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South Africa's Comair Likely To Liquidate

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At the end of May 2022, British Airways’ South African franchise suspended flights, as the airline ran out of money. It looks increasingly unlikely that the airline will make a comeback.

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Diamond
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Just a point of correction - you say that South African airlines have not received Government aid, but the reality is that just a single South African airline (viz. South African Airways) has received (and continues to receive) more Government aid as a proportion of its revenue than any airline in the USA did.


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Diamond
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This blows.

Comair dba British Airways blew SAA out of the water on short haul Southern Africa flights in terms of service. Goodbye Kulula as well.

I wonder how Lift Airways will do assuming the demise of Comair, ironic considering Gidon Novick built Comair into the success it was, and also founded Lift.

We’ll see.


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 mrl
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Is there an obvious reason South African airlines seem to be struggling so much? When I was booking internal flights for a trip to southern Africa later this summer, the prices were astronomical for the distances—I would think that this would allow airlines to compete/thrive (when compared to similar-distanced routes in Asia-Pacific, Europe, or the US).


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 Jeff
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What does this mean for St. Helena service?


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Diamond
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They are no longer the airline serving St. Helena (and their service there never started). 737s were not well suited to the airport, so another airline with EMB operates that route.


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Diamond
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SA Airlink does the flight with a stop in Walvis Bay on the outbound flight from Joburg.


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Domestic flights between the largest cities in South Africa (the country) are competitively priced; flights to/from secondary or tertiary cities are priced no different than if you were trying to fly between two small cities in the US.

Now if you're referring to flights between countries in southern Africa (the region) then yes you would be correct that the pricing is crazy.


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(@Leigh)
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Ouch and sad. Just came back from a vacation in SA, and flew them between CPT-JNB. I've been fortunate to fly Comair/BA frequently over the years, and always thought they were a very good airline. Hope they make it back.

By the way, it's really important to note that the sister airline company, Kulula, is also suspending operations....its the LCC airline of the same parent company, Comair. @Ben, you should probably update your post to reflect this, as it's also an important suspension of SA airline service.


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(@Leigh)
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@Ben....my apologies...you did mention Kulula in the post!


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(@Michelle Coelho)
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Well you canceled my kulula flight for Thursday the second. I want my refund


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(@Annerie van Dyk)
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Does these British Airways cancellations apply to international flights as well??


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(@Shaun Wood)
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The possibility of refunds is remote. At best you will receive a voucher valid for 6 months entitling you to the same flights you originally booked. That is, if the airline is still operating.


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 Ben
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Losing the ability to use Avios for intra-SA tickets would be no bueno. On the plus side its now possible to redeem UA miles for Airlink flights!


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Diamond
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It only applies to BA-branded flights that are flown by Comair. So if one has a ticket from, say, Johannesburg to Victoria Falls, you’re out of luck.

If you have a ticket from Cape Town to London, you’re fine, since that is flown by British Airways, NOT Comair.


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 Jp
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This as is fraud its like stealing my money should be laying criminal charge at police


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Diamond
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For tickets booked with a credit card (as all tickets should be), a refund from your credit card issuer should be straightforward, especially in the US. US FTC guidance under the Fair Credit Billing Act indicates that the 120 day limit usually based on the transaction date changes to 120 days from expected date of service (the booked flight date) in the event of a service provider (airline, cruise line, hotel, etc) ceasing operations. There are some similar provisions in the EU, although some of them are card issuer specific (ie Mastercard in the EU counts 120 days from expected date of service).

TL;dr - Call your credit card company, not Comair.


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Diamond
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Just realized this also has implications for various oneworld connections, not just BA, and primarily at JNB. Just last week I used AA points from a domestic SA city to connect to Qatar Airways in JNB...priced at the same redemption level as to my final destination, as per the oneworld points structure. Sigh. Hope they can fly again. I always like to fly them.


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 Yaya
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I think the SAA is different because it is a SOE


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 Hiro
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I didn't know OMAAT was selling tickets


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(@MarVer)
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They just cancelled my flight from Joburg to Vic Falls for June 10th. While I was able to cancel the itinerary, it still costs me a lot of money. First, the exchange rate has changed since I booked back in March, so I don't even get back what I paid for (in USD). Second, as to not ruin our entire trip and having to cancel our commitments in Vic Falls (which would have incurred all kinds of cancellation fees), I had to scramble to find alternative flights, which cost me $1,000 more. Is there any recourse for compensation of these damages? Seems like BA is sticking it to their customers by taking reservations for an operator that was not on solid footing. This was not exactly a "beyond-their-control" event; they could have seen this train wreck coming. I'm truly furious with them.


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(@Jasper)
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Just as a point of reference: Comair (including Kulula and BA branded flights) represented approx 40% of domestic airline capacity in SA.


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 John
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The SA Airline Industry has really taken a beating. By my count you're basically let with a rump SAA, Airlink, LIFT (with 3 destinations), CemAir, and FlySafair.


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(@Jasper)
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Reward Flight Saver on Comair was one of the better uses of Avios. Not only intra-SA but even more so on regional flights such as to Harare or Vic Falls where it would otherwise be hard to find a reasonably priced ticket.


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Diamond
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Kulula is a larger part of the Comair operation than BA branded flights. I have flown Kulula recently and it was ok for an LCC.
The impact to S. Africa as a whole by this shutdown will be significant. There is a decent domestic air travel market in S. Africa but it will take time for someone else to step in and have an impact.


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(@Jason)
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We had a flight booked with them in July from JNB to CPT. Anyway to get that money back or we SOL?


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(@TravelinWilly)
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Call your cc company.


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(@Rufuss C Kingston)
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File a claim with your travel insurance.... You did purchase travel insurance didn't you?


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Diamond
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If you were booked under the BA code, passengers are being rebooked on Airlink flights or receiving full refunds (I received my refund in 4 business days after applying online).


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Diamond
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LIFT only flies between JNB-CPT (2 destinations).


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(@TravelinWilly)
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Believe SA Airlink offer is for travel through 12 June only at this point.


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(@Geoff)
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We were booked on Qatar biz connection from Europe to Vic Falls in early July. Upon hearing about the Comair suspension a few days ago, called them to see what they could do to help. The first two times they said nothing they can do as flight still showing as operating. Then asked to speak with a manager and explained that BA was already rebooking people through end of July and not even selling tickets anymore, the airline had posted an announcement on website about suspending operations and the flights for the next day were still showing as “on time” even though all were getting cancelled last minute.

She was very understanding in the end after a bit of convincing and offered to rebook us on an earlier flight from Europe so that we could make the connection on a FastJet JNB-VFA flight, as otherwise connection would have been too tight. Now we arrive at 4AM and have 7hr layover in JNB (instead of 2hr) and flying economy on last leg to VFA, but well worth it to not have to worry about flight cancellations anymore.

Doesn’t hurt to ask and be persistent/beg a bit!


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 John
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Ah, I thought they had a George seasonal route, but apparently not.


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(@Brianair)
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Wow, seems like South Africa is a black hole for airlines.

Any word on Webclift Airways? Sounds like it’s becoming another Baltia or Ponzi scheme at this point.


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