In 2017, Lufthansa announced plans to introduce a new long haul business class product. This product has been delayed considerably — nearly seven years later, not a single jet is in service with these seats yet.
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A product more contemporary to 2016, and with unbelievable inconsistency.
I have to believe that the only reason that LH persisted with this program despite the delays and the obviously both inefficient and inconsistent seating pattern is because they got a great deal on the product from the manufacturer - and for that reason the cabin just looks cheap to me. Who wants to book a J ticket on a product where the passenger value prop is "Polaris but pay extra for the only good seats"?
The hype is gone for these seats. Many new and better products are rolling out every year.
LH should've just swallowed their pride and gone w/ one of the popular standard options and that would've saved them from this embarassing product.
LH are going to continue to lag behind industry standards if they stick to their guns like this.
I believe the complex layout was chosen on purpose to create as many possibilities to up-charge as possible. With a standard reverse herringbone configuration all seats a nearly the same. Hence there would be less desire for a traveler to pay for a premium seat.
Totally half arsed approach. So on the 747 they'll fit 1-2-1 on the lower deck and keep 2-2 (without doors) on the upper deck ???
I'll be curious to see how they price that...
Like the article said, LH continues to be both clueless and uncompetitive in 2024.
Yeah except consider the fact it's been 7 years since they announced this product.
I'm pretty sure 7 years of revenue vs the marginal upcharge that this Allegris configuration will provide is not even comparable.
Super happy most of the seats won't have doors. Asside from the first row of suites, that privacy suite looks to be the best seat. The middle single seats look tight. The alternating access is confusing.
This split in business products between 747 upper and lower can‘t be true. Is there any reliable source for that?
Notwithstanding the overall disaster of this seat rollout and the laughing stock that Skytrax has become, I think your criticism of the number of seat types is perhaps a little unfair Lucky.
If we take the front-row product aside for a minute as this is something other airlines are doing - assuming it’s a significant up-charge and not free for elites.
That leaves 6 seat types. Let’s have a look at the current seating options on a BA 787-9:
- Window (x8)
- Aisle (x22)
- Middle ‘throne’ (x4)
- Window direct aisle access (x4)
- Throne direct aisle access (x2)
- Bassinet (x2)
It’s all open to interpretation, you could not split out the throne direct aisle access seats - but equally you could treat aisle seats on the window sides differently as if you’re travelling as a couple you’re usually looking for a pair of those seats (which can be hard to find together if one of each pair is taken).
I think Lufthansa here, rightly or wrongly, are marketing and highlighting the differences between seats here more than before - with the base proposition being fundamentally similar but with more add-on variance.
A better way to think of it is two fold: how many of the different types of seats would a passenger in each category be happy with (business traveller, couple, family/infant) and would the choice between those be a small matter of comfort/functionality or a dealbreaker; and how difficult would this be in the event of aircraft changes/irrops.
In both cases I’m not sure I’d agree the situation is significantly worse than BA’s old club world?
Unless it is not featured in the cabin overview picture, I fail to see how the last row are "double sleeping seats". They look like any other center row with two seats, and it certainly doesn't look like it can create a double bed a la Singapore's new A380's or Qsuites, which is what I assume they mean by double sleeping space.
Good Post. hype is gone for these seats. Many new and better products are rolling out every year. LH should've just swallowed their pride and gone w/ one of the popular standard options and that would've saved them from this embarassing product. LH are going to continue to lag behind industry standards if they stick to their guns like this.
According to LH, the middle console in the last row can be lowered, which creates the double bed.
The difference though is BA's old yin-yang Club World was first launched in 2000. It's faintly ridiculous that an entirely new product launch a quarter-century later still follows this format instead of the industry standard 50% window / 50% centre.