Understanding United's Open Jaw Rules

Except for the part where I've booked an open-jaw at a stopover, not a turnaround point, several times I'd agree with you.

Maybe the computers are getting better at kicking out questionable itineraries, but I also had an agent read me the rules in his system last time I did it and he conceded that, while what you've described here is what the common understanding of an open-jaw is, that's not what UA's rules said and he couldn't enforce it that way based on what they have in their systems.

Maybe that's changed recently, but it definitely is not a hard-and-fast rule.

Travel is Free I think has several good posts on this that explain things. From what I understand it, it's not necessarily a "turnaround" point, but each continent is in a "zone" and whatever is the "most powerful zone" is what United's computers count as the destination.

Definitely agree though with what you said about the fact that whatever the computer says is gospel, which can be good or bad, depending

How about such itinerary, first flight GDN-MUC and another one two days later but from FRA to NYC and finally a return flight NYC-FRA-GDN??? All the flights with LH. Now, should it be considered a trip for 100K UA miles in business class? Apparently, they were not able to price correctly (unless I am wrong!) and I had to book GDN-MUC for 20K plus the rest of the trip for 100K.

I've also had luck as recently as yesterday getting an open-jaw in the middle of the return to price out.

IAD-NRT-AKL//AKL-BKK-PVG//PEK-IAD

It is quite counterintuitive, but SHARES often allows it.

I recently changed an award ticket such that it now has an open jaw at the stopover point. I'm not quite sure why they let me do that, but there was a schedule change that would have added 110 minutes to a connection. So I had them just remove the first (very short) leg.

Last night I booked the following itinerary:

EWR-FRA-BKK-HKT(destination)-BKK-LHR-EWR(stop)-CLT-AUA

I'm trying to change it to this, but they keep telling me that it's invalid:

EWR-FRA-BKK-HKT(destination)-BKK-LHR-EWR(stop & Open jaw) PHL-AUA

Based on what I've read in many other places and just in the comments of this post, it should be allowed. Anybody know what the issue is and how I could possibly convince them that it is in fact legal?

Thanks!

Can you clarify whether NYC airports trigger an open jaw. i.e. fly into EWR, fly out of JFK.

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@ Tom -- They shouldn't.

@ Brian -- I'd argue it's not allowed. In this case EWR/AUA are the turnaround points, and not PHL. That's why the computer isn't pricing it.

I got an open jaw at the stopover 2 days ago. It definitely requires some handholding (and likely manual pricing), but it can be done

Lucky, would the following route work as a RT award?

A: in US
B, C, D, E: in China

A-B, C-D, E-A?

With A-B being the longest route, E-A, then C-D.

I took full advantage last week and booked JFK-SFO-ICN (Asiana Smartium) [stopover] ICN-HKG [open-jaw] TPE-JFK (EVA Royal Laurel)

@ JD -- Per my interpretation (and I say that because others above are disagreeing with me) I'd say no. I believe you can do an open jaw on each end of the trip, but can't do two open jaws on one side of the trip.

I agree with Wandering Aramean about using an open jaw at the stopover point, in addition to the origin/destination. I am flying one in March that I booked last year in April. I hope to book one in February for travel in January 2015. Hope it goes well.

Lucky,

I have 25,000 miles coming in a few days to my account! If I put a flight on hold with United, will it keep at pre-deval pricing?

I have been successful in getting the United computer to accept "crazy" one-ways using a multi-city search:

FRA - ARN (23 hour layover)
ARN - OSL (23 hour layover)
OSL - FRA - RIX (destination; potentially just get off in FRA)

So for a 2 day weekend trip at 23 hours in destination and back home for 12,500 miles pre-devaluation, and I guess 15,000 miles post devaluation

Also - I successfully booked the following 2 weeks ago for 3 people at 25,000 United per person:

FRA - BIO (stopover)
BIO - OSL (open-jaw)
BGO - FRA (finish)

Anyone else noticing the horrendous delay in transferring points from UR to United today? I hope they haven't put a block on transfers until tomorrow.

Recently, I needed to log out of my UA account and my Hyatt account and log back in to see the new balance. No matter how many times I refreshed, nothing showed up. As soon as I logged out and back in though, they were there.

@Brian - you're a star! Thank you. That did the trick.

My personal favorite was the time I tried to book a double open jaw (one at the destination (not a SO) and the other back in the US. The agent told me that I wasn't allowed two open jaws. I read to him the rule, verbatim, from the website, including the example given by UA. I explained that I was quoting the published rule verbatim. He still said that I was wrong, and that the example quoted was two one-ways and not a valid round trip. That's when I hung up.

I agree that there are many success stories of people booking open jaws at stopover points. I also agree that when reading the rules and the various definitions, they technically do not allow an open jaw at a stopover point. So if/when it happens, consider yourself fortunate.

Would below price as single award or two awards?
HKG-SYD(destination)-BOM(stopover)-HKG ?

@ murtuza -- I highly doubt United's computers would price that, to be honest.

I was surprised I had an ORD-MEX-FRA-HND price today. The agent said she would let it slip by but was going to tell tech support something was off. Either way, it worked for me and was advised not to alter the ticket.

@Matthew - The open-jaw in your example is not "in the middle of the return." AKL is the stopover and PVG is the destination. Therefore, your open-jaw is at the turnaround point.

Regarding the United devaluation more generally, if I put a ticket on hold tonight and have it issued tomorrow, will the new award chart apply? Also, anyone know how long Chase UR>MP transfers take to post?

Thanks Lucky for all your helpful tips and info, scored on LH first to south east asia 🙂

Devaluation postponed! Muahahahaha!

