period. I prefer A320s anyway and I don’t think Delta has any Maxs. I just don’t trust that model at this point. Why risk it?

Yeah capitalism and their monopolies/oligopolies, and their race to the bottom...metaphorically AND literally!

Delta currently does not. They are expected to have some 737 MAX 10s in 2027.

Knowing the Southwest pilot group, one pilot probably wanted to show off to the other. He shut the autopilot off and executed the dutch roll. Then the flight attendants probably called the cockpit and said all the passengers are wondering what just happened. So the pilots didn't want to get reported so they blamed it on the plane. If so, they are in violation of the FARs since you have to have an autopilot engaged at that altitude. That's my take, knowing that pilot gtoup.

are you just trying to see how many irrelevant buzz words you can cram into a single sentence?

jumping two ropes is double dutch

In the U.K. it’s “going dutch?”

Was that the same group that kicked out the UA deadhead?

Very interesting. No mention of the yaw damper being failed. On functional check flights in the T-43A (Boeing 737-200) we would disengage the yaw damper, intentionally induce Dutch Roll at 15,000 feet then engage the yaw damper and the roll had to stop in one and a half oscillations in order to pass (which was pretty impressive). 41 years flying the 737, five USAF and 36 airline. I remember the yaw damper inop was in the MEL and could be dispatched inop. I flew a trip once and it was not fun in turbulence. I recommend no more trips flown until repaired after that flight.

From a particularly sweet pastry made by the Dutch that's so good that every bite makes you want to shake your bum and sway side to side at the same time 🙂

Created by the British to insult the Dutch back during the age of the European empires.

This wouldn't happen on Delta.

would be interesting to know if the yaw damper can be MELd on a MAX

Also "the flying Dutchman"

What about the notorious Dutch Oven.

Or a Dutch 200 (bowling score)

Ben, it's not in the news because the name "Dutch roll" isn't scary & there's no scary video either. They need either or both for clicks.

It cannot be on Delta.

Delta would never

I like chocolate sprinkles on my Dutch roll!

Boeing has been in comfortable position too long. Now their products are full of hidden issues. This won’t be the last.

If the airplane was t a lower altitude, it might have been caused by some weird turbulence but at level 300 it looks like mechanical.

Even young people in the US still say "going dutch" to refer to splitting the check. It's based on the (not untrue!) stereotype that, if you're being mean, the Dutch are cheap, and if you're being kind, that they think it is more fair if everyone pays their own way. Even work colleagues will often charge one another for bringing a coffee. It's a wild scene.

I literally did this demo in the Embraer sim at FL360 with my clients!

What’s wrong with clarity and equal cost sharing?

For those in the comments wonderering: We Dutch do not care one bit about others’ negative use of the term “Dutch”. We are the most awesome anyway.

Forgot to add: But we Dutch do actively avoid the Booing 737Max. Not just because these are flying disasters waiting to happen (If it ain’t Airbus, I’m taking the bus). because as the tallest people on the planet we really don’t fit the lavatories!

If you actually look at a video of a Dutch roll, you’d know why passengers don’t feel it.

The motion resembles that of a long distance ice skater swaying side to side. The Dutch love long skating trips when the canals freeze.

The moot question is: why didn’t this incident receive sufficient media attention? Boeing has been under a lot of flak for not paying due attention to safety procedures and quality in manufacturing which it was very focused on previously as it involves hundreds of lives.

@Ben a bit more is coming out now with reports of serious damage to a certain part of the aircraft system and counterfeit documentation relating to titanium used on the airframe.

Dutch Rudder?

Jim,
What do you base your knowledge of the Southwest pilot group on? After flying in the military, I flew for Southwest for 19 years. As a commuter for my entire career, I jump seated on Southwest, as well as numerous other carriers. My scariest scariest landings were on other carriers. Those scary moments were rare, but I remember them vividly.

I have noticed there seems to be more airplane incidences since the airlines instituted their DEI program. I certainly hope I am wrong or there will be more events with different outcomes.