Emirates has just placed another massive aircraft order, though what does that really even mean at this point? It’s a big day for Emirates, as the airline has also announced plans to introduce Starlink Wi-Fi.
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Probably because Boeing got a major breakthrough in certification. They just got approved for phase 3 of certification which is the biggest phase. That’s probably what is giving emirates confidence.
More information on the next phase
With this incremental order for 65 777-x, it seems like they will not order the A350-1000.
No, the A350-1000 is comparable to the 777-8, whose order may now be cancelled as it has been pushed back to mid-2030s.
This new order seems to be for encouraging Boeing to build the 777-10 in which Emirates is very interested.
Not an expert so interested to understand - first, why the obsession around what is seemingly a cursed plane ?
Second - given the demand and Boeings inability to deliver, how come we don’t hear of airbus developing a similar plane? The a350 is a lovely bird but not quite the size and range of the 777 if I understand correctly
The likelihood is that this massive 777X orderbook for EK will replace its 380s and 777-300ER/200LR fleet.
the real news is the potential development of the 777-10 and how much more range it will have compared to a simple stretch of the 777-9.
Also, Boeing appears to be walking away from the 777-8 given that EK has converted all of its orders to -9s. If so, then the 350-1000 will be the undisputed longest range new generation powered aircraft
@Maitreya
It looks like Emirates has officially converted all their 777-8 orders to the larger 777-9. So may be that leaves room for the A350-1000 in Emirates' fleet.
@Tim Dunn
It looks like Emirates has officially converted all their 777-8 orders to the larger 777-9.
While it would be nice to see a brand new 777 customer aside from LH, I hope we see some new 777X customers down the line rather than top-ups from existing customers.
But more orders are always nice regardless of who its from and the amount.
I will state what not many will venture to avoid. This order won't have happened with a weak President. I don't know the politics, but no one can deny he has a lot of countries trying to get on America's good side.
Still kissing Airbus butt, Timbits. Do you wait until Bastian gets finished, or do you dive right in?
There is no emotion in facts.
Airbus has stayed focused on its business while Boeing has made one strategic mistake after another.
You should honestly look at a few financial reports now and then.
Boeing took a $5 billion charge in the 3rd quarter because of further delays to the 777X which pushed its 3rd quarter and year to date losses from operations to about $5 billion - which is no different than what has previously happened to the MAX 7 and 10 and 787.
Boeing simply continues to burn the furniture in the hope of getting its products certified and delivered to its customers.
Airbus simply is not doing that as much as you want to believe otherwise.
He has been Boeing's top salesman because Boeing is the US largest exporter.
but the real reason for this order is exactly what Ben noted: EK wants the biggest airplanes available and that is the 777X right now, even if it is still delayed. The fact that the A380 has about a dozen years left before large numbers have to be retired means EK has to start ordering airplanes that are as close in capacity; EK wants a bigger 777-10.
lots of airlines are buying Boeing planes in order to help seal trade deals w/ the US but the ME3 and esp. EK are predominantly driving the 777X not unlike what happened with the A380
With all Boeing and GE's issues they still lead the wide body (WB) contest. Boeing has a 60% larger WB backlog than Airbus. The 787 outpaces the 350 by 57%. GE claims to power 75% of airline flights and has 55% of the WB engine backlog.
Delivered/Orders
777X: Zero/630
787: 1,229/1,048
TTL: 1,229/1,678
350: 682/765
330neo: 173/291
TTL: 855/1,056
TD says, "Boeing simply continues to burn the furniture in the hope of getting its products certified and delivered to its customers.'
Demonstrably incorrect. For Q3 2025 Boeing reported an operating cash flow of $1.1 billion and a positive free cash flow of $238 million.
what is your point now posting this for the 2nd time? Do you think this has anything to do with why EK placed their order?
Of course, it did not.
