British Airways has just revealed its newest transatlantic route, and it’s an interesting one.
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When CVG was #2 Delta hub the London Gatwick flight was always over sold. As a Delta 360 it's a shame Delta hasn't added new service, but happy for the airport to gain British Airways to Heathrow.
CVG is also one of the fastest growing freight hubs in the US, huge potential to fill with freight to make the economics work. Global hub for many of the major freight airlines.
I remember when AF used to fly 747-200s to CVG back in the early aughts when CVG was still a major hub for DL.
I’m old.
Yes! And SN also flew the 747-300 into CVG for a time, and DL operated AMS, CDG, FCO, FRA, LGW, and MUC. At one time, CVG was at around 600 daily departures for DL.
Cincinnati probably makes more sense geographically than Indianapolis. Indy flyers have many options out of Chicago too but Cincy can also easily pull from Louisville, Lexington, Dayton, Columbus. Plus big corporates in Cincy (Proctor and Gamble being one).
This is great and yet it still baffles my mind why there is no longer any non-stop CVG to SFO service, although Breeze will start the usual 2X/week type service in 2023.
Awesome! I live in Dayton, so I've long been wanting to see some TATL service out of Cincinnati and/or Columbus
DL had directs to Zurich back then too - took it many times as a kid visiting family in Switzerland
Ben you said AA can provide feed for this service. But AA only flies from hubs to CVG and they already fly from all their hubs to London. Why would someone in, say, Dallas want to fly DFW-CVG-LHR?
BA will be increasing our service to 6 a week next year out of PIT, so it appears to be potentially working on the investment they thew to them.
Feed as corporate and leisure customers who have loyalty or contracts with AA in general, even when they originate in CVG.
Terrific news. This will corner the thoroughbred industry in Kentucky (and those traveling to KY) alone - lots of premium cabin travel.
Those older seats are actually better if you snag the window seat. That is like a private room, sort of a mini Etihad Apartment.
I think CVG is an interesting market and we could see even more international flights or a focus/hub for an airplane like breeze. It's not because of Cincinnati itself but because u basically have 12-13 million people within a couple hours of the airport, Indy, Columbus, Louisville, Dayton, Lexington, West Virginia are all within an easy drive of CVG. I think we will see more growth out of cvg
"Mini Etihad apartment" is a bit over the top, but I agree - love the privacy of the window seat in this configuration when flying by myself.
Great news. Took us two days to get to Cincinnati from Heathrow last time we travelled.
Will use this flight regularly.
Thank you! Something tells me we'll be seeing TONS of two-stop award itineraries. Can't wait to fly XXX-CLT-CVG-LHR with the privilege of paying a BA fuel surcharge.
BA and DL are the only two airlines that have aggressively gone after non-hub cities to their hubs... DL started w/ PIT-CDG, then IND and RDU (DL has retained its CVG-RDU service.).
DL is still very protective of CVG - something the airport doesn't entirely like but DL still pays for more of the terminal than they use.
Let's see what DL's next steps are - BA clearly has the advantage with far more slots at LHR but DL could easily start adding CDG and AMS service from secondary cities that BA serves. If it comes down to merely connecting passengers, neither BA or DL can support a transatlantic traffic just on the local traffic -which means that connecting/beyond flights from some of these secondary cities could become "very affordable."
While it might come down to picking your poison, CDG is still a better connecting airport than LHR.
this clearly shows Delta's surrender of the CVG market. After Delta completes the exit of its CVG hub (which, having been there, they have. the terminal is deserted), AA just does have the better hub network for CVG.
If your options out of CVG are ATL, DTW, and MSP with Delta vs ORD, DFW, MIA, CLT (for connections). Why would you ever fly Delta? AA can now get you anywhere in Europe with one stop via the #1 destination in Europe, Heathrow.
Like Memphis before it, a former Delta hub is headed toward oneworld dominance.
lol. In what way is the most connected airport in the world, Heathrow, worse than CDG for connecting? You and your crazy world you live in.
Yes people have business to do in Kentucky . Whiskey and horses. Cincinnati is right on the border. Columbus Ohio isn’t to far of a drive from Cincinnati either. Could work.
Many EU carriers take the two year incentive only to cut and run (yes I know the UK is not in the EU). BA seems to commit only if they see real sustainability.
Did he say provide "feed"?
As others mentioned. The AA sales team in the USA is obviously massive. Corp contracts etc.
There is probably a decent amount of CVG-LHR via CDG, that will switch to nonstop over the course of the year.
