As flagged by God Save the Points, British Airways Executive Club has completely overhauled long haul award tickets, and it’s good news. While you can still book long haul awards the same way as before, you now have the option of paying significantly less cash and more Avios.
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As you say, Avios are easy to accumulate. The lower surcharge and increased Avios will likely mean less seat availability and more people will be in business, reducing options. I wonder if BAs recent 'buy Avios on monthly subscription' has influenced this.
On a purely selfish basis, I prefer the old way.
I guess if you value an Avios mile at .015 or less this is a win but the value in 180k and $900 to fly TPA to LGW in Business when so many other options with a connection are available at a significant savings make this a tough sell. I also don't see off-peak pricing, but it is noted as an off-peak award and I'm wondering if all the mileage bands just got re-worked.....
@ John -- I hear you, though presumably the previous pricing of 125K Avios plus $1,800 was also a tough sell, no?
Is this another case of a no-notice change to the Avios program? Or did BA announce this previously and I just missed it?
@ Jules -- Correct, no notice, but sadly that's nothing new for Executive Club.
This increases the value prop of the Chase BA card award flight statement credit significantly, for me at least
I recently booked a one way First Class award ticket from BRU-LHR-IAD for 85k and $382. I couldn't believe it
BA haven't reduced their fuel surcharges. They are just giving an extra option to pay more Avios and less cash. There are no changes to normal redemption levels.
It seems like a scratch. And I'm opposite of the Airfarer. I'd rather "pay" more Avios than cash. Now where's my 40% transfer bonus...
Essentially just a change in how the ridiculous cost is charged. Still very expensive and still terrible service and product. From US perspective I think worse given FX rates. I am gold for life and haven’t flown BA in years due to poor product
This was my first thought too. The cash surcharges were ludicrous before and are now merely high. $200 off of $600 in surcharges is much more valuable to me in terms of viability than $200 off of $1400 in surcharges.
My issue is not the product, which has improved massively. The reduction in surcharges may, just may, convince me to take a flight. But whereas before my issue was the massive surcharges (and somewhat ok redemption rates), my issue now is that the redemption rates are now far worse and the surcharges are still high. Which means the better redemption rates on AF, KLM, Iberia etc. are even greater, albeit the surcharges are now more comparable (at least for AF, KLM). The best options, by far, remain Iberia and Turkish.
A big nothing, total BS. I've been trying to get rid of my Avois for years. BA is a failed business model IMHO.
I feel like the headline is inaccurate. Why not indicate you can now pay more avios in lieu of cash? That's what it really is.
I completely agree with Nun. I think Ben is wrong claiming that this new deal is better for customers. This massive increase in required Avios is hugely detrimental to those of us who only travel occasionally, and have to rely mostly on credit card bonus avios to make an award ticket on BA. I don't know whether or not the community here is aware of the pending bill in Congress that could potentially greatly reduce the ability of major banks to offer generous bonus miles. Of course I would agree that BA "so called carrier charges" are completely outrageous but almost doubling the avios requirement makes it far more difficult to get an award ticket in business class.
This seems to apply to Aer Lingus Avios awards as well. Overnight a PHL-DUB (Off Peak) has gone from 13,000/50,000 to 25,000/80,000. Only a minor drop in the cash outlay.
I just booked round trip in first SEA to LHR a few weeks ago. Wonder if they could re ticket it with the new pricing? Way rather spend Avios than money. That would be what, like a $1000 refund?
I just booked round trip in first SEA to LHR a few weeks ago. Wonder if they could re ticket it with the new pricing? Way rather spend Avios than money. That would be what, like a $1000 refund? And certainly makes my companion vouchers worth a lot more.
Not sure, you might be asked to cancel and rebook subject to availability - your cancelled space may not go back into redemption inventory though, so only proceed if space is still available to book before you cancel.
and you still have to pay a few hundred more to choose your Club World (business) seat in advance.
If you don't pay, you'll surely get stuck in the less than desirable middle seats.
That's what I came to look for too, surprised the 241 isn't covered in this article.
Previously Chase 241s haven't had pricing options like the new UK 241s have, just the older 'standard award chart' Avios price, and full TFCs. If we get pricing options now, then possibly okay. If we don't get options BUT the new fixed price is comparably inflated then ouch!
Sorry but this is complete clickbait nonsense. They did NOT "massively reduce award surcharges", they just offer you to optionally pay Avios instead now.
This is a non starter for me. I have plenty of Avios, but for use at Qatar and Iberia. I don’t typically fly BA as there are many other options to get me where I’m going.
I've been pricing out a OW from BNA to LHR for a couple of weeks now. Yesterday it was coming in at 5,700 Avios plus $ 350 (or so). Today the price has gone up to 5700 Avios plus $ 418. In fact all the pricing options have increased significantly. Can't see anyway to book with yesterday's pricing.... Maybe this is a one off but I don't think this is a good development..
