We’ve seen some airlines start to require vaccination among employees, and now one major airport in the United States has added a similar requirement.
Continue reading: SFO Airport Adds Employee Vaccine Mandate
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As Ben noted, the Bay Area is already very vaccinated (SF 12+ is at 81%), and other local public employee groups are already required to be vaccinated.
This isn’t being introduced into some inbred backward hayseed locale.
Segregation is the ANSWER!
Force people to do stuff to their bodies they don't want!
Maybe we can have different bathrooms soon too?
Vaccinated people on one side, the awful, unvaccinated on the other.
Separate, but equal.
Also, news flash: Vaccinated people don't contribute to herd immunity.
So everyone who is vaccinated with a non-sterilizing vaccine, is just protecting themselves, they aren't slowing the spread of anything.
Ahh, yes. The great vaccine that doesn't really protect you, or anyone else, from contracting covid.
I’d just settle for keeping the unvaccinated morons out of the ICU in case I have a car accident.
Other than that, they can live their lives as they wish.
Great news! Happy since I have upcominng connection in SFO x2 in October. Vaccines save lives!
Protects you from dying! 96%+ of covid deaths now are unvaccinated. It’s just a shot and it works great
You're not wrong, but I would imagine that most of the airport workers don't live in the 49 Sq. Miles of SF proper, so they could potentially be coming from less vaccinated areas.
I like these ideas separate as much as absolutely policy. BTW segregation is when it's not a choice. This is a choice, very different.
Cite the actual data on this. Not the regurgitated talking points being passed around from newspaper to newspaper.
Interesting that they have no exemption regarding prior infection and natural immunity. Heck, a CDC study that looked at prisons found that about 70% of prisoners that were vaccinated still contracted COVID although they did not experience severe illness or death.
70%...unless they test every single employee weekly using a blood draw, this is just punishing the unvaccinated including the ones with natural immunity while having a permissive attitude to other vectors allowing more COVID spread.
70% of fully vaccinated prisoners caught COVID-19 in a Texas Delta outbreak, the CDC says — but vaccines protected against severe disease
All the jab does is give a vaccinated person somewhat more protection than an unvaccinated person. If the really wanted to stop the spread everyone should be required to submit to weekly blood draws for COVID.
"Kenny, that's patently false. Don't be a tool."
He is only a little wrong. 70% of vaccinated prisoners' contracted COVID as opposed to 90% of unvaccinated prisoners. The 20% difference is substantial but it odds of protection against contracting COVID is less that a coin toss.
I hope you agree that mandatory blood draws for all employee to screen for COVID is the best option.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e3.htm?s_cid=mm7038e3_x
How about every hospital reporting that ~95+% of hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated? Or is that not being reported on Faux news these days.
@UA-NYC, open just about any newspaper and read it. This has been in the news for weeks now. Science illiteracy has been killing off conservatives in droves of late, so that the Dem's odds in the 2022 midterms are no doubt materially improving as a result. The country's average IQ is also increasing as a side effect.
I notice this is your one data point for every argument. (Single study from a single prison with a hefty list of underlying conditions.) The same study and many others talk about outcomes for the unvaccinated.
Do you think it’s a little disingenuous to omit that from your argument? If I didn’t know better, I would say you are not recommending vaccination.
Totally agree. One of the few good things about this pandemic is that most likely, the people who are dying due to covid are more likely to be Trump voters.
So to all of you anti-vaxxers, say "hell no" to the futile vaccines! Throw way those masks. After all, ya gotta breath. And stock up and keep popping the ivermectin!
I’m not clear on your thesis. Weekly blood draws? You can catch Covid in a crowded stadium - along with many hundreds of others. By the time a weekly test comes around, there will be a giant cluster of cases.
As your often-cited study indicates in the closing, a multi-layered strategy (vaccines and masking, at a minimum) is best for controlling this.
And your ‘it only helps yourself’ argument is also weak - everyone should have more protection so that our ICU bed capacity can be available for ‘regular’ high-acuity cases.
Jeffery,
Suggesting that an incarcerated population is an analogue for the public at large is a mistake.