AA/BA sell DFW-LHR (via numerous points) - at any given time, they can switch fares to flow passengers over CVG when nonstops in a certain class are full.
QF's PER-LHR is not a success on its own. QF makes sure to switch fare classes/capacity to flow Eastern Aus cities over PER, rather than SIN as and when needed.
Yield management is an art, helped by Sabre in the past. Now run entirely I'm sure by AI.
It’s hard to believe that CVG, CLE, and PIT were all abandoned as hubs. You don’t have the congestion and the pricing of the east coast or ORD, but you’re almost right there. Why would someone rather connect through EWR or PHL than one of these?
But good for Cincinnati. I’m glad they’re getting some international service restored.
"If your options out of CVG are ATL, DTW, and MSP with Delta vs ORD, DFW, MIA, CLT (for connections). Why would you ever fly Delta"
You randomly/erratically eliminated several of the hubs DL connects CVG to, in an attempt to make it seem like there's some disparity of destinations that either carrier could get you to, via a 1stop.
Strange.
"the most connected airport in the world, Heathrow"
Um, you're about 3yrs behind the times.
LHR isn't even in the top-20 for OAG "most connected" global hubs anymore, despite being #1 in 2019.
https://www.oag.com/megahub-airports-2022#top-50-global
"Why would someone rather connect through EWR or PHL than one of these?"
No. But would a plurality of travelers choose to pay a premium to connect there over EWR/PHL? Also no.
And there lies the issue for the former hubs.
“CDG is still a better connecting airport than LHR”
Fascinating. LHR is poor if you’re making connections (especially if the flights use different terminals), but it’s still one of the few airports in Europe that is easier for connections than the hellhole that is CDG.
I wouldn’t recommend either.
Personal preference is one thing.... data is another. CDG is a better connecting airport than LHR and the data shows that.
The issue is that the Midwest had multiple hubs under each of the former pre-merger airlines. There is no need for PIT, CVG and CLE given remaining hubs at ORD (AA), DTW (DL) and ORD (UA).
None of which changes that DL is still the largest airline at CVG and that is not going to change by what BA does.
Nonsense and bias, as usual. Neither CDG nor AMS are any better for connections over LHR. All 3 have their challenges and limitations.
again, real data shows that AMS and CDG connect more global traffic than LHR and it is in part due to higher airport capacity at those two EU hubs and the fact that BA has a lower percentage of slots at LHR.
The LHR local market is larger but BA has to use a much higher percentage of its capacity at LHR to serve the local market than AF does at CDG or KL does at AMS. The same is true for LH at FRA.
that reality, not personal preference, has implications for each of those carriers' US partners = and explains why DL and UA have a higher share of the LHR market plus their EU based networks and beyond than AA/BA have of Europe and beyond taken cumulatively.
BA will steal a bunch of front end business from Procter & Gamble on this route. A big money spinner
A hub needs two things in order to be successful - a great location/terminal facilities AND a very large local demand. Cincinnati, while a large city, never generated and still doesnt generate, enough local demand. While there are some exceptions, like Charlotte, there are reasons why they succeed and others dont. But in general, Cincinnati, while a great place to connect, simply wasnt large enough. And in a consolidated market, Detroit, which generates way more local traffic, makes more sense for Delta to have as a lower midwest hub.
@Concordeboy I think what was meant by the significant increase in one-stop connections that will be available with this new BA flight are all the new options to secondary cities in Europe, and beyond in places throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Indian Subcontinent that don’t have nonstop service from any US airports. That’s what was pitched in the press conference if you happened to have watched it.
The 788 is a game-changer that makes long, thin routes work. One of the first was JAL using theirs from NRT to BOS. In the same way that small houses are often called ‘starter homes,’ that’s what the 788 represents for the airlines that have them. On the CVG route, the natural progression will be to the 789, which is where I think it will stay.
I mentioned the ones unique to DL and AA. AA also can fly customers to NYC nonstop or earning AAdvantage miles to SEA on AS.
That's ignorant. Plenty of people would and do pay a premium to connect in Heathrow over an East Coast airport.
Facts are facts and Delta has a much less business-hub network in terms of unique nonstops to DL. The unique AA destinations are far more useful business destinations vs DL unique destinations (aside from Target in MSP with P&G).
Has Tim Dunn found a new Delta bestie?
Absolutely awesome can't wait. I use to fly delta from Cincinnati to gatwick. Will be able to go direct is awesome.