In the miles & points world, we’re rather obsessed with maximizing value, and scoff at the thought of not redeeming our points for multiple cents each. That almost always comes in the form of travel redemptions, typically by moving points to airline partners, often for premium cabin redemptions.
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I'm not surprised at all. The world is full of, how should I say it, not-so-smart people. US surely has a fair share of them. They're being influenced and taken advantage of everywhere every day, in every way, and not just financially.
Not everyone knows about transferring points to airline FFPs to get outsized value from Amex or Chase points. And even among those who do, some people—especially those who highly value their time—find the process too time-consuming or incompatible with their schedules. This is especially true for families with kids in school: award redemptions can be extremely challenging, and not everyone is willing to juggle multiple flights, cabins, airlines, or last-minute availability like hardcore points enthusiasts do.
I also have friends who are business owners and earn huge amounts of points. For them, redeeming points for bills or gift cards is easy and provides decent value—otherwise those points might never get used. Since they earn points so easily, they likely value them at less than a cent per point. Sometimes I’m tempted to ask them to book me a first-class flight and I’d pay them 1¢ per point, but I don’t want to bother them or ask them to spend time on something they don’t enjoy, especially when they themselves don’t see the value in squeezing out every extra dollar.
I think it’s skewed by the top spenders. It’s people who have so much money they don’t care about maximizing the value and spend millions per year on their cars. Individuals or businesses. The data would be more useful if they broke it out into annual spend groupings to see what “people like us” do.
I am not sure if that is true. Maybe they are so smart that they make so much money, squeezing some value of out of amex points is not their life priority...
The really smart people have a lot more profitable ways of spending their time than wasting it on maximizing the value of their Amex points.
Haven’t see this discussed much but this is what’s so hard about Bilt trying to displace the big players. Their users are, on average, much more savvy with redeeming. Amex has millions of idiots as seen here. What a profit advantage
This stat is based on number of redemptions.
If unsophisticated customers erase a $10 charge at checkout or via a statement credit and you transferred 999,000 points to Hawaiian to convert to Alaska/Atmos, those count the same. So 0.6-0.7 cent redemptions aren't necessarily the massive majority of points redeemed (though they still might be).
I agree this email is written to encourage you to redeem suboptimally, though.
Let's just be thankful: if everyone were an optimizer, they couldn't afford to offer these options to us or award 200,000 SUBs!
Well its become a lot harder in the last couple of years to find good flight or hotel redemptions. The space has exploded in popularity and its become increasingly impossible to actually get value out of ones points. No wonder these redemptions arent popular in the grand scheme of things.
It's unclear what the cost of gift cards are for Amex. Direct statement credit is probably the most costly, with point transfer less so.
Everyone is suggesting that people who redeem for gift cards/cash are unsophisticated. But in many cases they are acting rationally.
For anyone who has a relatively low credit card spend (i.e. most people), you won't earn enough points to get a high-value redemption. If you do transfer to a frequent flyer program, you then have to contend with the ever-decreasing availability of award seats when you actually want to fly, and then tracking when your points expire. Meanwhile, a gift card is effectively immediate cash in your hand.
I remain convinced that the vast majority of credit card holders would be best off getting a simple 2% cash back card.
the vast majority of the people in the world do not travel or want to travel near as much as people on sites like this do.
The rewards ecosystem reflects that esp. given that airlines and travel related services have such a high profile position in the rewards ecosystem.
Using points for travel, especially transferring points also costs time. Let's not forget that the average person can't even remember the username and password to the majority of their accounts.
So when you calculate that this could take the average person an hour or more to pull off, it does have some validity.
Context: Pay at checkout (amazon use 1 MR get x off) can be costly for amex. Many biz owners use small statement credits on their monthly bill. Gift card redemption transactions can be lifted by bonus options.
Notably, Amex uses number of transactions and not volume of exchanged MR. Further, no use percentage is given to any category so partner transfers may be close behind and possinly greater volumes.
Usually xfer MR to Hilton at 25% bonus (1:2.5) to top off account for redemptions. I'm not an expensive date.
I wouldn't be surprised if this list is made up by AMEX to push people toward the least expensive redemption options for AMEX. These are the categories they likely want you to redeem your points in.
This is the same reason Chase dropping the 1.5 cents in their travel portal was so damaging. Readers here were comparing that with other value redemptions but most users weren't. It was just their go to. It was easy for relatively good value. Too easy. Chase couldn't sustain.
My boss' Amex biz platinum is used for a number of company expenses every month, to the tune of $30k+ per month. At the end of the year he redeems his miles for gift cards for employees, which is a nice bonus, but as a points enthusiest it pains me to watch him waste away hundreds of thousands of amex points on gift cards when there is no company policy that prohibits him from redeeming the miles for himself.
If the "ever-decreasing" myth were true, your advice would be sound.
The common refrain I hear: "I tried and tried to get a flight but there's nothing so I gave up and redeemed my points for a flatscreen TV."
"I tried" = "I approached it wrong so I failed"
Ding ding ding. It's not the total size of redemptions.
So for example someone that does 1 40,000 point transfer and 3 $10 statement credits....is 3:1 statement credits but 6:1 points transfer in size.
The note says it is based on total number of redemptions not total points redeemed. Points transfers are usually very large one offs while these are more frequent, smaller redemptions. It is possible, and even likely, that transfers are in the top 3 for total points redeemed
If you make $250 an hour, why would you spend 10 hours to find the unicorn that "provides outsized value"? That would be completely irrational.