And if you take out the 777X orders that are for a plane that Boeing has yet to get certified, the two are on pretty equal footing.
actual deliveries mean much more and the 787 had a multi-year headstart on the A350 and 330NEO.
and, to repeat what was also said, Airbus leads in overall orders due to its much stronger narrowbody order book and Airbus is making money building commercial airplanes, something Boeing can only wish was the case for Boeing.
glad we have moved on to airframe manufacturers but you still someone think that cash flow supersedes profits.
Yes, Boeing is a financially weaker company than Airbus by a substantial margin.
Cash flow will increase as Boeing delivers airplanes but when you keep taking massive charges, the situation is at best one step forward and two steps back.
I want to see Boeing succeed and believe they are turning around 20 years of mismanagement that started with the 787 battery fires but I don't sugarcoat reality.
"the real news is the potential development of the 777-10"
There's no real news there.
It's just a feasibility study, something that Boeing was always eventually going to do (hence their not feeling the need to say a word about it) from the moment the 777X program launched. The answer can just as easily be "no justifiable business case."
Airbus did two of those for the A380 (stretch, and re-engine) in the middle and end of its production run, and nothing came of either.
Airlines aren't making 30yr purchase decisions based on the whims of one unstable moron at the helm of any country.
"While it would be nice to see a brand new 777 customer aside from LH,"
What major airline is left, other than Qantas, who's already made the replacement order for its A380s.
the interesting reaction is that these same facts were discussed on another article and yet you seemed to feel a need to repeat them.
Either you are here to argue or you can't stand to admit that Boeing does lead in widebodies but not overall airplane deliveries or backlog and Airbus makes money while Boeing continues to lose money doing so.
again, these are facts - all of them. anyone that understands them should have no problem having them ALL presented.
Airbus execs have said they are also considering a further stretch of their biggest jet, the A350-1000 at the request of a number of airlines.
Apparently there is demand for a 400 seat jet and Airbus and Boeing are going to stretch what they currently have to try to meet that market.
Since the 777X is already the largest jet in production - though not delivered - airlines are going for what is currently available.
* wouldn't have happened. sorry I had to correct it. might have to go back to English, ah hm... American, lessons.
obviously /s
Refined and updated with 65 more orders for 77X from Emirates and the data applies to this story. Amazingly, you are quite confused with opinions v facts. Typical.
there isn't a thing that I said that is opinion. It is all fact.
You just don't like to hear the big picture so you selectively omit the things you don't want anyone to know about or for you to admit.
The only saving grace is you do the same thing regardless of whether we are talking airlines or airframe manufacturers.
shall we take up the owners of the big restaurant chains?
Ignoring politics and simply going by 4 year cycles, these are the net number of 777X orders
2013-2016: 296 (66, 220, 10, 0)
2017-2020: 3 (20, 0, -17, 0)
2021-2024: 172 (11, 33, 100, 28)
2025-now: 149
I would venture that the order spread has more to do with development timelines and industry dynamics than politics.
V/F
Well there's always UPS who never had 777s in their colours and their 747Fs need replacing 😀
Boeing very well knows how much trouble they're in; late last week they shifted 33 more 777s to the ASC-606 accounting category, meaning that they are not confident that those 33 orders will be fulfilled. If conditions change, they can put those orders back on the the books, but for now, Boeing is further formally acknowledging their problems - which are exacerbated by the fact that some of the new 777s are already so old that certifications need to meet newer (stricter) standards, and some of them have spare parts that are past their certified life windows.
A terrible position to be in, even with the giant backlog they have for aircraft overall.
Nice to see the OMAAT audience being suppportive of Boeing once.
Thanks Tim Dunn for your sabotage.
Facts speak for themselves huh?
There’s no truth to that. Not yet anyway.
Boeing has not published the range specs.
When Boeing does publish the range, it’ll be a solid number rather than the max range of an empty airplane as Airbus does.
Delta has been miffed that the range isn’t really the range on their 350s.
just as Airbus has done and is doing with a POTENTIAL A350 stretch.
Any potential new model is good and big news... far bigger than several dozen new airplanes of a type a carrier already has on order.