Another airline intends to eliminate first class. The writing was on the wall for this, though it’s still kind of sad.
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they just did first for the royal family somehow
did it onve lhr-bkk
was quite average all in all
I will miss true first class. It was a great affordable luxury when available on miles. Times change, oh well. I’m sure my grandparents’ generation misses having roast beef carved at their seat by the “stewardess”
I'll miss it. True @chris, not world-beating F, but definitely a cut above J and availability not bad BKK-LHR, with pleasant ground experience in BKK. It's nice when they detach the velvet rope and greet one by name.
Do they still have dedicated first class check in and lounge at BKK? What will happen to those?
Glad to have experienced the First Lounge full massage then being driven to my plane, even if my particular F flight itself wasn't terribly memorable.
Given Thai's all-over-the-place approach in the past I'd bet that First could come back at some point in the future (maybe once the airline feels it's got a more solid operation going).
At least TG F did not make a laughing-stock of itself like GA F did, what with GA's endless schedule changes, the irregular 2/3x-weekly AMS service, the chopping and changing on the HND route and the disaster that was LHR. In contrast, TG has consistently flown its F product to LHR and HND, and with a consistent schedule.
This is a reflection of just how low GA has sunk, and continues to languish in despair with an extremely bare-bones international network, all while TG (and MH) have turned a new leaf and are improving with new planes --- though they can't match SQ.
Sad.
I flew TG first on many flights the MD-11s and 747-200s with FC to LAX and v.v. back in the late 80s and into the 90s, when they replaced those with 747-400s. That was back in the day when TG had exceptional service for FC in the air.
Hopefully they can figure out a way to bring it back someday, but in a way where the service they offer is actually competitive with SQ FC.
I don't think there's much of a business case for an airline to have first class if they're operating in a low-yield, highly-competitive market. A first class product can make sense if your main hub is in an area with a large cohort of exceptionally wealthy residents (e.g. DOH, possibly SAO/MEX due to their sheer size), a key destination for affluent people and senior politicians from around the globe (e.g. PAR), or both (e.g. NYC, Switzerland). Thai would never see a real return on anything invested in developing and offering a true F product.
Probably we are arguing the same thing. The wealth in the upper stratum of Thai society is pretty incredibly wealthy. Considering TG's route network, I don't think F demand is the key issue. It's the maintenance/staffing/catering/etc for F. High-value routes probably don't make up for the opportunity cost of keeping existing F cabins. Really this should be the case for CX; the Thai GDP far exceeds HK, for one metric.
@Ben Sad that three carriers (TG, GA, and WY) will have lost first class soon.
And we probably need to wait until 2027 (partly on account of 777X certification challenges) before more of the next generation first class seats can be introduced.
Looking forward to your next update of the best first class rankings, especially after your LH F Allegris “adventure” with your dad.
Yes because Thailand is a country, HK is but a city lol.
The fact that the two figures are even comparable shows you how much higher yield HK is. The per capita GDP of HKG is over 7x that of Thailand's. Sure if you go head to head of BKK vs HKG that shrinks to a 2.5x diff, but the difference is notable.
The best value ( arguably of any redemption) was 40,000 points from Sydney to Bangkok( or reverse) in first class sitting in the nose of the 747 . I did this route many times between 2015 and 2019. When their food and drink service was top notch ( caviar and Dom Perignon & Baron Otard Extra Cognac. Good memories
Also did this many times using United points, often connecting up to Haneda for an extra 30K points, if memory serves me right. Truly the golden age of redemptions.
They do, but that will probably be go as BKK is expanding its check in hall, which will extend out where the F Check-In currently is.
No hat tip ? There's been an update regarding this since I let you know. Thai has now changed plans to keep these 3 777s around until the lease expires, but as of 2028, these will be sold as as business plus or whatevever they are going to call. So about 5 years these should stick around...
Incorrect, many people said this, but the order was placed before COVID to complement the 747s and 380s. Big rumour that isn't actually accurate.
The king doesn't leave the country much anymore (minus Bhutan, where he flew), and his wife used a 787-8 last time when she went to Europe.