Yeah I figured. I do this often but it is terrifying as seats in first are gold to me.
Fully agree. If you look at UK blogs (like Head for Points), no one is getting excited. The all in price is pretty much what it used to be and some routes are worse (like the Hong Kong example).
It's pretty close to flying blue I guess. I still wouldn't pick BA long haul because overall it's still more costly and I much rather fly air France or klm over ba. But a slightly more appealing option is good for those occasions when 1 option promo is better than the other. For people complaining that it's no change because you pay more points. Well you're all here because you're points warriors right? So reasonable to assume you should know how to game the points in your favor whereas a high tax/fee is not very malleable.
Well you like the rest of us are points warriors right? So instead of paying $400 on fees you end up churning a card for the points to pay it, isn't that a big benefit to you? It's not a benefit for those who don't understand the game but I would assume you do if you're here.
Yup. Me too.
Seems like a lot of folks here haven't really learned the points game as much as they think. I don't care if it costs an extra 20-50k avios. I'll figure out a way to get them without costing me $100.
The most insulting thing with old avios was one year when I priced a rt jfk-lhr business at whatever points it was plus $1300 on fees and taxes. I then went on BA site and price a revenue ticket for the exact same flight and it was $1250....smh
Holy crap. What do you mean surcharges went down? Was hoping to rebook an award flight. A week ago was peak 91500+$378 is now 116250+$384. Nearly 30% higher. The off-peak day I was going to book was 72500+$378 is now 105000+$384 or 44% more. YIKES guess avios are dead to me.
From my email receipt last week:
Avios points debited 182500
Payment Total USD 758.96
Today same ticket (2seats)
232500 Avios + $ 768.62
Nope, rates are still ludicrously high. I agree it suits the US more with very generous Avios earning and recurrent 25% transfer bonuses, etc - but they really haven't reduced the fees, they've just offered an option to pay these silly fees with Avios.
Really disappointed in the headline to this article. Not only is is clickbait, it's misleading.
Ben, this is not like you -- you've always published the most straightforward, most helpful articles. I actually wasted time trying to make sure I wasn't missing something because it was clear from reading your article that they did NOT reduce surcharges, just started provided an alternative way to pay for them other than cash.
Please update the headline. I have never posted a message like this on your site, but this instance crossed the line.
I just realized the new plan doesn’t apply to first class bookings. Never mind. Gues it will help if I’m forced to fly biz for some reason.
Avios are good for anything other than a BA flight. BA shouldn't have bothered.
Agree about this being a most unusually misleading post, Lucky! It’s just an option to use Avios instead of cash; not a decrease in surcharges.
This makes me feel even better value in using 16.5k + $5.60 Avios yesterday at 5 day’s notice to buy an AA flight from CLT-MIA on a 777 in flat bed J! AA wanted 13.5k in Y!
{ A one-way Los Angeles to London award went from costing 62,500 Avios and $879 to costing 90,000 Avios and $350 }
It's laughable that this could even be considered a halfway decent deal, when you can book the same and many more connecting options for 57.5k AA + ~$50.
Yeah, no. I wanted a simple economy flight from Pittsburgh to London. Two days ago this was 13K Avios and 183.50 taxes and fees, which is a decent deal compared to $900 cash for a one way. Now, it is 25K and 183.50 taxes and fees. Um... That is the opposite of a reduction. The price went up 12k Avios overnight with the same taxes and fees.
Ben, this needs to be deleted and rewritten. It was a large overnight devaluation. I priced out PIT>LHR on Monday and it was 13K Avios + $183. Today I went to book it and it is 25K Avios + $184. There is no option to book at the old rates. If I want to spend 13K avios, the total taxes and fees are $425.65. I was also checking NYC>LON and same. So either way it is a devaluation. I can either spend 12K more avios or $240 more in taxes and fees. I called and spoke with 3 agents and none of them could do anything about it. No supervisors available because: British Airways. I have a flight I wanted to book tomorrow and now I'm having to use AA with a connection instead of nonstop with BA. I want you to write the article saying BA f***** up so maybe one of the employees at BA will notice and fix this today.
Wait 'til you look for availability and realize that the taxes and fees are just as high as they've always been and the only thing that has changed is that the number of Avios required is now significantly higher.
While I agree the headline here is way, way, way too positive and ignores the many, many issues with this new scheme including the fact that US BAEC accounts are now saddled with ex-US surcharges even when a flight departs from a non-US location. However, the example you give isn't that awful in my opinion. You are basically getting 1.9 cent US of value per Avios to pay down the surcharges (I think most folks would say 1.9 cents of value is pretty good). Sure that isn't as good as AA for 57.5k but try to find J on AA metal TATL (I can pretty much get J everyday of the week from my city on BA). AA award chart is something of an outlier at this point so yeah if you can find the space AA is going to be a better deal for sure. Also Avios are easier to accumulate than AA miles. I transferred a bunch of MR over and got a 40% bonus.