Official: Air New Zealand Launching New York Flights

Also noteworthy to mention that in the past, NZ1 and 2 were AKL-LAX-LHR and back respectively.

Happy they chose JFK over EWR!

This is really great news! Curious to see what prices will be like, since we can probably expect premium award availability to be non existent.

I would have thought this would be a longer block time. Materially shorter than SIN-JFK.

Must be a prestige thing to pick JFK, because as far as I know, EWR isn't any further than JFK for people in Manhattan by train or car. I suppose it's also possible JFK was picked because of the Long Island population that would use JFK over EWR. Seems like a missed opportunity though to not pick EWR.

As such a seasoned traveler, I'm surprised to see you saying that choosing JFK means that the flight is 'direct' to New York whereas I guess you think that wouldn't be the case for flights into EWR? Whilst EWR might be in a different state, it's closer to Manhattan and it's far more convenient and faster to get to both midtown and downtown Manhattan from EWR than it is from JFK, unless you're commuting by helicopter. With that in mind and the United codeshare partnership, it's truly extremely surprising that they have selected JFK.

Only in the USA (and New York especially, pre-LGA-glam-up) could JFK be considered the "prestigious" airport of a group... ugh

Why no plane with first class?

In part because no NZer I know searches for EWR when traveling to NY everyone always searches JFK.

I can’t wait , wonderful.
I have family in NY .
I live in MEL and also have family in Auckland
It’s a dream come true ,
Thanks AIR NZ

I always see people argue this but it really depends if you need to get to the East side or West side. If taking public transportation, then you need to exit from or transfer at Penn Station when coming from EWR - no thank you. I much prefer the airtrain to the express E train from JFK and it's only slightly longer than coming from EWR into Manhattan, generally speaking. Again, convenience for both depends on which side of town you need to end up in.

Note that it's a 275-seat aircraft, not 288-seat. The Skycouches are included in the economy seat count, not extra.

While it's pointless to debate the merits of the two airports (hint: they both suck), it's certainly true that EWR is a "New York" airport as much as JFK. And LGA more than either of them.

Because NZ doesn't offer an international F product, and even among carriers that do (SQ, some CX) they often exclude it from their longest nonstops due to the unnecessary additional weight of the huge F seats/suites.

Air New Zealand doesn't have first class.

Surprised to see so many economy seats. Sounds like an awful way to spend 16+ hours. I thought they'd go with a layout more similar to Singapore's A350 UL.

I don’t really think JFK’s lack of connectivity is that big of a concern for NZ. They already fly to most of UA’s hubs and I imagine the amount of destinations only served by UA at EWR is relatively small and almost certainly mostly very small destinations (perhaps mostly EAS ones). There’s just not enough of a market for the connectivity to make a big difference in terms of choosing between EWR/JFK. Also, given that it would likely land at Terminal B at EWR, it’s not like it can really take advantage of the Polaris Lounge or something.

Also to the argument that no one wants to fly into JFK over EWR, that’s really only true for frequent travelers to NYC who want to go to Manhattan, Staten Island, or North Jersey. The Bronx is equidistant, and Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island, Westchester County, and Fairfield County all are closer to JFK. So while Manhattan is the likely destination of most people coming from New Zealand to New York, far more people who live in the area live closer to JFK. Also, while it might seem silly, the ability to say you are flying to New York as opposed to New Jersey matters. Even in the US, but especially abroad, flying into JFK is important from a marketing perspective.

It’s not just Long Island. JFK is closer to Brooklyn and Queens (each of which have a lot more people than Manhattan) and the wealthy suburbs in Westchester and Fairfield Counties in NY and CT, respectively, and even New Haven. Even some parts of Manhattan, like the Upper East Side, are equidistant if not closer to JFK.

So while EWR might be better for people coming to New York from New Zealand, who presumably mostly want to go to Manhattan, JFK is better for a lot more people who want to go to New Zealand from the New York area. The thing is a lot of the people coming to New York might not realize EWR is closer to most of Manhattan and from a marketing perspective people want to fly to “New York” not “New Jersey.”

They're gaining gaining Long Island, but losing New Jersey. I think 6 = 1/2 dozen here.

Well, loooooots of people live in NJ. I'm not so sure that more people live in Long Island, Westchester, and Fairfield, than in NJ.

