Frontier Airlines Mandates Employee Vaccination, Sort Of

Queue the armchair lawyers who say this is illegal, against HIPAA, the vaccines aren't fully approved yet, etc.

GMAFB. Good for these airlines. If employees quit and the airlines suffer, oh well. That's capitalism.

Legality, it's going to be a long fight since dozens of these will soon pop up.

I do agree with Frontiers' method of circumventing this as few others have used this approach too.
You keep penetrating their noses until they quit or get a shot.

I recently talked to someone who claimed to have his nosed swab for almost 100 times since last year and he's had enough of it. (but doesn't quit yet haha)

No, it’s not a real question. It’s talking points from the anti-vax echo chamber.

You’re either an idiot, or cynically parroting the echo chamber. Either way, you’re not looking for an “answer”.

1. Vaccinated people are much less likely to get COVID. Therefore less likely to spread COVID. That should be enough. But if that is not enough...
2. Vaccinated people are much less like to go the hospital with COVID, using valuable resources that can be used elsewhere. But if that is not enough...
3. Vaccinated people that go to the hospital spend on average 1-2 days in the hospital while unvaccinated people spend 5 or more days. But if that is not enough...

If that is not enough...
90% of all cases are unvaccinated people.
95% of all ICU cases are unvaccinated people.
99% of all COVID deaths are unvaccinated people.

Will these percentages change over time? Sure but they will stay very high.

If that does not answer your question/convince you, nothing will.

This is a decent approach from Frontier!

Let's see what happens in the world once the Epsilom, Lambda, many others (monthly new ones arrive from the source) all the way up to Omega "variants" take hold.

Let's see how many on here will see their penny drop as to what's really underway, or will do they just keep arguing against their fellow humans, and humanity as a whole. Look up!

You've all seen nothing yet...and are not focusing on being decent. Be decent, be kind...even when others have a vastly different opinion. It's hard for some (yes we all fail from time to time) and yet for others, battering down others is a full time sport with the name calling. Sad!

There is no going back to normal. Never happening, it actually can't - completely impossible, and when that penny drops it will be understood.

In the meantime, at least one airline is acting decent for now 🙂

In case you’re interested in a real answer as to why it’s good to require vaccination for COVID, especially given the more fit delta variant (people have 1000x the viral load compared to the earlier variants):

Unvaccinated people are 5-8x more likely to become infected and 25x more likely to be hospitalized. And 24x more likely to die if unvaccinated.

If you are vaccinated and infected, your likelihood of symptomatic infection is much lower, meaning lower viral load, and much less chance of spreading to others.

If you’re unvaccinated, you are not only much more likely to get infected if exposed, but much more likely to spread, much more likely to be hospitalized and much more likely to die. That’s all bad for passengers unvaccinated employees are interacting with and very inconvenient for the airline if employees get hospitalized or die.

Also, it’s bad for people to die from something preventable.

The relative risk of any serious issues from COVID vs the vaccine is like 10,000x higher for COVID. Not to mention higher chance of long COVID symptoms.

It’s about minimizing risk, not eliminating risk, and vaccines do just that, they were never expected to provide some sort of 100% force field protection. It’s kind of amazing how good they are at preventing symptoms completely not to mention preventing hospitalization or death.

There was a big push-back against NO SMOKING but it has now become LAW in the AIR.

This is much more important to the health and safety of every employee and passenger.

Apply the same logic as smoking is bad for your health, but recognize being un-vaccinated is FATAL to your health, and this is a no-brainer.

Thanks United and Frontier

Who cares. When they removing the mask requirement on planes? Oh wait, never.

To Regina: Breakthrough infections of vaccinated people are at the moment only 1%. 99% will not get infected and therefore will not risk shedding the virus to others. As of today's studies, if others are vaccinated, the risk of re-infection from a vaccinated person is almost nothing. It's worth the shot.

To Jay: HIPAA has nothing to do with this. HIPAA only applies to covered entities and an airlines is not.

I'm going to say the infections of vaccinated people are way underreported.
But because the vaccines are effective in reducing the effects of the virus, many vaccinated who were infected might not even be aware of having it. Hence these cases go unreported.

So, it's not a requirement. It's a choice of vaccination or showing the COVID tests many times.