Uh Oh: American Airlines Employee Contract Negotiations Are Underway

“strategic no-shows to maximize the number of cancelations, intentional delays (including intentionally delaying flights over maintenance that’s deferrable), and at one airline I even recall pilots were “riding the breaks” while taxiing, in order to increase fuel burn” - why are they not all firable offenses for intentional irresponsibility? In any other company, sabotaging business performance for personal gain is a good way to lose your job...

Solidarity with all the workers at AA

why should anyone show mercy to those militant unions who literally use us as pawns in their game.

if they threats prevail, they win, but when they don't, the customers are the ones suffering the most. Unions had their glorious heydays in the bygone era, but modern day unions are a major PITA.

Are the AA unions acting right now by telling the FA's to withhold their smiles?

They start from an untenable position.

"Achieve industry-leading hourly pay rates"

We're reminded by Garrison Keillor, paraphrased, that not every company can pay above average. Otherwise, you're all just chasing your tails.

But they have many components to work with. Let's hope for the best.

@Lucky: “I’d note that pilots are in many cases already back to pre-9/11 wages” — Does this account for inflation? If not, that’s actually pretty terrible.

@DC-PHLyer — Good luck replacing a bunch of pilots and flight attendants on short notice.

@henryLAX — What exactly are workers supposed to do? Their only bargaining chip is to withhold their labor. If they can’t do that, they’ll just have to roll over for management every time.

Lucky, I'm curious... do you have an ownership stake in any airlines?

I miss the days of flight reviews, destination reports, and maximizing points. Those were the days.

Just bring Ben Smith over from AF-KLM who’ll just capitulate to the unions like he did when he was temp CE of AF and gave them everything they wanted of and Lucky will sing his praises to the high heavens the cost be damned.

In my experience bad relations between unions and management are down more to management not following agreed processes and agreements than because of Union bloody mindedness.

AA mechanics haven't had a contract since 2003 with no sign of one anytime soon. Could someone look into this? They are after all, what keeps the planes in the air.

pilots for the most part are glorified bus drivers. Sure you want skilled pilots for those oh shit moments, but in the end its the customers that end up paying. If flight attendants want more money, perhaps they smile and stay off the phone when passengers are deplaning

I don’t know if this had anything to do with the negociations but two days ago my husband and I had a nightmare experience with American’s maintenance practice. After a 3 hour delay in Monterey airport (waiting for a mechanic to drive down from San Jose to shut an engine latch and—when he didn’t show up—flying one down from SJC). We made our connection with what we thought was minutes to spare only to learn that our flight was delayed and then cancelled (maintenance!). After spending 45 minutes with the world’s most incompetent gate agent (She actually told us to just call American because she couldn’t figure out how to help us) we found out that American had automatically rebooked us on a red eye to Dallas and a flight to our final destination 11 hours later. We had to demand hotel and meal vouchers because the gate agents didn’t want to issue them. We are stuck with a $60 cab fare tab because the agents insisted the hotels had shuttle service even though I told them I called the hotel and they didn’t. We finally got home a day late but 2 of our 3 checked bags did not. I’d say American is the worst but they are all bad. Warren Buffet owns 9 % of the shares in each airline and he calls the shots along with other shareholders.

For every "maxed out 777 captain" making 400k a year, there are still people stuck as FOs on narrowbodies that got screwed over back from the days of the TWA merger and then the post 9/11 global aviation slowdown. There will be pilots who retire as FOs, and more who will be flying reserve or low seniority rigs as relatively junior captains into what should be their golden years. People underestimate the long-lasting effects the early 2000s had on industry.

Having worked for AA for over 20 years and a current ExP on AA for several years, I can tell you the flight attendants always got the leftovers and the pilots always got the lion's share. Low level management, airport agents, baggage / ramp, res agents did even worse. I support all other AA workers with the exception of Sr. Management and Pilots who seemed to rip off the other labor groups.

@Sean is right on. The seniority system cuts two ways and the entire labor system is built on seniority. It's good when you get to the top but unless your timing is perfect it takes a while to get there and the you aren't there for long before you have to retire. And if your airline goes belly up then you get to start all over at the bottom working for peanuts.

I don't work for the airlines and I'm glad I can move to a new company without starting over at the bottom.

No clue how you'd ever change the seniority system, which I think exacerbates labor negotiations.

I'm just going to save time and hand out raises later this year

Two points: Delta flight attendants desperately need and want a union AND Southwest's recent trouble reflects the real relationship they have with the company (not good). The truly chauvinistic attitude of airline management REQUIRES that a union be present for the protection of the employees. Flight attendant management is absolutely abysmal, you wouldn't believe the stories I could tell after 40 years in the industry.

I’m not sure if this is related, and I really hope it’s nothing to do with the negotiations, but I just flew American for the first time in a long time (redeemer AAdvantage miles for a quick trip in Y, LHR-JFK last week and JFK-LHR earlier today), and my experience on the return to LHR was simply embarrassing (for the airline, not me). All IFE screens (both in-seat and the bulkhead map ones), usb plugs, power outlets, and reading lights in Y were disabled for the entirety of the flight. Any questions about whether it would be turned on were met with nonsensical answers like “what seat are you in? 27D? Ok, let me reset yours and see if that works”. Pretty sure it’s not possible to reset just one seat. No announcement was ever made to so much as mention the problem, let alone apologize for it. I’m planning to write to AA to complain about this (though there’s no way this entitles anyone to any sort of compensation, right?). Again, I hope this is not the case - cause if it is, well, I have no words - but could it be something to do with contract negotiations, like that TAP crew not serving meals in one of Lucky’s trip reports from some time ago?