Thanks, Ben! I do have a question and appreciate the help...last year we booked EWR-HNL-NRT-EWR with no problem using the equivalent miles for one round trip to tokyo; this year we booked these me thing but we are flying back EVA since we couldn't find any available United flights. the EVA flights were an option on the UA website. When I called to book, I was told that because it is an EVA return the segments all had to be booked as one way rewards and the 'free' stopover didn't apply. Does this seem correct to you? Thanks so much!

So I have a double open jaw to Africa via Europe, so what are my chances of getting a stop in Europe as well or is the computer counting one of my Africa open jaws as a stop. I guess that's what's happening.

Thanks to Lucky (and other bloggers)I was able to get 6 UA award tix which we flew IAD-EWR-MAD (open jaw) BCN-VCE (stopover)IAD (via FRA). This was in June 2013, prime time, so we booked July 2012. Yes, we flew economy (E+ all of us via hubby's MM PP). I don't mind E+ to Europe, and over Christmas/NY 2011/2012 we flew E+ to BKK. Yeah, that sucked, but all 6 of us flew on awards and we to to see Thailand. I am bummed with UA devaluation as I had hoped that once all the kids were in college, hubby and I would be flying in premium classes. Oh well. At least we get to see the world and we have taken our kids with us.

@ Nick -- What's the routing? Without knowing it, tough to conceptualize...

Yes you can OJ at a stopover. I've booked it. Recently. It requires a cooperative agent and they have to send it to the rate desk to price. But it can be done.

Is there a way to do this as a double open jaw with a stopover? How would I get an agent to price it?
FRA-JNB (stop) - GRU
AUA-SFO

If not, how would I get the best value for a similar route?

Thanks!

@ Shawn -- Those are just three one-ways. There's no way to turn that into a roundtrip with a stopover, sorry.

Can anyone help me to complete this itinerary on united?
I want iah > arn (stoppover) arn > rom (open jaw) lon > iah
the system wont let me, what am I doing wrong? also what else could I add to this trip any other open jaws?

any help will be greatly apreciated

@ sara j -- That should be legal, assuming you can keep it to under five segments per direction. With an open jaw and stopover, you're just about maximizing what you can book. You'd have to book something like this by phone, though.

thanks! ill try calling

@ sara J - I've noticed that United's search engine isn't really helpful when it comes to multi-destination searching. Even though, there are such and such flights available for a single leg, once combined we get an error message. The only solution is to talk to a customer service rep from Mannila or so 🙂 Do not forget to ask to waive a $25 booking fee.

HI Lucky,
Can you book one way from ORD to FRA, FRA to HKG or ICN then one of those destinations to TPE with 110,000 miles?? It would just be standard layover time in between them.

Thank You for your help

Is the website for multi-destination function not working? I check if they're flight using one-way only. Its saying, not flights available.

Trying to book SFO > FRA , FRA > SFO. Ha ving issues trying to get the open jaw flight

@ Ivan -- The multi-city tool rarely works, so you may have to call.

Would either of these be legit?

Denver, CO to Lihue, Hawaii
Lihue, Hawaii to Paris, France
Paris, France to Manchester, England
Dublin, Ireland to Denver CO

or

Lihue, Hawaii to Paris, France
Paris, France to Manchester, England
Dublin, Ireland to Denver, CO

Neither 'works' on the multiple destination option....

Thanks, great site

@ Mark -- The latter should be fine, if you can keep the number of segments down.

I've just found out that our itinerary: EWR-GRU, EZE-SCL-BOG-UIO-(stop-over)-SAL-EWR is not possible to make because an open jaw GRU - EZE is around 1,000 miles and it has to be less than 700 miles. Any comments on that???

@ Robert -- I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is probably that you have more than four segments, and they probably limit a one-way itinerary to four segments.

would this work for an open jaw, doesn't sound like it but I have to ask.

LAX - Berlin (TXL) with a return from Asia via Bangkok (BKK) to New York with a stop over in LAX? It's worth noting that I'm only looking to go to NYC solely for the free LAX-NYC for future use.

wound any part of this be open jaw or stopover eligible?

Thanks!

Is SMF-JFK (stopover) JFK-ROM (open jaw) VCE-SMF no longer allowed? I priced this out a year ago and now have 300k UR points and 100k United and was trying to book bus/1st class but it won't get me past the first leg.

@ Ashley -- Should be fine, you'd have to call to book though.

Thank you for a great article! Could bellow itinerary work?

Orlando, FL - Krakow (open jaw) Prague - Budapest (stopover) - Bucharest (destination) - Orlando, FL

Thank you!

@ Jill -- I don't believe so, unfortunately, since that's a double open jaw on one end of the trip.

Great post! I feel like I have wasted so many points in the past!
I am trying to book at ticket but keep getting error.
SHouldnt this work?

LAS - LON (stopover)- LIS (destination)
CDG (open jaw)- LAS

thanks!

@ faith -- That should be fine. I'd recommend calling, as they should be able to book that by phone.

thanks! would I be able to add on an extra city in the US after LAS? Any other way I can maximize my points? Also, only United is coming up in the search, does this mean all other carriers have no seats available?

@ faith -- I'd say that's already pretty maximized, you can't do a further stopover. If other carriers have seats available they should show up in the search.

We are planning to fly NY-Paris(stopover)-Switzerland- (Open jaw) Prague-NY. I tried this itinerary on united website and had no problem but Is there any way to add another open jaw? We also want to visit budapest or close side of Italy if possible.

I have read multiple articles on using open jaw and stopover rules for United awards travel, however I can't get the United system to allow me to book anything more than three flight segments. For example, EWR-LHR, LHR-ROM, ROM-CDG, CDG-EWR won't go through. If I take out ROM-CDG and simply return from ROM-EWR it works. But that is only one stopover and no open jaws. Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong or is this something to do with United's system? Thanks for all the great help.