Frontier Ups Bid For Spirit, Fends Off JetBlue

Why can't all three merge and call it day? JetBlue is so pressed to merge, I feel bad for them.

JetBlue should better merge with Alaska.

Where as all this energy from JetBlue when Virgin America was on the table?

They could have gone on to build a significant hub in one of the most lucrative markets in the country (SFO) with a backup hub at LAX (like everyone else has) and it would've completely changed the dynamic of their east coast centric ops.

Granted, they'd still then need to discover that the Midwest exists... but still.

Tell me one reason why anyone would deny b6 and NK to merge. All other major airlines got to merge and they are much bigger players. They closed hubs , decreased service. JetBlue and Spirit would combine for less then 9% market share. We all know Frontier and Spirit are led by Indigo. A scummy company. This would hurt JetBlue and the consumer very badly if we let them destroy this. Nothing is worse then Ted Christie. For pilots and customers alike. A huge Spirit is very bad. You can say goodbye to JetBlue at FLL if this happens. Spirit and Frontier will kick out mid priced competition then raise prices.

As a consumer you want NK and F9 ? Mark my word if Jetblue does not get Spirit... you won't be flying on JetBlue for much longer.

As for me, I’m against the JetBlue idea because I don’t want to be stuck with Spirit-level passengers on my JetBlue flights.

There’s a reason the internet has a “People of Walmart” meme but not a “People of Target” meme, if you catch my drift.

I personally don’t like the idea of JetBlue and Spirit merging too.

But I don’t think your example of Walmart and Target is fair. Whenever I live in US, I normally shop from Whole Foods, Jewel Osco or Trader Joe but when I need very large stacks of some common food, I go to Walmart and when I need bunch of water bottles or some diet cola, i go to Target. Both exactly feel the same to me.

Yeah I do JamesW
Your well aware too I C.

Not great at critical thinking are you?

Jet Blue wants to buy Spirit for its planes, pilots and slots. They’ll effectively shut it down and turn it all into Jet Blue.

Nothing about that plan is going to put “Spirit-level” passengers on Jet Blue.

If you’re going to play an elitist on the internet, don’t be an idiot too.

JetBlue and Spirit merger would be excellent for JetBlue which is the most poorly managed airlines in the industry.

This vote comes down to the institutional owners who have greatest voting power (vanguard, state street). JetBlue would remove thousands of seats from the market daily if the merger is approved. Devastating for competition.

Frontier and spirit will be most beneficial to consumers.

Spirit and frontier is on bullcrap is only beneficial to them not the consumers We still will have to pay for a carry on that’s why I don’t do either airline.I rather go on a airline where you get a free carry on last time I rode frontier airlines I was charged $ one hundred dollars for carryons I decided to have luggage checked the agency charged me sixtynine more dollars. Which after I got home I called corporate they gave me the $69dollars back my opinion they are thieves

Spirit is building a new corporate headquarters in Fort Lauderdale (actually Dania Beach) just below the airport - next to the new Marriott FLL Airport, in the new Dania Point shopping complex. I wonder want will happen to that.

JetBlue has offices in the Fort Lauderdale area too.

I think the reasoning is that spirit and frontier don't compete much head to head in individual markets, as Spirit is primarily east coast and frontier western us. JetBlue competes more head to head against Spirit. So I agree that the frontier/spirit merger is more likely to be approved.

I don't understand what you mean by a JetBlue Spirit merger would 'remove thousands of seats from the market daily'. Would you help me grasp what you mean?

If JetBlue would retrofit the spirit aircraft, available seats in the market would instantly decrease.

JetBlue a320 seats 162. Spirit seats 186. That’s a net decrease of 24 seats per flight. Thus a JetBlue merger would literally mean less seats in a market.

I think this started out as a cheap way for JetBlue to obtain pilots and planes but at this point the financials are not making sense from JetBlue's perspective. I think at this point JetBlue is bidding up the price so that Frontier would be put in pretty bad financial situation after the merger.

I think JetBlue cares more about Spirit’s aircraft than people realize. They both fly airbus 320s and JetBlue’s fleet is old. By acquiring spirit they’re upgrading there fleet significantly in the process and instantly, instead of waiting years for new planes to arrive. This would cut their operating costs significantly given the current environment.

Frontier is also an airbus customer, us a relatively new fleet so that’s not a huge focus. There’s an argument to be made that because frontier and spirit are bother ultra low cost model, them merging is actually more impactful than a JetBlue/Spirit.

The suggestion for JetBlue and Alaska to merge would seem logical in terms of business model but Alaska is working to move back to all Boeing and the Virgin merger hasn’t gone all that great.

Seriously. I so wish that had happened instead of VA getting swallowed by mom-and-pop, nice-but-crappy Alaska. I stuck with it for ~5 years, but I don't have to spend my own money for transnational biz class when traveling for work and Alaska's lack of a premium product (and even tearing out the better old VA seats) on premium routes eventually killed it for me once they started canceling flights just like the generics. I'm (unhappily) back to United starting this year. Definitely would have stuck with a B6/VA merged brand with Mint.

On this deal -- I sort of couldn't care less. But on a short flight (e.g., OAK-LAS), Spirit with a ~$30 upcharge for the "big front seat" is a good deal, even with a carry-on. Frontier seems like the worst brand of them all.

So go with the higher JeBlue offer and collect the $350M if it does not go through, then go back to Frontier.

Stop saying JetBlue wants spirits’ aircraft and pilots. Y’all no nothing about this merge if that’s what you think it’s about. JetBlue wants spirit for one reason only and that’s the same reason why JetBlue wanted virgin american, and same reason why Alaska airline wanted and bought virgin American, To gain greater access to California. More specifically, LAX and SFO. The two hubs virgin America had. Period. Now spirit is not a perfect product either as they only fly to Los an angeles and Oakland instead of San Francisco but beggars can’t be choosers. But yah it’s got nothing to do with planes or pilots and I don’t think even Ben has realized this.

JetBlue wants spirit to access Los Angeles. Plain and simple. Just Look at the virgin American and Alaska airlines merge. And how JetBlue missed out on that.

Has nothing to do with planes and pilots and everything to do with California and Los Angeles.

JetBlue wants spirit for its slots and gates in Los Angeles not their planes.

That would be a downgrade to JetBlue

No way JetBlue will be operating “spirit airlines” under a different operation.

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this but out from jetblues POV. They want to acquire their planes, pilots, and airport slots. For JetBlue to buy new planes, hire/train pilots, and apply for airport slots will be a lot more costly than buying out an airline. So for jetblue fans who are afraid they’re losing the JetBlue touch, I wouldn’t worry too much.

Stop saying such nonsense.

Jet Blue can't hire pilots fast enough, or buy planes fast enough to grow the way it wants.

Yes, slots in some cities are part of the reason for the deal, but not at OAK, which isn't capacity controlled so there's no need to buy an airline to get more slots. And Spirit flies to all of 7 cities from OAK, hardly a giant position.

You really can't have that for a justification considering Spirit doesn't have a presents at SFO and minimal presents at LAX.

This is just armchair discussion.

Spirit sticks with its offer from Frontier. Rejects JetBlue

Looks like Zachs jumped the gun in reporting the Frontier offer was completed. Not sure if Zachs had inside information in reporting. So now back to July 8th.

Spirit and Frontier have minimal service to SFO so I don't see how that is a factor. As for LAX, Spirit is quite small there, and Frontier actually moved to BUR, which is dominated by Southwest and Avelo. No West Coast strategy at either airline right now.