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Delta Returns To London Gatwick After 15 Years

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Delta Air Lines has just operated a scheduled flight to London Gatwick for the first time in 15 years… will this service last?

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(@sharon)
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this is an interesting route add.

What is more fascinating is the glut of capacity in the US to London Market. The NYC market is pretty standard in terms of capacity, though other cities (LAX) have seen big increases in London service. Plus, a greater number of Non-Hubs (Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, New Orleans, Portland, Nashville) now all have service to London.

Is the demand really so robust through the US for all the demand to London?


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(@David)
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Keep in mind Norse is also flying LGW-JFK, so it’s BA, B6, Z0 and DL now competing on this route.


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Diamond
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In every respect this is a competitive addition
The question is not whether Delta can make money flying to Gatwick but whether JetBlue can make money flying to Europe at all.
Delta has a long run as the most profitable airline and across the Atlantic. The concept of consistently profitable narrow body transatlantic flights is far from proven


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(@Laurie)
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It's great to see other airline options at Gatwick. For years Heathrow has been the only option for trans Atlantic flights. I appreciate the chance to fly in and out of Gatwick as a choice and hope other airlines will follow suit.


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 DTL
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Having grown up where LHR/LGW were both within close reach for our international travels, I am so used to searching "LON" as the airport code. This includes all London airports, mostly all airline booking websites and OTAs know this code. Therefore for me booking any transatlantic service, LGW/LHR will be included (including other secondary airports). For most passengers looking for London service to NYC/US they will likely also use this code and find results for LGW/LHR.


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(@Susan Efford)
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I love this news! I wish Delta would do flights direct from Atlanta to London Gatwick. There are fast trains from inside the airport Direct to London Victoria takes 15-20 minutes! Gatwick is a much easier and more efficient airport to use and less crowded!


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(@grichard)
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Serious question: why do non-budget airlines avoid Gatwick so much, given Heathrow's tight slot controls? Is it just the travel time into London? Given that there's express service to Victoria, I'm surprised that this is such an insurmountable obstacle. Is the airport undesirable / inconvenient for other reasons? (I haven't been through Gatwick since I was a kid--TWA nonstop from Pittsburgh (!) and I think Peoplexpress.)


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(@simmonad)
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Gatwick used to be better connected with London than LHR, but the Elizabeth line has changed that. LGW is served by Gatwick Express every 15 minutes to Victoria and takes 30 minutes (rip-off, so avoid) GTR railway to Victoria (4 tph, 32 minutes) and Thameslink serving London Bridge, Blackfriars, Kings X/St Pancras every 15 minutes.


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It’s seen as a bucket & spade airport used by U.K. tourists going to EU/Caribbean hotspots rather than international business travel passengers.


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 Ross
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In the old days, Northwest used to fly to Gatwick from MSP


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(@derek)
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I used to think Gatwick was only for riff raff but now Gatwick is more convenient in some cases. Luton is the new Gatwick.


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 Tom
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Delta is not worried about this route being profitable - this is all about ensuring that Norse and JetBlue are NOT profitable. DL is flooding the market with seats in order to ensure the yields are terrible for the LCCs operating in this market. This is the oldest play in the legacy airline playbook.


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 Ben
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Gatwick is arguably better connected than Heathrow in some respects. It's on a major railway line so not only has pretty speedy services into London but also direct to the south coast of England and north of London. For South London, a huge area, it's a way better option than Heathrow. I would say it's just always been seen as the less premium London airport and the home of low cost/holiday carriers despite having a really eclectic airline mix. It's it's far nicer than Luton, for example.


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(@rrapynot)
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If London is my final destination, I actually prefer Gatwick over Heathrow. Rail station is right in the terminal and there is a choice of trains to different parts of London and South East England. The fare into town is cheap and you can just tap your card or phone on the fare gates, no need to even buy a ticket.

Strikes me as strange that Virgin Atlantic have no services from Gatwick since their headquarters are less than a mile from the runway at Gatwick.


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 Ryan
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You have the initial route plans from 2019 backwards. The BOS-LGW flight was supposed to be operated on DL metal (757-200) while the JFK-LGW flight was planned on Virgin.