Regarding connectivity: even if your destination is a city also served from SFO or LAX (e.g. BOS), there is still a big advantage to spending 16 hrs in a flat bed and 45 mins in a domestic seat, compared to 6 hours in one.

New Jersey has 8 million people, Long Island has 8 million. there isn't too much difference - unless you also count Westchester (1m) and Fairfield (950k).

I flew ANZ in that J seat. The one I flew you had to stand up and flip the back of the seat forward to make it into a bed. I didn't like that concept.

I would burn every one of my Amex points to fly this route. Truly can't wait.

Air New Zealand doesn’t have first class

I know a ton of people live in NJ, but the other suburbs, when combined with Brooklyn and Queens, which are a lot bigger than Manhattan, give JFK definitely has a bigger catchment area than EWR locally. Also NZ flies to ORD, which is maybe an hour to an hour and a half further away from Boston than EWR/JFK by plane.

When will you all stop using the term “direct” for non stop flights !!! As far as NZ is concerned I e flown them many times and the soft product is fantastic but those seats in business - no way ! and especially on their new “ flagship route” - and teaming up with the worst carrier out of Newark - having just travelled with them from SYD to LA - return -I would never fly them again it was like lying on the floor at a McDonalds - and it was business - Polaris !! Pffft and the rudest crews ever

Could be resolved by having it as "New York-Newark" in the search engine. Do most people outside the US really even know Newark?

True about the rich suburbs like Westchester, but as for the NYC boroughs, I feel like Manhattan's demand for this would greatly outpace Queens and Brooklyn, especially Queens. Even then, most people would probably be willing to travel a little longer for a direct to NZ than not. I am just surprised I guess they didn't do EWR for the UA connections but I assume they did the analysis on it and decided JFK is better.

Agree witk Steven E regarging those Business seats! Who wants to sit in sardine-in-a-tin formation for 16+ hours with zero privacy and room to move? Won't be me, that's for sure! Any one with mobility issues are virtually trapped in those ridiculous seats.
Whoever ticked off that seat design should be fired, if they haven't alreadt moved on.

Sorry, Newark would have made far more sense. Getting from JFK to anywhere in NYC is another 1 hour minimum - airlines had the “JFK superiority “ attitude 30 years back, but that changed dramatically with many airlines adding Newark to their routes. I wonder why the folks of Air NZ had this thinking - after all, t airlines classify the flights at New York -Newark, instead of Nee York -JFK.

@Willem

Yes. Sad when a pile like JFK is considered "prestigious". My best friend still occasionally jokes about a text I sent the first time I landed at JFK circa. 2013 and was waiting for a cab - "JFK IS WORSE THAN THIRD WORLD AIRPORTS!" - I forgot that message, but he vividly remembers because it woke him at 3am. As the old saying goes "First impressions are usually correct". JFK is changing a little, but still lags far behind the prestigious city it serves.

@Lucky,

I fail to see how you consider that "the flight is well-timed" for connections in both directions? Clearly, with a 7:55-8:00pm arrival time into JFK, passengers will need to collect luggage and clear international US Customs and Immigration at JFK. I would estimate that at up to .a good one and a half hours on average. factoring in MCT. That would put your *first* connection opportunity at 9:30pm, provided there is a scheduled connection available at that time. Any delay on the 8:00pm arrival time would only accentuate this point further.

As mentioned, UAL (NZ's Star partner) operates effectively nothing out of JFK. So, if you need to transfer to LGA or EWR for domestic connections, I would be choosing to overnight in NYC, particularly after a 16.5hr flight.

I mean... Some people will be flying I'm coach and THAT will be tough on such a long route.

Seat config in the post still isn't quite right. There are 215 economy seats, not 202. A Skycouch is made up of three economy seats (not one) - but these are already counted in the 215 seats.

Air NZ Business class seats are all wrong - they should be facing towards the window and not towards the
aisle. Having travelled on the B777 in Business class I found it very intrusive and being rather tall my feet hung over the end of the seat thus in the way of the crew and the other passengers walking past. Sorry but would not select that product again.

