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Park Hyatt Niseko: Amazing Ski Resort, Worth A Visit!

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Hello from Japan, as we’ve just wrapped up the first portion of our winter ski trip to Niseko. We spent five nights at the Park Hyatt Niseko, which is one of the points hotels that has most been on my radar. While I’ll have a full trip report soon, I want to share some initial…

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(@Novaca)
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The jet lag really takes the fun out of skiing in Japan for someone coming from the US. If you are used to eastern time, best to goto the western US and get an extra two hours


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(@David)
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Thank you for this review.


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(@Alinsfca)
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Interesting, I don’t usually get jet lag going to Asia from the west coast, but always get jet lags coming home from Asia or going to Europe. Lift tickets are $200 and up in the US. For that price you can get a lift ticket plus full rental (ski and clothing) in Japan.


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(@MarkG)
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Ben, would you go outside of skii season? See rates in the $200s mid year.


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(@Sel, D.)
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Meat any readers in the onsen?


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 Jiun
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You should try Hakuba instead of Niseko.


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Diamond
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In summer there is lots of great hiking opportunities in the area, you'd probably want a car to be able to a bit further afield. But worth a summer visit as well.


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@Ben

It is shoulder season for good reason. The snow is wet and heavy this time of year, not what Niseko is famous for. The fantastic powder snow is for much earlier in the season.

I am surprised you don't notice the industrial scale resort factory traits of the place. It is nice, but it is really centered around processing huge amounts of people in a smooth way. The onsen is nice (I see you broke the no cameras rule 🙂 naughty naughty), but it is really not big enough for the size of the hotel. Same for the sauna and other facilities.
Of course by paying for a residence with onsen, you kind of avoid that. I do miss the days when you could get the residences as a Globalist upgrade.

I do feel a bit that the "Hyatt will be forgiven almost anything" ethos colours this review.


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(@Chauney Donnerson)
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Niseko is awesome. The base was 37' when I was there. Locals carry umbrellas because it snows practically all the time.


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Agree, I get much less jet lag going to Asia than Europe. I only do the flights that get in at 3-9pm though, not the ones overnight that get in at 6am. Get in at 5pm, by the time I get to the hotel I am absolutely shattered (like fallen asleep in my shoes tired) and can fall asleep immediately for 10 hours and be feeling great the next AM.


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@ CPH-Flyer -- You're right that it's a massive resort, but I don't think that's a bad thing. It means there are lots of amenities on property, which is quite a contrast to the Ritz-Carlton Reserve (which I'll write about next).

You're probably right about the onsen, but since we had our own, we didn't use the public one. But beyond that, I thought the property was very well run for one of this size. For example, the gym was never full, the indoor pool was nearly empty every time I looked, etc.


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(@Tim Dumdum)
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If I am not mistaken, Niseko, and Hokkaido in general, got the snowiest December on the record in several decades, for example. The persistent La Nina could be the "culprit" for all this snow dump this winter.
I've heard the international popularity that Niseko gained is not all hanky-dory... Foreign skiers allegedly misbehave both on and off the slopes...
Also, local businesses complain they cannot compete with the wages tourism sector offers for such entry-level jobs like housekeeping against retirement home staff pay, for example


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(@Thomas)
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The reason rates drop off in March is because Jan-Feb is really the peak season for Niseko. Although there may have been tons of snow when you went, Jan-Feb is really when Niseko gets the best quality, consistent snowfalls.

Like your friend mentioned, the snow was wet and heavy. This isn't ideal for skiing, but some snow is better than nothing. You probably didn't mind since you aren't a big skier. Please don't take offense by that, it's just that avid skiers will know that the best snow is light and dry.


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Diamond
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I don't think the size is a bad thing as such. You just get a very industrial assembly line feel to all of the service delivery.

Sure they have more amenities than the Ritz, but e.g. the Ritz onsen is actually larger for a much smaller hotel. And nicer with the rotenburo looking out at the snow around you.

I found the service much more personal at the Ritz than at the PH. The PH did give a feeling of just being the next task on the assembly line. Where as the Ritz would always know us by name.


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 Jack
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It’s still not Zaborin


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(@innocentabroad)
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Another reason rates would drop off is likely that many Australians take much of January off, with people holidaying in February and early-mid March.

With the Yen so weak, Japan is one of the only affordable destinations - and Australians are just behind Americans in terms of Western visitors. It's also a similar time-zone, short (for Australians!) flight, accessible enough culture etc.


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 Nick
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A counterpoint-- while the PH Niseko looks fabulous and it is ski-in, ski-out to Hanazono, which is the best of the Niseko United resorts, it's also not in town. Hirafu is a blast, full of fun bars and great restaurants with real energy; if you value a ski vacation that is focused on that I would advise staying at one of the many luxury (but non-points) hotels there-- Setsui, Muwa (where we stayed), and Sansui are all great and have Michelin keys; Muwa is as ski in, ski out as the PH is and at a fraction of the price. Of course the Hirafu hotels are more skier focused rather than full service resorts and if you want a five star experience, you're better off at the Park Hyatt.

But from my perspective, one of the joys of skiing in Niseko is wandering around Hirafu village, grabbing street food, popping into izakayas (but best to reserve in advance!), and enjoying an apres that is much more joyous, casual and lowkey (probably the Aussie influence) than it is snobby (looking at you, Aspen/Vail/Deer Valley) or an EDM dance party (everywhere in Europe lol). We wanted to stay in town, and the Park Hyatt is unfortunately (or fortunately, if that's what you're looking for) a universe unto itself with nothing else around it.


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(@Adam W)
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Hey Ben,
Would it be possible to include star ratings on all of your reviews of this type? I’ve noticed that some of your reviews have them, and I find them really helpful—not just as a quick reference, but also as a way to gauge your perspective across different reviews.
I’ve been a loyal reader for many years now, and I just wanted to say thanks for all the great reviews over the years!
Looking forward to more.


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Diamond
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This just confirms a recent bias of mine that Park Hyatt is the brand to beat right now. Ritz Carlton, for example, has lost its way and has too many properties that are subpar with shockingly poor customer service. Whereas PH is almost always a superior experience for the money. Obviously there are more luxurious experiences (especially at more boutique hotels) but for the price point I think PH is the best right now.


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(@Daisy)
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By March, Niseko is already in the off-season. Most people visit for the fresh powder, but snowfall becomes less frequent, so conditions aren’t as ideal as in peak winter months. That said, there are some advantages—fewer crowds, shorter lift lines, and, as you mentioned,best of all, more reasonable prices. While you might not get the best snow of the season, you can still enjoy great runs, excellent food, and relaxing hot springs without the peak-season chaos.


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(@jallan)
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I think this is just a preview review - Ben's quick take while on the trip, which he often does. He usually publishes a complete trip report, with detailed reviews of each flight, lounge, and hotel, a few weeks later, and those have star ratings. For example the detailed reviews from his early February trip are currently going up on the site.


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 Mary
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Please NEVER EVER quote prices without taxes and fees. It's ethically unjustifiable and you're only helping to perpetrate the scam of lowering base rate and adding to the fee -- you're basically justifying the fees.

It should be an editorial policy to only quote amounts that correspond to what you actually have to pay (bottom line pricing, or net pricing). And you should fire yourself whenever you don't adhere to it! 🙂 🙂


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