Yes delta is very contagious. The more virus you are exposed to the higher likelihood there is that you may get sick, vaccinated or not. For a population in jail with minimal ability to distance and no changing of the members of the population who are always in close contact this is an issue. For the rest of us who do not generally remain in a small pod or cell with the same people for 24 hours a day that risk is much less. That is why for the public at large our vaccines are 40-80% effective at preventing symptomatic illness (depending on which vaccine you got).
"Do you think it’s a little disingenuous to omit that from your argument?"
No. I believe if we should be informed about co-morbidities than the news media should be consistent across the board. Every single unvaccinated death they report should be accompanied by the person BMI, health conditions, age, co morbidities, etc.
If the lack of relevant details if good enough for the trusted media than it should be good enough for me.
"If I didn’t know better, I would say you are not recommending vaccination."
If you want to get vaccinated go ahead and do so. If you are elderly and/or sickly I think its a good idea. If you have concerns please consult your physician. I am just an internet person providing more information.
Additionally, since the state has near carte blanche over the bodily autonomy of its citizens in a workplace, do you believe that a weekly blood test for ALL employees to screen for COVID will provide greater protection than the standard of the vaccinated bot having to test?
"Suggesting that an incarcerated population is an analogue for the public at large is a mistake."
I am not stating that a prison population is similar to the general population anymore so than the subset of persons working at an international airport is comparable to the general population. Airports have very good places for disease transmission, have innumerable high touch surfaces, and is a closed environment with planes leaving constantly.
I am merely advocating for weekly blood testing to screen for COVID for all employees. If limiting spread is the main goal and the Biden regimes edict is that bodily autonomy is an alien concept in the workplace (when it comes to testing) than I do see the issue with weekly blood testing for as long as COVID exists.
"I’m not clear on your thesis. Weekly blood draws? You can catch Covid in a crowded stadium - along with many hundreds of others. By the time a weekly test comes around, there will be a giant cluster of cases."
Okay, daily PCR nasal testing and weekly blood draws for all employees regardless of vaccination status. Many schools already require testing and the executive branch requires anyone entering the White House submit to a nasal test.
Surely you find my proposal of:
> Daily nasal PCR tests for all employees
> Weekly Blood Testing for all employees
to be reasonable given your position that:
"everyone should have more protection so that our ICU bed capacity can be available for ‘regular’ high-acuity cases."
After all, what are you going to argue? Bodily autonomy in the workplace? You have not per the Biden regimes declaration .
The touch aspect of covid transmission has been dismissed as a driving factor in transmission.
Airports certianly are a risk factor as it is a location where a lot of people congregate and then disperse, potentiallly across the globe. But it’s almost universally not the same people (inmates) in the same location (jail pod) for not only hours, but months to years, continuously.
So you use a very specific example of vaccine relative ineffectiveness regarding transmission to advocate for testing in a very different situation under the assumption of a similar vaccine ineffectiveness.
For the general public vaccination continues to be exceedingly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalizations, and death. As an emergency medical provider that’s all I care about. If you catch covid, feel like crap for a week, and get better, I’m not concerned. Even if you give it to someone else who will most likely have a similar course of illlness if vaccinated (or previously infected. The choice to ignore naturally acquired immunity is a mistake).
Covid—19 is going to become an endemic virus we will never get rid of. The only way out of this pandemic is via immunity, either via infection or via vaccination. One route offers lots of illness, disability, and full hospitals. The other greatly reduces all three. Once covid becomes like the common cold, something that rarely kills and usually causes the sniffles, we will all be much better off.
Of course SFO would. The liberal capital of the US. Maybe they should clean up all the human feces, used needles and trash strewn about their once pretty city before instituting another policy
JetJock64 your ignorance is astounding? Did you even graduate from HS? I am vaccinated and mask up when required as do most of my friends and colleagues. We are almost all conservatives. It’s your IQ which is clearly lacking for posting such nonsense.
It’s weird to see someone who is so thoroughly ambivalent about the vaccine. Since you’re down with reading CDC articles, I would recommend checking up on whether this is really an “elderly or immunocompromised-only” affair.
Pro tip: look for articles after July 2021. Delta has changed the game.
Potentially. Excluding San Francisco: Alemeda, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Marin and Contra Costa are all swinging it above 70%. Solano and Napa aren't doing that well... but that's a horrible commute to SFO. They're likely coming from Alamdea / other east bay communities.