I know Starbucks stores usually have pretty generous policies in terms of how long customers can linger around for, but this seems like a bit much, no…?
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Given that Asiana's days are numbered, the real question is what Korean's policy is for this type of activity.
"I mean, what is this, South Korea or Miami?!"
If it were Miami, the bags would most likely be gone by the time they came back
This is the epitome of Korea. Rules that don’t make sense (in some contexts), citizens who follow the rules no matter what, but who are also too respective of authority to question/challenge. Results in a bureaucratic state where no one can just figure something out and take care of it.
The State Department’s policy banning visitors from carrying phones and bags in overseas facilities is just as stupid as what this flight crew did. There’s virtually no other federal agency that takes such a hard line on visitors and I can’t think of a single foreign mission in DC that has a similar policy. Dealing with this policy is a real pain for constituents seeking consular services, and being without a phone can pose its own safety risks in some parts of the world.
S.Koreans are often just as rude as Chinese Mainlanders, especially the rural bunch from these 2 countries. It's widely known in East Asian circles that South Koreans are just mainlanders speaking a different language (loud, cutting in lines, lacking in manners and generally don't know how to handle themselves in public).
K-drama isn't reality.
Koreans do not put hand-held bags or backpacks on the floor, nor sit without any cover on the floor, thinking floor is dirty. So the bags have to be on chairs or tables, meaning they cannot be put on the side or the store. Also it’s acceptable to order one drink between two people in Korea. And Asiana would have such weird rule (bag with uniform) to avoid FAs walk with stuffs on hands or weird small bags because that would look awful. Still whole thing doesn’t make sense but I can see where it’s coming.
in France, leave your bag unattended for 30 seconds in a Starbucks or any other place and don't ever see it again >_<
Woah, easy there with the xenophobia and prejudice. Individual misbehavior is not appropriate to extend to larger groups. I may have issues with their government’s policies, but, friends, there are ample decent people, even in mainland China (and Korea, and everywhere). Be better, Dave.
What is going on with this thread? Yeesh. I’ve lived in SoFla, and frequented MIA; it’s no more or less a hotspot for theft than anywhere else. The hate and bigotry in here is just silly.
Aren’t they technically already one company, but the transition to one brand is taking until 2027? What’s SkyTeam/Delta’s policy? Have codeshares already begun with the Asiana routes? Do we earn SkyMiles or… still Star Alliance until official?
Dave: "are often just as rude as ..."
1990: " are ample decent people, even in "
How did Dave contradict "1990"???
1990: "Be better, Dave."
Kishore: "Be better, '1990'."
Asiana is still an operating company owned by Hanjin, the parent company of Korean.
All of the operating policies of each carrier remain for now.
I do not believe that KE can put its code on Asiana's routes until DL can match the extra capacity with new DL metal service.
I suspect that the original KE/OZ integration date was supposed to coincide with the arrival of the 35K at DL but, since those have been pushed back into 2027, the "new" KE/OZ integration date appears to match w/ the arrival of DL's 35Ks.
Given that DL is supposed to receive 8 35Ks in 2027 and 12 in 2028, there should be a lot of new DL routes - and the metric is now a global measure - not just for the Pacific. depending on when they are received, 8 35Ks could support up to 6 new flights/day and 12 up to 18 but those numbers will certainly be offset by some 767 retirements.
Not xenophobic, being loud and cutting in line is just a fact, and it's not like other educated Chinese people don't agree. You can say it’s culturally appropriate to their own countries so it’s not rude, but cultural relativism brings about some pretty absurd conclusions that most wouldn’t agree with.
I'm not saying all Chinese or Koreans are like this, because there are plenty of (even a majority, especially amongst those who travel internationally) who are not; they are well-mannered, articulate and kind. But when I hear loud shouting or witness line cutting behaviour in Asia, it's almost always someone with a mainland Mandarin accent, or speaking Korean.
Don’t travel much, do you? Never ever met loud Indian, Russian, Israeli, Viet, etc?
I know at least two foreign consulates in the US that don't allow bags or phones. They have lockers in the lobbies.
Okay, so? It's an airport... I always see bags around. People complain too easily.
So let me get this straight. Making a light joke about an accent is now racist?
I sadly have to agree with Dave on this. South Korea, especially the rural towns was the first area I visited and felt people were quite rude. YMMV but that was my experience
Yep . Perfectly acceptable for the airline to work something out with the shop . No one is adversely affected .
Where did you see hate and bigotry in my comment? It's not an opinion, it's a fact, but not out of spite or anything.
For what it's worth, I have been living in Munich for most of my life, yet I would also say that the chances of bags being stolen here in that context are also significantly higher than in Seoul/SK. F
@Eskimo did you read the article fully? It's not at an airport, but a location by a busy square downtown near the US embassy. Not the same thing.
"it’s reported that flight attendants have to attend interviews in their uniforms, and airline regulations require flight attendants to carry luggage as part of their uniforms even when not flying"
If they are so pedantic with these rules, doesn't leaving your luggage behind in a Starbucks and walking to another building already defeat the purpose of carrying luggage while wearing their uniform?
They also do not offer lockers, requesting people to mail in and out their passports. Absolutely a waste of time and money. There are too many strange things going on for the U.S..
Asiana is still running separately from Korean Air, and the management is doing their best to cut the cost by cutting the benefits until the merger's finalized.. That's why they suspended the bus to the embassy, and they even suspended the shuttle bus for their employees at ICN airport parking.
The management treat the employees so poorly, then they behave poorly. I'm pretty sure the management will not support the bag storage. They'll just tell the crews to store them at their own expenses.
Well it's not a very original joke. I think my Dad was making it in the 1980s. It was dodgy then and its dodgy now and yes it can give the impression you're racist if this is what you immediately jump to posting. But you have free will, you do you.
passport centers in the US have no big bag rules and go thru xray of bags and detectors also open purses or small bags.
IN ALL BIG AIRPORTS AND IN ALL BIG RAILWAY STATIONS IN INDIA
THERE ARE FACILITIES FOR CREW AND COMMON MEN TO LEAVE
THEIR LUGGAGES AND HANDBAGS IN THE CUSTODY OF LUGGAGE
STORAGE ROOM S FOR WHICH THEY LEVY NOMINAL CHARGES
FOR EACH BAGGAGE THEY GIVE TOKEN WHICH YOU HAVE TO SURRENDER
AT THE TIME OF PICK UP THIS FACILITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
AVAILABLE IN SEOUL THIS IS THE BEST REMEDIAL ACTION
@ Eskimo; I am! Ben Holz is completly right! Besides, even in an Airport you shouldn"t do that! Go back to your iglo.
The manager should have called the police to report that a large number of bags had been left unattended in a Starbucks located close to the Embassy of the United States. I guarantee that every copper on duty in the Seoul metropolitan area would have been there within ten minutes.
This was not my experience travelling in the Republic of Korea, and it’s not my experience when meeting Koreans in Australia.
Is that Dave “banned from LALF” Edwards?
This isn't about a domestic government office in DC but a diplomatic mission overseas. Plenty of U.S. Embassies and consulates have been bombed in the past with A LOT of casualties, they are a prime target for terrorists so no, it's a perfectly sensible rule.
@Stefan,
Embassies and consulates are not the only places that face those sorts of concerns, and other places that face those concerns have figured out a less cumbersome solution.