SWISS has announced plans to shrink its fleet, including retiring five long haul aircraft. Oddly the airline isn’t saying which aircraft it will retire, even though you’d think the choice would be obvious.
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So which long haul routes will be disappearing??
Will they still have Geneva long haul?
Hi Ben, minor correction: Helvetic is not a subsidiary of Swiss. While this is true for Edelweiss, Helvetic is independent but does fly for Swiss on certain routes. Really interested if they keep the A340s or not…
Sorry - just a stylistic point ( the content is really good as always).
I think to make the word Swiss possessive you can add 's. Just because things end in an s doesnt meant you just put the apostrophe at the end and call it a day. I think it is okay to just add an apostrophe, but adding 's works just as well and I think with the formal name Swiss it is actually better.
Anyway, take or leave my advice, but I just wanted to put it out ther.
I’d be curious to see the maintenance records. If they invested in new interiors for the A340’s it likely means they also did the heavy and expensive maintenance checks. The A330’s might be coming due and if it’s a heavy check it might still be worth flying the A340 vs an A330 due for a very expensive maintenance check
Swiss will be more "focused" and "more digital"? WTF is this businessspeak supposed to mean? They'll email us from point to point? This guy is full of more BS than Calgary following the stampede. Seriously, the concept of being plain spoken has been lost and that's sad.
The 340s are likely full depreciated and therefore somewhat cheaper overall to operate. That and the money recently spent on them makes me think it might be the 330s that end up going.
The A330s were delivered in 2010 to 2011 or 2012 no? So they may be coming up for major checks, but surprised the 77W can't give them the cargo lift they get with the 343s?
I actually hope they keep the A340s, much more comfy business class than the more open configuration on their A330-300s. Also just cool to fly a plane ✈️ that is nearly gone...
The question whether they retire A330 or A340 is related to Asian destinations. Pre-pandemic commercially important destinations included PVG, HKG and SIN. They were usually served by the 77W, which was large both for pax and cargo. Now, pax demand close to zero, but cargo is doing well on these very long routes, so the A340 is the best fit. The A330 doesn’t make it with full payload and the 77W is way too big for pax demand. So all depends on if and when pax travel to Asia will recover.
One of the issues are the crew rest containers - or rather the lack thereof on the A330… SWISS have had to block all first class seats on some A330 flights to Asia in order to accomodate the crew
wiki shows fleet of 5 340s, and their announcement is 5 long haul cuts, and parent Lufthansa ending 340s, so i'm guessing that's it, despite SLR range to Asia.
The 330s will also need a refresh soon…it’s not cheap to refresh a cabin. The oldest 330s are from 2009. Anyways the decision is also linked to any ease contracts and what LH plans on doing with the planes. FYI, SWISS has stated that no destinations are being but, rather frequencies will be adjusted.
I think Swiss will keep the A340 around for a while longer having made that recent investment.
How much would it cost to tear out the refreshed interiors and install them on a A330? Lol.
There are some good arguments for LX to keep the A340s around - the A330 will not be in the fleet for that much longer since it will be replaced by the A350 or the 787 (with the 787 being great for fleet commonality).
The A340s have been recently refurbished. They have a much bigger cargo capacity. Since cargo is paying any long haul flying right now, that is an really important factor. In the end the A340 has space for one extra pallet and a lot of additional MTOW.
Additionally fuel is really cheap right now.
The A330s are in storage right now. I can bet my ass off that LX will keep the A340s and sell a few A330s.
There is actually one more factor; Edelweiss. Since they are keeping A340s anyway, a big chunk of the economics of scale for selling A340s is gone anyway.
Last but not least the resale value proposition is a lot better for the A330 compared to the ultra cheap A340-300s.
Therefore I strongly believe in the retirement of 5 SWISS A330-300.
The A330 in question will be stored and not retired. There won't be any route cuts, but frequencies will be reduced.
Furthermore I'll be looking forward to when A359s will be introduced with LX 🙂
Also they probably own their A340s outright so the need for high utilization would be far less. Additionally, in my experience they are refurbished a340s are more comfortable than their a330s in economy class
Based on the announcement by Swiss, I expect they are launching the world's first teleportation device to "digitally" transport us from one point to another.
The retired aircraft will most likely be A340s - akin to the LH retirements.
Agree, was just trying to mention that Edelweiss still have 4 A343 at the moment, and they won't get retired unless Edelweiss suddenly quit long haul market
Next to the 777, the A340 has proven to be a workhorse during the crisis. As David mentioned, fuel is cheap right now and the A340 is more flexible due to some factors. The range of the 333 is limited and it also has no crew rest, unlike the 340, which means F class has to be blocked for resting purposes on some routes. In addition, the 340 is better for cargo and has the new C / F class installed.
How is being " more digital" a thing to promote as a positive when talking about being shrinking the airline? What nonsense!
To get us from A to B Swiss needs planes. Being " digital" doesn't change that basic fact.
Some of the west coast and Asian routes may not be able to serviced by A330 and the 77W have way too much capacity for these thinner routes.
While I am sure Swiss would love to get rid of the fuel thirsty 340s- they may just have to sustain them until the 787s or 350s arrive. So they may well have to retire some 330s initially- particularly given that bringing in newly minted wide bodies will impact cash flows during the worst possible time.
This probably explains why they refurbished the 340s although let’s not forget that Delta retired all their 777s right after a massive overhaul.
It’s honestly a toss up!
The A340 is already almost 18 years old, older than the A330, but it as better range versus payload. I bet that the older A340/A330 will go. The A359 will replace the A340 superbly and the 789 the same with the A333.. although I think the best airplane to replace the A333 would be definitely the A339neo.