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Diamond
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Did Delta ever operate JFK from Gatwick in the past? I recall flights from Atlanta, Cincy and even Boston - but never JFK.


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Diamond
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Scratch that - of course they did. In 2007 for sure, maybe before that too.


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@Sean,

Remember that that was the year DL bought rights from the N/E to LON from UA, only for Bermuda2 to be dissolved a few weeks later.

#Burned lol


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Diamond
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You do realize that the 767-300ER is the SMALLEST aircraft that Delta uses to cross the Atlantic?


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As BA has shown, you can pretty much take any strip of US pavement longer than a driveway, and use it to launch a successful flight to LON.

The only stateside destination that they've "failed" on has been Charleston, SC... and even THAT route seemed to inch toward permanence (loads continually climbed, at [advertised] fares similar to other destinations) until the pandemic brought it to an abrupt end.

I'll bet they'd still be trying it, if the widebody fleet had similar slack to back then (i.e. if the 744s hadn't all been retired in unison)


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Also worth noting that LGW was Delta's first transatlantic destination operated by its own fleet+crew, 45yrs ago this month.

Though, Delta aircraft would've been no stranger to London, as PanAm used to use Delta's 747-100s, and occasionally Delta's DC10s (yes, DC10s, not L1011s) to operate their DFW/MSY-ATL-IAD-LHR roundabout exchange.


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(@Julie)
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Is the 767-300 they’re using refurbished or is it the outdated Delta One seats?


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 Tom
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Well yes, obviously. But DL is adding a ton of capacity in a market with little demand in a clear effort to hurt the newcomers. Are you suggesting it would be a bigger flood (or splash) with a 767-400?


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Delta's LGW re-entry has nothing to do with constraints DL faces at LHR or a genuine and benevolent desire to offer flyers more options in the London market. The route exists to dump capacity and try and drive B6 and Norse off the market, by depressing yields. And the DoJ is laser focused on AA/B6 and the NEA! The move on Delta's part is aggressive and 101% pure anti-competitive.


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 Ryan
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All 767-300s have the same DL One seats refurbished or not.


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(@David)
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I use Gatwick to fly all over the place especially Canada. Good luck Delta. For me Heathrow is a pain to get to and Gatwick is much easier and Quicker. Recently flew into Gatwick from Barbados. Will look up flights and Prices to NY.


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Diamond
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Just like what British Airways is doing?


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Yes a 764 is larger and has a more premium Delta One configuration


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Diamond
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Any idea which lounge Delta will partner with for DeltaONE/SkyClub pax? There are no SkyTeam lounges that I'm aware of at LGW. It looks like Air Europa's flight to MAD is the only other SkyTeam service at LGW. I guess if Delta pax want to hop on a low cost carrier to a beach destination there are more options at LGW than LHR.


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 NR
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@lucky

Thanks for the article but quite a few inaccuracies. DL last served LGW in April of 2012 so not exactly 15 years, and the Bos-LGW route was planned on DL not Virgin, and similar for JFK, that was supposed to be a Virgin flight. Usually you’re more on point than that.


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(@Stephen)
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LGW was Delta's London Hub for years, it had no LHR slots and flew from DFW, ATL, DTW, CVG on L 1011's and then 767 300's. Apart from having a decent leisure and secondary African city market connectivity, LGW boasts a terrific place to land if you are heading to the south or southeast (Kent & Essex)... LGW has talked about a second runway for decades, until that happens, if ever it will only have so much traffic to attract a business centric clientele.


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 Tom
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Yes, I flew Atlanta to Gatwick on a l-1011 back in the mid 1980s. My first time ever in business class.

FYI Gatwick has 2 runways. It just cannot use them both at the same time. It is therefore often called the world's busiest single runway airport. There is a lot of wealth in that area so don't expect a true second runway ever.


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 Tom
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CB, LGW-OAK by BA failed, and was withdrawn before Covid.

OAK is too close to SFO and SJC, both still flown from LHR, so fares were low and flights were under-used.


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(@cosmo)
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oh i literally saw the inaugaral flight for this take off when i was in gatwick - waiting for a slightly less glamorous ryanair plane


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