Fair Point in the Terminal where NZ will likely fly in at JFK... there are newer terminals at JFK. ANZ just won't be flying to them or landing at them. but it's a product of their partners and basically zero meaningful domestic US3 presence of Star at JFK unlike SkyTeam and Oneworld. #staralliance

If Newark is your star performer in the New York area, let me tell you about a state called New Jersey and your glamorous journey from Newark to Manhattan via train or car. It might be the saddest trip of post-industrial life you'll ever experience. There's a reason so much of that ride is on elevated roadways so you see as little of new jersey and abandoned warehouses as possible.

These people in NZ been lock up for too long, don’t think this will get off the ground as the airline got problems with 787 paint, don’t have enough equipment to cover their existing routes trying to cover the world with hand few of 787s, NZ govt now rules the airline with bailouts they are broke, fares will have to be 3 times more than a connecting flight thru California.

This flight will mostly be filled by New York area people going to and from Australia. Air New Zealand offers great easy connectivity at Auckland to all the big Australian cities. Air New Zealand will aggressively chase that traffic.

Re: why JFK and not EWR: This could be because AZ will fly 3X/week to ORD, 3X/week to JFK, and route UA connecting traffic thru ORD. Chicago is much better for connecting traffic geographically anyways. Asian airlines (NH, JL, OZ, KE and others), do this already.

Just one more comment... NYC is an O&D market, pure and simple. It has too much premium traffic (and too much pax traffic in general!) for int'l airlines to route connecting pax. I speak as someone who (1) lived f/t in NYC and still flies int'lly thru NYC frequently and (2) worked in the airline co-brand industry and few years ago heard Doug Parker speak at an analyst meeting about PHL/CLT/JFK as 3 AA hubs serving different purposes: JFK is premium and for O&D traffic while PHL/CLT are their East Coast hubs for connecting traffic to Europe.

This!

Air NZ have announced that at about the same time they will resume non-stops to ORD and IAH. As others have said, they fly non-stop to AKL from several Australian cities, a connection to those US flights will be attractive, as would a one or two day stop-over in AKL.

I mean the E swings around via Midtown East over to 8th Ave, so no matter the side of Manhattan, I think JFK is always the better bet. By car or rail, tunnel shenanigans on the Hudson crossings are always an X factor I wouldn't want to deal with.

Anyways, with so few workers in offices these days, getting from JFK to Midtown by cab isn't bad at all. I did it in about 35 minutes around 6:30pm a couple weeks ago. The Van Wyck is the biggest slowdown but that's always the case, even late at night.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I can confirm that “prestige” and “New York airports” don’t go in the same sentence! And airlines don’t choose routes based on some oblique prestige. It would certainly appear that Newark should have been the choice, based on the United connection. But, who knows, maybe the available time slots or gate space at Newark weren’t optimal.

Who on earth (presumably someone in ANZ's marketing department) thought that using a fisheye lens photo of the business cabin would be a good idea to show off the product?
Dreadful.

This makes a lot of sense. Pretty much any point in the US aside from New England would be a backtrack from NYC. Which means it makes much more sense to route connecting pax through ORD / IAH / LAX.

But I'm still curious why not EWR... I've recently moved to Manhattan, and it seems that it's quicker to EWR vs JFK from the UWS, and probably no more than an extra 10 minutes if going from the UES. I get that JFK has the historical pedigree and cachet of once being the nation's premier international gateway. But EWR is equally convenient to Manhattan. And quite frankly, both airports are kinda dumpy at this point so I really don't get this fascination with JFK over EWR. Ironically, after the new renovation, LGA looks fantastic compared to the other 2 airports.

Viz. LGA/JFK/EWR, a few hours ago I was reflecting on how corrupt NY politics is. Why? Because there is no rail loop between the three airports. Wouldn't it make sense to connect them? Of course it would! My understanding is the reason there is no rail loop is that taxi drivers would lose their livelihood.

Ben is correct: JFK is THE prestige destination for foreign travelers arriving in the New York area. Yes, WE know it's heroically dysfunctional. But to many non-Yanks, arriving at JFK is on par with saying you've visited the Statue of Liberty.

You bet QANTAS will be watching this closely, because ANZ's doing their hard market research for them. They'll base the decision about when and even if to go ahead with Project Sunrise after AUK - JFK's been up and running for awhile.

Almost makes it look like chicken coups in there!

JFK now has an airtrain, which is quite economical and efficient.

For this reason, I would prefer to fly into JFK.