A Vietnam Airlines Boeing 787 had an accident today while taking off on a long haul flight from Germany to Vietnam. Fortunately no one appears to have been injured, but I can’t even begin to wrap my head around how something like this could happen… [...]
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Normal acceleration but at 138kn brakes at the back, left side probably kicked in.
Paid for whole runway; use whole runway.
Feel that way every time I fly.
LOL!! That's fantastic!
The video with the inside view on the right hand side of the aircraft is so scary. You can see the grass and that the plane has not yet taken off.
Gross incompetence from both pilots. Set off down the runway, then pick up a magazine and read it expecting the computer to send the plane safely into the air? Morons.
Yes, that is exactly what happened. The cause is now known, thank you.
Oh! Which magazine was it? Just curious. Vietnam Week? Playboy? Blueboy?
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Boy...that's a completely uneducated remark. Obviously you are 1: not a pilot and, if so 2: obviously not trained under FAR Part 121/135 here in the US.
ISn't there is a video somewhere from airport vehicle showing breaking marks close to the end of the runway.
Anyway, preliminary report is due soon - this will tell
@JHS....I Couldn't agree more!!
I would imagine the Europeans are doing their own investigation and they will get to the issue of what really went on.
If there is an allegation of potential engine failure or misoperation, I am sure GE will be involved pretty quickly to understand what happened.
Glad to see the pilots aren't being blamed for the fuel switches this time... Goodness me if anyone points a finger at the manufacturer; gotta protect those Boeing/GE profits/bonuses. The 'ghost braking' theory is interesting, but surely there's nothing to worry about... keep flying Dreamliners assembled in South Carolina to dodge WA labor laws. What could go wrong? Nothing. Obviously.
Yes, there are reports that there was breaking action on one MLG about 210 meters before the end of the runway, I saw that from The Aviation Herald, that is normally pretty reputable. That is probably not what prevented the aircraft from taking off some where along the other 3790 meters of runway it passed before that.
But let's see what the investigation will say.
I couldn't find the reference to "ghost braking" but if it was meant to mean toes pressing on the rudder pedals, the slightest "push" on the top of the pedals will disarm the RTO (rejected take off) braking system (and on landing, the auto brake system). I tell the pilots to drop their heels to the floor when steering the aircraft on takeoff. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO HELP THE RTO stop the jet!! On landing, just use the rudder pedals for steering and at about 90k reduce the reverse throttles to idle and at 60K stow the reversers (helps prevent FOD getting sucked into the engine. Continue to let the auto brakes do their job as deemed necessary. Then, tap them off with a quick jab at the brake pedals. For what it's worth RTO braking applies more brake pressure than both pilots and all four feet pressing on the top part of the rudder pedals can exert. The RTO braking is a "four coupon Disney ride". If initiated above 80K, it will leave you shaking in your boots, need to find a restroom really quick and go back to home or the hotel. SCARY is an understatement (even in the simulator!) BUT beats the hell out of a funeral home! We rehearse is ALL THE TIME!! Every aircraft comes with a putty knife to be used if either one of the pilots doesn't have the shoulder harness secured. We use it to scrape the other guy's face off the windscreen!
What other countries/Airlines should be banned from flying "Beoings" going forward, in view of your esteemed intellect?
I am sure "Beoing" will appreciate their customer pool narrowing even as they struggle to keep apace with Airbus.
The real 'kicker' in these videos taken from inside the plane is how relatively silent the passengers are, realizing (or not) how close to death they all were. Not even a 'what was that?' or a 'did you see how close we were!' (in German/Vietnamese, naturally).
boeing 787 wonderbox ?!
terrible manufacture nowadays...
Whether flying a General Aviation aircraft or a Part 121/135 aircraft, there's an unwritten "rule" called "50/70". V1, not withstanding, if the aircraft has not accelerated to 70% of VR by the time you reach 50% of the runway length, you need to STOP! There's another couple of speeds that we review before the takeoff. 80K is for two things: It provides a visual that the aircraft airspeed indicators are functioning AND they agree on speed. It also delineates the "low speed" vs "high speed" abort procedures. V1, you gotta fly (BUT there is a caveat), VR, rotation and V2 (single engine climb speed) and V2+20 (single engine maneuvering speed). Up to 80K we will discontinue the takeoff for just about anything. Between 80K and V1, we will discontinue takeoff for any fire or fire warning, an engine failure, fear that the jet won't fly and a direct wind shear alert. After V1, we will abort ONLY if we fear the jet won't fly OR no runway left to fly. That's where the balanced field length (already figured into the various airspeeds) is considered. Rather than do the math, the "50/70" rule will work. A low speed abort, the crew will talk among themselves and with company maintenance as to whether to try the takeoff again or go back to the gate. A high speed abort...back to the gate PERIOD either under power or towed in.