I don't know about all your reasoning, but I second your conclusion that a simple 2% cash back card may be best for most people. I'm even thinking that for myself after my best option on my last two trips to Europe from the Pacific NW being BA J for 57.5K AA miles plus $750 each way/pp. Also paying 215K Alaska miles to return from the Caucuses via DOH on a specific inflexible date. Those Q Suites better be nice.
Does that side-step the gift cards being taxable income for the employees, as the would be if they were bought with company funds?
As I’ve said repeatedly, most ppl are better off with pure cash back cards. And Not transferring to partners is especially what BILT is banking on (and needs) to stay in business. As a sidebar, I can definitely see Citi tweaking its TY structure since its transfer partner program changes in 2025.
This is absolutely true. I have a group of friends that sign up for premium cards (one with an AMEX Plat, another with a Citi Prestige), and neither does a significant amount of travel and both end up using points for cash equivalents. Makes me cry a little bit inside to see it.
I recently got a new Amex Plat card and Amex mistakenly assigned me a 2nd MR account--the interesting thing is that MR account already belonged to someone in Miami (Hi, J. Ingelias!)! So I was able to see all his purchases and redemptions!
The way he was using his card was about as different from me as possible: he basically used the card on every sort of boutique and pampering service, earning loads of points, but then he would spend all his points at Amazon. It was so weird to me that I thought it might be fraud.
But I came to realize that he just lived differently from me...
The other thing to consider is the whales. Many of them have high spend, but are saving up points because it isn't the best value for an outsized redemption. But then just accumulating points forever. So they are never redeeming for gift cards, and aren't redeeming at airline/hotel partners either.
Hey Tim. While internationally representative surveys show that actual travel is a minority behavior, with frequent-traveler and rewards communities forming a small, self-selected group that travels far more than the general population, aspirations to travel are widespread. Most non-travelers in countries worldwide - including Brazil, India, Indonesia, Mexico, and Nigeria - say they would like to travel internationally if they could, with only a minority explicitly not wanting to. There is insufficient data to confirm whether they desire to travel “as much as travel-enthusiast communities,” but the evidence suggests this claim is unsupported; what is concentrated is travel, not the desire to do so.
I agree. Even if you value MR at 1.7c, that is still less than 2% for each dollar. You can go buy the tix or hotel and still get points and spend less in theory.
I did business with a contractor whose employees used cards to purchase work supplies for the jobs. At the end of the year, boss gave gifts cards to the employees. Employees probably just liked to get the 'cash' to spend, and had no idea of value vs points. I explained how I was using my points for Business class travel. Not sure he grasped things, or perhaps it's simpler to make the employees happy to give the cards.
Not at all surprised. If everyone redeemed points like most here credit card companies wouldn't make nearly as much. The vast majority of Americans don't want to learn how to do things that takes more than 15 minutes of studying. God forbid it should involve math harder than 3*9. They are also impatient and want instant gratification without thought. Just click your phone or tap a card. They don't even want to know the balance on their gift cards if they can even find it after that one time they used it. And I'm sort of glad for this segment of the population. They ensure that I will always be ahead in the world. Of course they're a disaster on the economy. *shrug*
So here's the deal you won't wanna hear. There is a generational divide here. Where as say the above 40 most certainly 50 people travel a lot love it...younger people don't. Unless you're not tuned into financial news over 40% of Amex's new customers for numerous years are Gen Z. For them the Gold Card is it with many getting Platinums. They are not traveling...they are eating out, seeing shows.
The points for them are gift cards to cover eating and everything you explained.
It's also why your site should start morphing because your site and every other stinking travel site continuously talks about travel only, business class, airport lounges, upscale hotels. You're talking about everything that probably 1/3 to almost half of Amex card users are not doing and you speak zero about everything they are doing. Need some proof go talk to some. My job I work with 20s-30s daily and their interests are radically different for whatever reason then other generations. A good example is did you know that almost 75% of under 30 do not drink. Under 40 it's near 50%.
Interesting how Amex has pulled away to take the lead by expressly catering to the younger folk and its worked marverlously business metrics wise while the others have not and have suffered. There is a perception that they do not have money. Not only are a significant number of them paying their bills, paying their annual fee but they are being glossed over like this site.
Try hiring some non boomer employees for the site and that might change. Just my two cents.
Either it's hard to do because everyone is doing it or no one is doing it because it's hard to do.
It can't be both.
Interesting info BA. Although I’m not sure OneGiftCardAtATime will be as fun to read each day.
Since so many people are making such low value choices to use points I can't help but wonder why Amex chose to repeatedly devalue the Business Platinum 50% points rebate for flights, then restrict it even further.
Most passengers fly Economy.
So should a travel blog have most of its coverage about Economy?
No, focus on a niche which one understands.
Exactly.
I'm inclined to respect Amex Marketing for not lying, but pushing people how they want to.
All of the “best” uses promoted by this and most other travel sites for all transferable points are business class on airlines from the third world or countries run by dictatorships. Please tell us what the best uses are if we don’t plan to fly business class connecting through the middle east on “bone-saw” airlines?
I think it’s based on people’s lifestyle. Some people are not playing the points and miles loyalty game and primarily charge on one or two cards and redeem in ways that suit them.
I was dealing with a delayed point transfer once and was talking with the C1 rep on the phone. She told me no one transfers points to airlines, and that’s why it’s not a priority for them to done up with a better more expedient system for points transfers. I argued it was the MOST VALUABLE benefit and she agreed. She said almost no one does it though, so complaints like mine when points are delayed, and there is no way to speed up the transfer are not really taken very seriously. She says VERY VERY few actually transfer to an airline.