For the first time in over 30 years, Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) will fly to JFK… and I find that to be a bit surprising?
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Wonder what the lounge access at T7 will be for SK customers. If AS is moving to T8 in March 2023, then presumably that lounge will close. The BA Lounge at T7 may be converted to some outsourced third party provider as T7 will remain open for some time.
DL restarted JFK-CPH last summer and did well esp. when SAS was on strike.
They have it reloaded for next year. SAS has no choice but to try to cut DL off. DL has far more feed at JFK than SK has at CPH so this will be an interesting route to watch.
I don’t think it’s weird. With a small aircraft, they don’t need feed. And most New Yorkers don’t see Newark as a good substitute for JFK, as United has realized. And Newark is super inconvenient for people from Brooklyn/Queens/Long Island.
Alaska Airlines is famous for one flight a day to an airport from Seattle. They know how to make it work and it's a mainline jet. For example, Seattle-San Antonio.
Maybe some Airlines DO think ahead of time . . . EWR not NYC!!!
In all global reservation Systems, EWR is thankfully NOT be considered NYC anymore! So if somebody on the web or on any of the many flight booking engines on those internet sites, will search for flights NYC - CPH . . .
EWR will NOT be displayed anymore!
Makes sense, as it has NEVER been NY to begin with.
In the future, those people have to specifically search for EWR departure or arrival, while NYC still listst LGA as well as JFK as NYC citycode!
JFK is and will always be, the better choice fro those trying to get anywhere in NY, while Tunnels, Bridges and other charges to get to NYC from EWR as well as the traffic at rush hours is crazy!
Flat rate to Manhattan from JFK, compared to expensive charges from EWR is just a logic move i think.
CPH-JFK makes absolutelly sense to me, especially in the summer season.
NYC City Code:
Due to new standards being imposed by the International Air Transport Association (IATA), Newark-Liberty will no longer be considered a New York City airport starting on October 3.
Not true. The change means they can file separate fares, but EWR flights will still show up when you search for NYC.
Depending on time of day, EWR can be quicker to reach from parts of Manhattan and Staten Island by car. By train from Penn Station, EWR and JFK take pretty much same amount of time to reach.
The comment above about EWR being removed from NYC is not true. That has been debunked in multiple places. It to do with fares, not schedules and searches. See here:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/iata-ewr-airport-code-nyc/amp/
Get it that you have an issue with EWR which is your personal deal but for many of us who live in Manhattan, we do not care between EWR and JFK - all about schedule and fare.
Totally depends on where in Manhattan you are going. There's also a huge caveat to your point - you have to deal with/experience Penn Station...
It doesn’t need connectivity at jfk. It can operate the flight completely based on nyc area demand. This flight feeds the Copenhagen hub with New York passengers. Just like spokes feed hubs in every other hub and spoke system. Not odd in the slightest. There are many people in certain parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn, queens, Long Island, westcHester county, and Connecticut (millions!!) for whom newark isn’t convenient. I don’t think it should be hard to find out of these millions of people 159-260 a day to fill a plane. Why is that odd?
There are lots of other Star Alliance carriers that fly into JFK without the connection options you mention as a problem for SAS. ♂️
There are people that might prefer JFK like those of us out of CT. It’s not just people from Manhattan and LI that use the area airports.
SAS has extra aircraft available for long haul as its China and Japan business is still on hold.
US business is up for SAS, and by adding JFK it can use underutilized aircraft. Plus EWR is overcrowded and slots likely not available.
I live in Manhattan and fly out of EWR from time to time. EWR works in theory, but things go wrong more often than they are at JFK. All it takes is bad traffic west of Hudson and rail problems on the only train route to make me hate choosing EWR.
False. And have fun cheering for your beloved NEW YORK Jets/Giants from….guess where….NJ!
Not a great example. AS cut San Antonio recently. But yes Alaska makes this work to a bunch of cities. And as a SEA resident I love the convenience!
It's J F K.
The timing suggests feed from their home base, plus its an A321.
Also it's 30 years later.
Honestly. NYC, London, Tokyo, Los Angeles, and many other mega-cities flights can exist on O&D. JFK was always based upon O&D until B6 turned it into a hub, and DL had no choice.
Wow! It never occurred to me that SAS never flew to JFK for three decades. I remember trying to figure out what terminal at JFK they flew out of.
Great idea , that is an busy Icelander's competition and we all count on low prices !
As said before, it is apparently because of slot availability. SAS needs to use the aircraft for something while PEK, HND and PVG(partly) are on hold
Interesting. I hope that maybe Scandinavian will resume flying from JFK to Stockholm and Oslo.
I live downtown and if I’m going by car I’d rather fly out of EWR every day of the week.
The two airports are not substitutes. Loads of people live in NJ and would never fly from JFK. Likewise millions live in Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island, and would never fly from EWR if given a choice. The only people for whom they are substitutes are those who live in Manhattan. NYC metro has a population of nearly 20 million, and only 1.6 million live in Manhattan. For the remaining 18 million people, the airports are not substitutes.
I don't see why you think it is so weird. Asia is still not fully reopened, plus, Scandinavia is not well located for the closure of Russian airspace. So it makes sense to test out this route to see if they can make it work. They don't need connection traffic at NYC because that is the destination for many people. People connecting can go on the EWR flights, but CPH is a very big hub, so people can change there from all over Europe and the world. Maybe it won't work out long term and they pull out, but they have extra planes to play around with, so why not?
"Makes sense, as it has NEVER been NY to begin with"
No one ever said it was. But it is NYC, which like several other metros (e.g. CHI, WAS, CVG, MCI, etc) spans multiple states.
"JFK was always based upon O&D until B6 turned it into a hub, and DL had no choice."
Commonly expressed, but not exactly true. JFK, while generating enormous O&D, has long since had a significant transfer component, since well back into the PanAm days.
One reason it's not readily reflected, is that many were and are multi-ticket, thus mimicking O&D.
They arrive fairly early. JFK isn't anywhere near as congested in the morning/early afternoon as it is during the early evening rushes.
Newark airport is a toilet. I’m sure SAS want out before the lame and disgusting port authority tear it down
It's not weird. Newark is primarily not for New York people and most people flying into Newark are connecting particularly on Star Alliance carriers so they probably realized they have enough New York local demand to cover JFK. Plus the flight fares can be different. It is considered a different airport. If you wanted to change the ticket it is NYC in the search but not NYC to change.
You don't understand since this is a superficial analysis by an enthusiast, not a credible aviation industry professional.
To quote yourself.. "some airlines view the two airports as substitutes, some don’t, and some can’t seem to decide.".
Insert passengers for airlines and you have your answer.
Prepare to see lots more A321LR across the Atlantic. Isn't that why they built them?